RE: BMW M135i vs used Porsche 911 Carrera
Discussion
ant leigh said:
Wolands Advocate said:
Dblue said:
nickfrog said:
Shurv said:
If you look at the 1st year depreciation on a 135i, it'd cover for a full engine rebuild on the 911
Hartech charge £6-7K for that. Would you kindly point me in the direction of 1 year M135i for around £20k, as they were £26k/£27k after discount, thanks a lot.And in 2 years time they'll be £18-19k retail.
The 997 will still be the same price. Much cheaper in reality even if the engine blows up.
And back to basics in standard guise? Tell me what it lacks that is typically standard on a £30k German car?
Or have I misread that?
So, if you splashed out £33k on a new M135i, a £26k part-ex a year later is a £7k loss, which is 20% depreciation and sounds about right for the first year.
Wow, could someone close the window and put the heating on please, after reading the last couple of pages of comments it seems to have got a bit 'icy' in here!
Both cars are excellent and (IMO) would appeal to similar people but for different reasons. I previously owned a 130MSport, it was frikken awesome. At the time I chose it over a Boxster S as my work, at the time, required me to vist clients at thier homes and turning up in what most punters would percieve to be a 'flash' car would not have got us off on the right foot. At the time, and as said, it was brilliant, amply fast for a hatchback and very theatrical when I wanted it to be. I cant ever recall though thinking it needed more power. I hardly ever used the rear doors, except for my briefcasse/lap top etc.
Now I dont need to visit clients, I have a 996 C4S Convertible, just because I wanted to treat myself. I love it, but then I loved the bimmer too, because they are both very well screwed together machines and thats all there is too it.
BTW, bought my 996 for a shade under £10k so I guess I could go out and buy a used 130 (or maybe older 135), keep a slush fund of £3-4k for any unexpected bills and still have change out of what I would have to pay for a new 135M. I think thats called eating one's cake and still having it
Both cars are excellent and (IMO) would appeal to similar people but for different reasons. I previously owned a 130MSport, it was frikken awesome. At the time I chose it over a Boxster S as my work, at the time, required me to vist clients at thier homes and turning up in what most punters would percieve to be a 'flash' car would not have got us off on the right foot. At the time, and as said, it was brilliant, amply fast for a hatchback and very theatrical when I wanted it to be. I cant ever recall though thinking it needed more power. I hardly ever used the rear doors, except for my briefcasse/lap top etc.
Now I dont need to visit clients, I have a 996 C4S Convertible, just because I wanted to treat myself. I love it, but then I loved the bimmer too, because they are both very well screwed together machines and thats all there is too it.
BTW, bought my 996 for a shade under £10k so I guess I could go out and buy a used 130 (or maybe older 135), keep a slush fund of £3-4k for any unexpected bills and still have change out of what I would have to pay for a new 135M. I think thats called eating one's cake and still having it
Edited by LordPetroleum on Monday 30th September 19:30
Edited by LordPetroleum on Monday 30th September 19:31
The point about the pogoing and vague front end is worrying. There have been a number of posts recently about this very subject. 996T dull, another one today about a 997 being odd dynamically; nervous dead centre with off centre dynamics. Another chap, the pits, who has always gone against the grain, found they way they drive flawed and irritating.
Is it simply overlooked?
Genuinely interested.
Is it simply overlooked?
Genuinely interested.
Edited by torres del paine on Monday 30th September 21:01
auyt said:
This question defies logic the 911any time, a ffriend had a 6 month, 5,000 mile BMW 135! drop a main bearing he demanded his money back and under new Australian Warranty laws got it but not without lots of arguish.
This can happen with any make and model, and Porsches are decidedly not immune to it!Wolands Advocate said:
You can get about £4k off a new M135i if you haggle hard. A well-optioned 5dr is therefore still around £33-35k new post-discount, depending on whether it's an auto or a manual. So comparing it to a bog-standard 3dr for £26-27k (post-discount) isn't particularly relevant.
I agree. However if you read what was posted that is what you did do. 
ant leigh said:
Wolands Advocate said:
You can get about £4k off a new M135i if you haggle hard. A well-optioned 5dr is therefore still around £33-35k new post-discount, depending on whether it's an auto or a manual. So comparing it to a bog-standard 3dr for £26-27k (post-discount) isn't particularly relevant.
I agree. However if you read what was posted that is what you did do. Wolands Advocate said:
ant leigh said:
Wolands Advocate said:
You can get about £4k off a new M135i if you haggle hard. A well-optioned 5dr is therefore still around £33-35k new post-discount, depending on whether it's an auto or a manual. So comparing it to a bog-standard 3dr for £26-27k (post-discount) isn't particularly relevant.
I agree. However if you read what was posted that is what you did do. Dblue stated that would give you a 1 year depreciation to around 20k (eg more than the cost of an engine rebuild for the Porsche)
You entered the debate by stating that you would get 27/30k for a second hand trade in.
I got
Wolands Advocate said:
auyt said:
This question defies logic the 911any time, a ffriend had a 6 month, 5,000 mile BMW 135! drop a main bearing he demanded his money back and under new Australian Warranty laws got it but not without lots of arguish.
This can happen with any make and model, and Porsches are decidedly not immune to it!I actually had a good look at the front of a 1 series the other day. I'd seen them on the road, and thought it actually looked ok - odd, but likeable.
Christ almighty I was wrong. That front bumper looks like a burn victim. I looks cheap. It reminded me immediately of those BMW fronts people would put onto their 90s Vauxhall coupes (whatever they were called). Could never, ever have one because of that. You know the facelift will look miles better, and the 1st gens will become un-sellable.
Saving for a GTS, as someone said, is the best option if you want a 997. They're the last of the greats. I'm fascinated to see what the values of 997.2 3.8 gt3s do as well... Affordable right now, just... Double in 10 years?
Christ almighty I was wrong. That front bumper looks like a burn victim. I looks cheap. It reminded me immediately of those BMW fronts people would put onto their 90s Vauxhall coupes (whatever they were called). Could never, ever have one because of that. You know the facelift will look miles better, and the 1st gens will become un-sellable.
Saving for a GTS, as someone said, is the best option if you want a 997. They're the last of the greats. I'm fascinated to see what the values of 997.2 3.8 gt3s do as well... Affordable right now, just... Double in 10 years?
Wolands Advocate said:
Yes, for a 5dr with nav, if you read my post. Not spotting the confusion myself.
You entered a debate about the price and second hand price of a basic M135i by quoting the second hand price of an entirely different and much higher spec M135i, except you didnt mention until later that you were actually talking about a randomly different spec and therefore making a pointless comparison.
You then stated that it isn't helpful comparing different spec levels, which was exactly what you had done.
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