RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S: UK drive
Discussion
£140k seems obscene until you play with the Bank of England's inflation calculator and realise that every Turbo throughout the years has cost today's equivalent (roughly) of £120-140k. Lest we forget, a decent Golf is north of £20k these days.
Not that this makes the upwards creep of prices excusable, of course.
Still think the car looks incredible. Porsche really have the 991 generation nailed, I can see where all those Cayenne profits are being spent!
Not that this makes the upwards creep of prices excusable, of course.
Still think the car looks incredible. Porsche really have the 991 generation nailed, I can see where all those Cayenne profits are being spent!
The issue for turbos has always been much higher levels of depreciation - both in absolute and percentage terms - and I doubt this will be any different. My 997 turbo has halved in value and has not yet hit 20k miles. The other issue is driver involvement or lack of it. It's good to hear this one may be different but mine doesn't come into its own until well over the legal speed limit.
delays said:
£140k seems obscene until you play with the Bank of England's inflation calculator and realise that every Turbo throughout the years has cost today's equivalent (roughly) of £120-140k. Lest we forget, a decent Golf is north of £20k these days.
Not that this makes the upwards creep of prices excusable, of course.
Still think the car looks incredible. Porsche really have the 991 generation nailed, I can see where all those Cayenne profits are being spent!
Yes, the upward creep of pricing is annoying. I was lucky enough to buy a new 997 Turbo S cab in late 2010 and three years later the new one is going to be 12-15% more expensive with options. The pound had already tanked against the euro by then, so it can't be that and you can bet that Porsche has some internal target to make the build costs of every 991 x% lower than the equivalent 997 so I don't believe they are doing anything other than pricing to see what the market will stand. If nobody bites, they will have some room for discount and they certainly had to do that to shift the early 991 cars. Only time will tell, I suppose.Not that this makes the upwards creep of prices excusable, of course.
Still think the car looks incredible. Porsche really have the 991 generation nailed, I can see where all those Cayenne profits are being spent!
LuS1fer said:
In an age when the new Ferraris seem almost too technical, too fast and too expensive, this seems like a good car, capable of much the same thing, at a reasonably sensible price. Not that such prices have any reality for people like me but I can say that I would like this car and have never ever coveted a GTR.
Probably end up buying one of these at some stage. The high price will be forgotten soon, but the greatness of the car will be enjoyed for ever. to quote
"Turbo S is very broad around the hips, wider than the old car and yet to drive it feels narrower because of this new steering system. I think it's a complete revelation and especially useful for the narrow roads we have in the UK. "
how does rear steering make it better on uk B roads ?, a tractor coming the other way, or for that matter another 911 Turbo, rear steering is not going to make the road wider to let each pass !!!!
o well, it's fast and it's expensive, so it will sell well.
"Turbo S is very broad around the hips, wider than the old car and yet to drive it feels narrower because of this new steering system. I think it's a complete revelation and especially useful for the narrow roads we have in the UK. "
how does rear steering make it better on uk B roads ?, a tractor coming the other way, or for that matter another 911 Turbo, rear steering is not going to make the road wider to let each pass !!!!
o well, it's fast and it's expensive, so it will sell well.
I used to really like the 911 Turbo but it really has got rather ugly these days.
On the other hand the latest Boxster has really grown up now and looks great, better than ever I think.
So Porsche have pushed the 911 into the GT camp more, made it a bit ugly, and left the Boxster and Cayman a place to take up their super-sports car mantle?!
I can see a Boxster or Cayman Turbo model in the coming years that really goes for that mid-range super sports car type market again, rather than moving the 911 into what seems like SL/XK/6 series type territory.
Dave
On the other hand the latest Boxster has really grown up now and looks great, better than ever I think.
So Porsche have pushed the 911 into the GT camp more, made it a bit ugly, and left the Boxster and Cayman a place to take up their super-sports car mantle?!
I can see a Boxster or Cayman Turbo model in the coming years that really goes for that mid-range super sports car type market again, rather than moving the 911 into what seems like SL/XK/6 series type territory.
Dave
toppstuff said:
At the price levels this Porsche is reaching, I would find it impossible not to get a barely used McLaren 12C for the same money. Unless some rear seats are essential, of course, in which case the Porsche is in a class of one for your £150k.
DBS?Conti GT?
Not 100% familiar with current pricing, but they can't be far off.
The Porsche may be the fastest all weather car for the money, but its just not special enough, compared to the above, and others.
disco666 said:
DBS?
Conti GT?
Not 100% familiar with current pricing, but they can't be far off.
The Porsche may be the fastest all weather car for the money, but its just not special enough, compared to the above, and others.
Good point. Well made.Conti GT?
Not 100% familiar with current pricing, but they can't be far off.
The Porsche may be the fastest all weather car for the money, but its just not special enough, compared to the above, and others.
A Conti Speed is a very different kind of car, but you would definitely feel you were getting more value for your money. Aston too.
king sdisco666 said:
toppstuff said:
At the price levels this Porsche is reaching, I would find it impossible not to get a barely used McLaren 12C for the same money. Unless some rear seats are essential, of course, in which case the Porsche is in a class of one for your £150k.
DBS?Conti GT?
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The DBS can now be had from around £80k with manual, NA V12 and +2 seating - more of a GT but so much more special than any 911.
The GT3 seems the pick of the 991 range to me for road & track! - unless you need 4wd & +2 seating - and warp factor 9 without trying!
Another good write up Mr Harris. The car looks stunning, but I can't help but feel the new generation of 911's all look a bit too big. The price is high as well but it's doubtful that anything at around that price would be much faster on normal roads, and for some it is the only option, as it does so much so well.
O/T:
The comment about using the inflation calculator to see what each generation cost in relation to current values, was illuminating, especially the bit about decent golfs costing 20k+ apparently the MK1 gti cost the equivalent of 26,334 in 1975!
O/T:
The comment about using the inflation calculator to see what each generation cost in relation to current values, was illuminating, especially the bit about decent golfs costing 20k+ apparently the MK1 gti cost the equivalent of 26,334 in 1975!
Lovely looking thing, no doubt it shifts too! I struggle to think of the 911 as a "supercar" though. More of a sports car you can use every day. But I'd struggle to justify owning one of these for anything other than bragging rights. I just don't think you could exploit the performance very often, and how many people will actually track one?
Edited by framerateuk on Monday 7th October 16:42
Very capable car, probably too efficient and quick for its own good. True nuclear detachment for sure! The main photo in blue does rather make it look like a look like a Cayman though.....
Definitely too expensive and will tank like previous turbines when the glitter wears off. GT3 is more appealing and expensive enough.
Love 911s but would prefer a lightly used 458 or Mc for that money.
Definitely too expensive and will tank like previous turbines when the glitter wears off. GT3 is more appealing and expensive enough.
Love 911s but would prefer a lightly used 458 or Mc for that money.
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