RE: Aston Martin V12 Vantage S: Review
Discussion
Californian said:
(at 12:05 he equally casually talks about DB3S having completely new body done!!!)
Not watched the vid yet but this is probably Salvadori's car. I was at Works Service a few months ago on the Feltham tour and we were staggered at the amount of metal they are happy to replace when doing a renovation. One DB6 we were looking at was effectively new from the waistline down yet the older metal looked perfectly usable. Some of us were shocked that there was little attempt to preserve the originality of the car. RichB said:
Some of us were shocked that there was little attempt to preserve the originality of the car.
Yeah, it was gut wrenching a bit, similar things were done by Pininfarina/Ferrari for Glickenhaus thoughWell I guess if it's: done at Aston Martin Works - it's original enough ©
Yet fitting DB2 with power steering is a bit too much in my book ....
V8LM said:
I can't see how having Aston Works modify a car makes it more or less original than anyone else doing it.
The V12 Vanquish/S is a lot easier to put a pedal and stick in than a V12VS would be, as it already has the clutch and H-gate box (not that I would want to).
Well Works is no longer owned by AML so that makes it less original?The V12 Vanquish/S is a lot easier to put a pedal and stick in than a V12VS would be, as it already has the clutch and H-gate box (not that I would want to).
The VH2 platform the V12VS is built on is already preconfigured to take a manual box and a down grade to the V12V box would be straight forward (if that's what you want)
V8LM said:
mikey k said:
Well Works is no longer owned by AML so that makes it less original?
Not what I said. The originality of a car following post sale modification or restoration doesn't depend on who did it.Some back street "restorer" vs a reputable workshop with decades of experience & expertise on that car?
There seem to be quite a few confused people on here
Firstly, (original) Vanquish and the new V12VS both have an automated manual single clutch box so the difficulty in conversion is similar. DBS flappy paddle is actually a torque convertor automatic so much more difficult & therefore expensive to convert
Secondly, as someone who has driven the new V12VS, I disagree entirely with the negative reviews in the car press about the gearbox - it's actually brilliantly executed, with none of the flaws the Vanquish box had.
Thirdly, much of the performance increase comes about from the new gearbox, many of which would be lost with a manual. Whilst you would get the extra 50 or so bhp and a few new cosmetics, you'd be better (and far cheaper) buying a manual V12V and paying someone like BR to liberate an extra 50 bhp than doing a manual conversion on a V12VS
And finally, works has been hived off as a corporate entity from AML but is ultimately owned by the same people. The right customer with the right pockets (and promises of discretion) may be able to persuade them to do a conversion but it would not be easy and for the reasons stated above, not very sensible either
Firstly, (original) Vanquish and the new V12VS both have an automated manual single clutch box so the difficulty in conversion is similar. DBS flappy paddle is actually a torque convertor automatic so much more difficult & therefore expensive to convert
Secondly, as someone who has driven the new V12VS, I disagree entirely with the negative reviews in the car press about the gearbox - it's actually brilliantly executed, with none of the flaws the Vanquish box had.
Thirdly, much of the performance increase comes about from the new gearbox, many of which would be lost with a manual. Whilst you would get the extra 50 or so bhp and a few new cosmetics, you'd be better (and far cheaper) buying a manual V12V and paying someone like BR to liberate an extra 50 bhp than doing a manual conversion on a V12VS
And finally, works has been hived off as a corporate entity from AML but is ultimately owned by the same people. The right customer with the right pockets (and promises of discretion) may be able to persuade them to do a conversion but it would not be easy and for the reasons stated above, not very sensible either
jonby said:
There seem to be quite a few confused people on here
Firstly, (original) Vanquish and the new V12VS both have an automated manual single clutch box so the difficulty in conversion is similar. DBS flappy paddle is actually a torque convertor automatic so much more difficult & therefore expensive to convert
Secondly, as someone who has driven the new V12VS, I disagree entirely with the negative reviews in the car press about the gearbox - it's actually brilliantly executed, with none of the flaws the Vanquish box had.
Thirdly, much of the performance increase comes about from the new gearbox, many of which would be lost with a manual. Whilst you would get the extra 50 or so bhp and a few new cosmetics, you'd be better (and far cheaper) buying a manual V12V and paying someone like BR to liberate an extra 50 bhp than doing a manual conversion on a V12VS
And finally, works has been hived off as a corporate entity from AML but is ultimately owned by the same people. The right customer with the right pockets (and promises of discretion) may be able to persuade them to do a conversion but it would not be easy and for the reasons stated above, not very sensible either
Firstly, (original) Vanquish and the new V12VS both have an automated manual single clutch box so the difficulty in conversion is similar. DBS flappy paddle is actually a torque convertor automatic so much more difficult & therefore expensive to convert
Secondly, as someone who has driven the new V12VS, I disagree entirely with the negative reviews in the car press about the gearbox - it's actually brilliantly executed, with none of the flaws the Vanquish box had.
Thirdly, much of the performance increase comes about from the new gearbox, many of which would be lost with a manual. Whilst you would get the extra 50 or so bhp and a few new cosmetics, you'd be better (and far cheaper) buying a manual V12V and paying someone like BR to liberate an extra 50 bhp than doing a manual conversion on a V12VS
And finally, works has been hived off as a corporate entity from AML but is ultimately owned by the same people. The right customer with the right pockets (and promises of discretion) may be able to persuade them to do a conversion but it would not be easy and for the reasons stated above, not very sensible either
put better than I 
It seems that the motoring press still can't get their collective heads around the concept of the Automated Manual Gearbox. It's NOT an automatic! Gearchanges using the paddles require the same slight lift of the throttle as a traditional manual. I have a SSII on my V8VS and it took a little getting used to but once mastered it's superior in almost every way to the manual gearbox in my last 4.3 V8V!
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