RE: VW Golf GTI vs BMW M135i vs Mercedes A45 AMG

[loudlashadjuster]

PunterCam said:

Automatic? Is it not meant to be a hot hatch?? I'm confused... Automatics are for old people and luxury saloons

Don't know which island you've been castaway on these past few years but this ZF isn't exactly an old 4-speed Merc slusher. Besides, it's not exactly uncommon for a modern fast car to offer only a two-pedal version.

[V8A*ndy]

BTW just to add.

Anyone contemplating an M135i purchase, make sure you add the performance exhaust.

Sounds epic.

[TNH]

So which car won? Or are you saying they are all good in different respects?

Its almost like a school sports day where "you're all winners"?

[kambites]

TNH said:

So which car won? Or are you saying they are all good in different respects?

Its almost like a school sports day where "you're all winners"?

So which one is the fat kid who couldn't even make it to the end of the egg-and-spoon race?

[Emeye]

The A class looks like a Korean hatch - dreadful styling. Of-course it is all subjective, but I really like the 1 series - Since the Mk5, IMO I think the Golf has gone downhill exterior style wise, but the interior has improved!

Golf Gti is the only car I've ever had that EVERYONE liked - no one had a bad word to say about it - if you want to (try and) pull women get a Golf Gti.

Edited by Emeye on Tuesday 29th October 06:29

[Oddball RS]

Krikkit said:

kambites said:

Terminator X said:

CO2 not MPG

TX.

They're exactly the same thing, for a given fuel type. They don't even measure both on the test, IIRC - they measure one and then calculate the other from it.

Correct. They measure CO2 and calculate fuel consumption from that.

?????? so that's why MPG figures are so wide of the mark??

[Carnnoisseur]

loudlashadjuster said:

That is hilarious

[schaeffs]

What this comparo really shows is that with these three cars (and a few others out there) - those looking for a one car that almost does it all on a relatively modest budget for the enthusiast driver -- have never ever had it so good.

[Prawnboy]

the only way you could have made the comparison any duller was to have no verdict at all.....
......oh you did.

if 40K is the benchmark, i'll take the GTI and then spend the rest on a weekend car.

[tonicro]

if i were in the market for a car of this sort i think i would get me self a used impreza sti hatch or save even more money and get a megane cup with low miles...

[kambites]

Oddball RS said:

?????? so that's why MPG figures are so wide of the mark??

They're wide of the mark because the test isn't indicative of how the cars are used. The CO2 to MPG translation is very close to perfect - modern cars put out very little carbon monoxide or unburnt hydrocarbons and where else is the carbon from the petrol going to go?

[Lowtimer]

Oddball RS said:

?????? so that's why MPG figures are so wide of the mark??

No. They are both equally wide of the mark because the test cycle is hopelessly unrealistic.

[Rick1.8t]

Nothing to add except for my continued hate for the 1 series hatch - some young (im 28, he was about 21) pleb in a 116 clocked me coming into a roundabout 2 days ago and went from the left to the right lane just to tailgate me as close as possible. I wanted to pull into the left hand lane to get out of his way (dual carriageway) but he had decided he would swerve into it in an effort to undertake me, que 10 second mash on loud pedal and young plebs girlfriend pissing herself at his fail 1/4 mile later when he screamed past...

I know a lot of you guys are not from this area (your all southerners yes? ;-) ) where you don't seem to have these kind of turds but in the midlands 1 series hatch = young bloke who thinks he is 'it' car.

For me, Mercedes or Golf... always had a soft spot for the GTI and since the MK5 it seems to have delivered.

Edited by Rick1.8t on Monday 28th October 16:37

[Benbay001]

Rick1.8t said:

Nothing to add except for my continued hate for the 1 series hatch - some young (im 28, he was about 21) pleb in a 116 clocked me coming into a roundabout 2 days ago and went from the left to the right lane just to tailgate me as close as possible. I wanted to pull into the left hand lane to get out of his way (dual carriageway) but he had decided he would swerve into it in an effort to undertake me, que 10 second mash on loud pedal and young plebs girlfriend pissing herself at his fail 1/4 mile later when he screamed past...

I recon there is another side to that story. Its a shame we will never get to hear it

[HighwayStar]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Eh no... It doesn't. It just shows you what economy of scale is! GT86, bespoke floor pan. GTi, A45, M135i... All spun off platforms supporting a full range of cars!!!

[Axionknight]

Prawnboy said:

the only way you could have made the comparison any duller was to have no verdict at all.....
......oh you did.

if 40K is the benchmark, i'll take the GTI and then spend the rest on a weekend car.

Agreed, I'll take the GTI and cop for a Westfield or similar, that's a cracking idea.

[Tickle]

Axionknight said:

Agreed, I'll take the GTI and cop for a Westfield or similar, that's a cracking idea.

GTI + Caterham 160

[Msportman]

If it was me and if I had 38-40k to blow and wasn't worried about the outlay I'd probably take the Merc.
I've been a great believer in mechanical diffs as I've run many Quaiffes in FWD car's so experiencing the Golf at full chat mid bend with this new electronic diff will be interesting comparison to what I have known and experienced in the past. It is the one thing I'd retro fit to the M135.
As for Haldex 4WD I'm not convinced especially for track use where I'd be heading as in my experince even with a Haldex controller they are not ideal for track. I've experienced that horrible shuffling of power many times on track....after all it's not a pure 4WD experience.
From a value of money perspective if it was my money I'd choose the Golf and put an APR or Revo software to boost the power....I'm sure 300bhp will be achievable aka older Edition 30 /8P S3 / Golf R. It may not have the outright grunt of the A45 and a mapped M135 but even so with a 27k outlay and £500 remap it would be even more entertaining than stock but with a potential massive saving.

Edited by Msportman on Monday 28th October 19:20

[V8A*ndy]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

How come it's a lot cheaper in other markets around the world and I'm making a direct comparison with spun off platforms In those markets which are also a lot cheaper.

It's a GB thing. Even the motoring press expected 4-5k less.

[Shurv]

Get them whilst they're available for peanuts ( though a hopped up shopping car for £30 to £40k isn't really peanuts).The German economy is picking up and production will be switching back to the motherland.The German's have been dumping metal on the UK for a few years as our car market has been pretty good and it's been keeping their factories buzzing along. IMO, anyone who spends £40k on a hatchback needs their heads testing. The Golf is a decent looking car, but a bit boring, the other two are plain awful to look at. Time will be the test for these cars when the maintenance costs start biting the used car enthusiasts. They won't be so popular then.