RE: Alfa 4C UK price announced

[Kolbenkopp]

loudlashadjuster said:

I believe the 2.5 Nissan VQ is still in production, to be found in sundry Latin American and Japanese Renaults and Nissans.

Yup, there's even a 170 bhp 2.3l version they put in that Renault Samsung SM7 thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VQ_engine#VQ23...
More interesting perhaps the Toyota 4GRFSE http://www.mr2.com/files/mr2/techinfo/Random%20FSM... that is still available in the Lexus 250 apparently.

[GTRene]

or the 'new' Ford 3.7 out of those transversely engined Fords like the Ford Edge Sport 3.7, given 305 NA hp would be nice in the back of such Alfa.

tucked up in the front in that edge would be nice to see something like that in the back of such 4c





http://gtcarlot.com/data/Ford/Edge/2013/61965747/E...

http://www.jbcarpages.com/ford/edge/2008/pictures/...

Edited by GTRene on Saturday 21st September 13:58

[Kolbenkopp]

Well not quite sure the Ford unit will fit, at lest not out of the box . OTOH, the 4C rear sub-frame does look fairly spacious for an 1750 cc I4...


http://wp10923399.server-he.de/coppermine/thumbnai...

[V6Alfisti]

Kolbenkopp said:

Well not quite sure the Ford unit will fit, at lest not out of the box . OTOH, the 4C rear sub-frame does look fairly spacious for an 1750 cc I4...


http://wp10923399.server-he.de/coppermine/thumbnai...

I believe it was engineered for a potential Maserati version with a V6 tucked in there, although I had read that Maserati might be rethinking...

[GTRene]

more space than I thought it had...nice.
and indeed a Maserati V6 would be nice too, I just saw its a biturbo V6 with 404hp

if they drop that biturbo system which also saves some weight and heat, I guess there would still be enough power for the 4c (or 6c) to get out that engine NA.

said:

The V6 twin-turbo engine has 404 hp at 5,500 rpm and 406 lb.-ft. torque between 1,500-5,000 rpm. In normal mode, torque is smoothed at 369 lb.-ft. in the lower rpm range.

The engine shares the V8’s bore and combustion chamber design, valve control technology, twin turbos, direct injection-ignition system, and auxiliaries (alternator, starter motor, and power-steering pump); the oil pump is similar. The V6 revs to a 6,500-rpm maximum speed, and delivers its torque level 500 rpm sooner than the V8.

[kambites]

If they ever put the V6 in, I hope they can get it to rev a bit better than that. a 6500rpm red-line is rather pathetic.

It doesn't look like that engine would be much fun to work on if installed transversely in the back of the Alfa. It would also sit right over the rear axle line, which would make balancing the handling interesting. I wonder if they might attempt to get it in longitudinally - it would require an interesting gearbox design but it might be possible.

Edited by kambites on Saturday 21st September 16:07

[GTRene]

kambites said:

I wonder if they might attempt to get it in longitudinally - it would require an interesting gearbox design but it might be possible.

that would be indeed way better (longitudinally), although you would probably loose the rear trunk then, but maybe they can make to small ones each side from behind the rear wheels

but I guess they save that for the 6c or maserati sports car...
they then only need a new somewhat longer rear/wheelbase but that not such problem with that type of build car.

saw some nice drawings how such car might look like...I like those>




http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/maserati/35732/masera...

[Axionknight]

That maser looks amazing.

Reference the 4C - props to Alfa for building it though, it's nice to see a focus on weight (or in this case, the lack of it) in a modern car when most just seem to be getting fatter.

I want one so badly it hurts but being sensible I'd have very little, if any use for such a car, I currently run a RS200 Clio cup as a second car for fun (going to try a few track days soon enough) so I suppose I'll have to stick with that, my missus would kill me if I spent money like this thing costs on a toy.

[loudlashadjuster]

Doesn't take much to turn the ugly duckling into the belle of the ball, does it?

With a GranTurismo-lite front and rear as per those mockups the 4C would go from being nice-but-omg-those-lights to straight-up stunning.