RE: BMW M135i vs used Porsche 911 Carrera

[buggalugs]

anonymous said:

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Yeah I get what you're saying, it's efficiency vs experience. i.e. efficiency as in walloping you up the road with no drama and no polar bears harmed in the process, vs experience as in the sound, feedback and excitement of a more basic engine.

I haven't driven an M135i sadly but I imagine it feels a lot like a big electric motor...

[Devil2575]

buggalugs said:

I haven't driven an M135i sadly but I imagine it feels a lot like a big electric motor...

So why comment when you can't actually back up your comment with any actual experience?

[Wolands Advocate]

You can have one. But you also have to insure, service, fuel and generally run the thing.

I had an M5 V10 on the same premise as your 997 Turbo argument. It was an exercise in wanton immolation of large heaps of hard-earned cash.

[Wolands Advocate]

Dblue said:

nickfrog said:

Shurv said:

If you look at the 1st year depreciation on a 135i, it'd cover for a full engine rebuild on the 911

Hartech charge £6-7K for that. Would you kindly point me in the direction of 1 year M135i for around £20k, as they were £26k/£27k after discount, thanks a lot.

That would be about right as a trade in price for a 12k mile car I would think, just £3k or £4k more retail. And that £26k price is for a truly back to basic spec car. Whilst you may think its reasonable, every time I look at the list of options on the PH Car I cant believe that a lot of that stuff doesn't come standard on a top of the range 1 Series.
And in 2 years time they'll be £18-19k retail.

The 997 will still be the same price. Much cheaper in reality even if the engine blows up.

The guides suggest that a year old 5dr with nav and 10k up will be part-exchangeable at £26k and would retail for the thick end of £30k still at a franchised dealer.

And back to basics in standard guise? Tell me what it lacks that is typically standard on a £30k German car?

[ant leigh]

Wolands Advocate said:

Dblue said:

nickfrog said:

Shurv said:

If you look at the 1st year depreciation on a 135i, it'd cover for a full engine rebuild on the 911

Hartech charge £6-7K for that. Would you kindly point me in the direction of 1 year M135i for around £20k, as they were £26k/£27k after discount, thanks a lot.

That would be about right as a trade in price for a 12k mile car I would think, just £3k or £4k more retail. And that £26k price is for a truly back to basic spec car. Whilst you may think its reasonable, every time I look at the list of options on the PH Car I cant believe that a lot of that stuff doesn't come standard on a top of the range 1 Series.
And in 2 years time they'll be £18-19k retail.

The 997 will still be the same price. Much cheaper in reality even if the engine blows up.

The guides suggest that a year old 5dr with nav and 10k up will be part-exchangeable at £26k and would retail for the thick end of £30k still at a franchised dealer.

And back to basics in standard guise? Tell me what it lacks that is typically standard on a £30k German car?

Are you all claiming that a new 135i can be had f0r 26/27k after discounts, but that the value of a second hand 135i is 27/30k?
Or have I misread that?

[Dblue]

ant leigh said:

Wolands Advocate said:

Dblue said:

nickfrog said:

Shurv said:

If you look at the 1st year depreciation on a 135i, it'd cover for a full engine rebuild on the 911

Hartech charge £6-7K for that. Would you kindly point me in the direction of 1 year M135i for around £20k, as they were £26k/£27k after discount, thanks a lot.

That would be about right as a trade in price for a 12k mile car I would think, just £3k or £4k more retail. And that £26k price is for a truly back to basic spec car. Whilst you may think its reasonable, every time I look at the list of options on the PH Car I cant believe that a lot of that stuff doesn't come standard on a top of the range 1 Series.
And in 2 years time they'll be £18-19k retail.

The 997 will still be the same price. Much cheaper in reality even if the engine blows up.

The guides suggest that a year old 5dr with nav and 10k up will be part-exchangeable at £26k and would retail for the thick end of £30k still at a franchised dealer.

And back to basics in standard guise? Tell me what it lacks that is typically standard on a £30k German car?

Are you all claiming that a new 135i can be had f0r 26/27k after discounts, but that the value of a second hand 135i is 27/30k?
Or have I misread that?

Quite.

Think you might find the actual trade in offers you get deeply disappointing, especially if your car is heavily optioned. As they are apparently being discounted substantially when new.

And a Golf SE has DAB Radio, Cruise, Front and rear parking sensors and climate control standard for half the price.

[aki1987]

.... I think I would add that the 911 has been my dream car for years but I don't think the M135i will be a dreamt about car!

These two cars are made for different purposes though, and I'm sure you can't go wrong in either

[nickfrog]

Dblue said:

nickfrog said:

Shurv said:

If you look at the 1st year depreciation on a 135i, it'd cover for a full engine rebuild on the 911

Hartech charge £6-7K for that. Would you kindly point me in the direction of 1 year M135i for around £20k, as they were £26k/£27k after discount, thanks a lot.

That would be about right as a trade in price for a 12k mile car I would think, just £3k or £4k more retail. And that £26k price is for a truly back to basic spec car. Whilst you may think its reasonable, every time I look at the list of options on the PH Car I cant believe that a lot of that stuff doesn't come standard on a top of the range 1 Series.
And in 2 years time they'll be £18-19k retail.

The 997 will still be the same price. Much cheaper in reality even if the engine blows up.

Fair comment, although:

- I buy retail not trade.
- I sell privately not trade-in.
- One should look at depreciation over more than 1 year surely
- It's very well equipped even w/o options. Xenons/leather/4-pot calipers/Mich SS are all std. My spec would have been £26,687 after discount a year ago (that's in white, manual, 3-dr, sensors, cruise, 5 year servicing). I am struggling to find that very car today for £20k even with 12k miles, unfortunately.

[Dblue]

nickfrog said:

Dblue said:

nickfrog said:

Shurv said:

If you look at the 1st year depreciation on a 135i, it'd cover for a full engine rebuild on the 911

Hartech charge £6-7K for that. Would you kindly point me in the direction of 1 year M135i for around £20k, as they were £26k/£27k after discount, thanks a lot.

That would be about right as a trade in price for a 12k mile car I would think, just £3k or £4k more retail. And that £26k price is for a truly back to basic spec car. Whilst you may think its reasonable, every time I look at the list of options on the PH Car I cant believe that a lot of that stuff doesn't come standard on a top of the range 1 Series.
And in 2 years time they'll be £18-19k retail.

The 997 will still be the same price. Much cheaper in reality even if the engine blows up.

Fair comment, although:

- I buy retail not trade.
- I sell privately not trade-in.
- One should look at depreciation over more than 1 year surely
- It's very well equipped even w/o options. Xenons/leather/4-pot calipers/Mich SS are all std. My spec would have been £26,687 after discount a year ago (that's in white, manual, 3-dr, sensors, cruise, 5 year servicing). I am struggling to find that very car today for £20k even with 12k miles, unfortunately.

Fair point Nick, Good luck with the search. They are excellent cars and I don't think in all seriousness a 911 is really anything like as versatile.

[aki1987]

BMW seems to keep its value well for a while, then at certain age it plummets it seems. The last BMW I had lost almost half its value in a year!

[nickfrog]

Dblue said:

Fair point Nick, Good luck with the search. They are excellent cars and I don't think in all seriousness a 911 is really anything like as versatile.

Maybe if I had bought the bl00dy thing then I wouldn't be moaning now !

[Vladimir]

Cmoose is so damned hardcore he sleeps in his driving gloves and has Jenson and Lewis on speed dial.
He has petrol on his Weetabix and nitrous laced coffee.

Don't even think about doubting this legend; he's done it all and driven everything. Even Röhrl calls him for advice.

[Actus Reus]

Tomorrow on Pistonheads - a jolly good fortnight in a posh hotel with a high class hooker, or a BMW 135i and on Wednesday, Which would you rather have? A BMW 135i vs. a new kitchen for the wife.

[buggalugs]

Devil2575 said:

buggalugs said:

I haven't driven an M135i sadly but I imagine it feels a lot like a big electric motor...

So why comment when you can't actually back up your comment with any actual experience?

Easy tiger. I've driven a fair few BMW 6's, and a few electric cars, and I would draw the comparison that the quieter and more linear they are more they feel like an electric motor. It's a fair statement, yes?

[V8 FOU]

Whatever happened to the "335d (remapped) that my mate has that's faster than anything"?

[Vladimir]

anonymous said:

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Driving god, car knowledge legend, grammatical amateur.

[Devil2575]

buggalugs said:

Devil2575 said:

buggalugs said:

I haven't driven an M135i sadly but I imagine it feels a lot like a big electric motor...

So why comment when you can't actually back up your comment with any actual experience?

Easy tiger. I've driven a fair few BMW 6's, and a few electric cars, and I would draw the comparison that the quieter and more linear they are more they feel like an electric motor. It's a fair statement, yes?

I've never driven an electric car. I've driven a few BMW 6s.

I've never heard anyone describe driving any petrol engined car as a lot like a big electric motor.

The problem with these threads is that most of the comments are from people with no actual experience of what they are talking about.

[Vladimir]

anonymous said:

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It's best if you leave others to reserve judgement on that one. You stick to knowing everything possible about every car ever released.

[Zad]

Put the handbags away please.

[buggalugs]

Devil2575 said:

buggalugs said:

Devil2575 said:

buggalugs said:

I haven't driven an M135i sadly but I imagine it feels a lot like a big electric motor...

So why comment when you can't actually back up your comment with any actual experience?

Easy tiger. I've driven a fair few BMW 6's, and a few electric cars, and I would draw the comparison that the quieter and more linear they are more they feel like an electric motor. It's a fair statement, yes?

I've never driven an electric car. I've driven a few BMW 6s.

I've never heard anyone describe driving any petrol engined car as a lot like a big electric motor.

The problem with these threads is that most of the comments are from people with no actual experience of what they are talking about.

Well when you've driven a few electric cars you will be in a position to make comment, but until then maybe leave it to those who have?