Electric Car Repairs/Maintenance ?
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Technomatt said:
What you save on EV servicing, you lose big time on depreciation. They just tank.
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Your one year old electric car is completely worthless
In fact they are SO bad you will need to PAY people to take them away
But i am willing to take your Teslas, Nissian leafs or BMWs i3s for nothing
Because of the complexity,danger and diversity of each manufacturers systems and lack of working knowledge in the independent sector,
coupled with the manufacturers reluctance to divulge any technical data,software or testing procedures for their particular system,
Few if any independents will get involved in them and as they get more complex (as these thing tend to do)less and less will be possible without factory back up.
You will be tied to them for the cars life for any repairs.
In five years time your battery or motor will fail,
by then it will be obsolete and need replacing with a newer type plus half a dozen sundries and 3 days re-configuring to make it work properly at main dealer rates,which will steadily increase given no competition.
They have it,you need it,the price is what ever they want,fair or not.
Before you know it,factoring the cost of the car to start off with you may as well have swerved to work in John Dodds Beast.
coupled with the manufacturers reluctance to divulge any technical data,software or testing procedures for their particular system,
Few if any independents will get involved in them and as they get more complex (as these thing tend to do)less and less will be possible without factory back up.
You will be tied to them for the cars life for any repairs.
In five years time your battery or motor will fail,
by then it will be obsolete and need replacing with a newer type plus half a dozen sundries and 3 days re-configuring to make it work properly at main dealer rates,which will steadily increase given no competition.
They have it,you need it,the price is what ever they want,fair or not.
Before you know it,factoring the cost of the car to start off with you may as well have swerved to work in John Dodds Beast.
996TT02 said:
The impression is given that these cars are (suspension steering and wheels apart) almost maintenance free, or at least, very low cost.
What is being overlooked is the fact that the main battery pack won't last forever, and unless you are handy with a soldering iron and have plenty of time on your hands soldering (7000 was it?) 18650-type batteries to form a battery pack (Tesla) I feel confident that replacing this will more than make up for all the savings compared to IC engined cars.
Methinks.
Current traction batteries have cell blades that can be replaced, and a total refurb runs at about £400. Failure rates in 10 years are less than 1%, from the last time I looked into it.What is being overlooked is the fact that the main battery pack won't last forever, and unless you are handy with a soldering iron and have plenty of time on your hands soldering (7000 was it?) 18650-type batteries to form a battery pack (Tesla) I feel confident that replacing this will more than make up for all the savings compared to IC engined cars.
Methinks.
We are Renualt salesmen.....our word is our bond 
Meanwhile, back to reality and over in the USA:
"A new report from Kelley Blue Book (KBB) says the Nissan Leaf may depreciate more than first thought. The firm, a noted industry leader for used-car valuation, has dropped the 2013 Nissan Leaf's projected resale value several points compared to the 2012 model.
According to KBB, the 2013 Leaf will only retain 35 percent of its sticker price after three years.
KBB also says it's lowering the forecast because shoppers aren't embracing the Leaf's new technology"
Linky:
http://www.autotrader.com/research/article/car-new...
Meanwhile, back to reality and over in the USA:
"A new report from Kelley Blue Book (KBB) says the Nissan Leaf may depreciate more than first thought. The firm, a noted industry leader for used-car valuation, has dropped the 2013 Nissan Leaf's projected resale value several points compared to the 2012 model.
According to KBB, the 2013 Leaf will only retain 35 percent of its sticker price after three years.
KBB also says it's lowering the forecast because shoppers aren't embracing the Leaf's new technology"
Linky:
http://www.autotrader.com/research/article/car-new...
I think that 1% in 10 years is hard failures; it doesn't take into account loss of charge through "wear".
Most manufacturers seem to guarantee that the batteries will still hold a certain percentage of their new charge after a given period of time - for example I think for the i3, BMW guarantee at least 80% charge after 8 years or 100000 miles (whichever comes first). Of course how likely they are to fail shortly after that, is anyone's guess.
Most manufacturers seem to guarantee that the batteries will still hold a certain percentage of their new charge after a given period of time - for example I think for the i3, BMW guarantee at least 80% charge after 8 years or 100000 miles (whichever comes first). Of course how likely they are to fail shortly after that, is anyone's guess.
Technomatt said:
According to KBB, the 2013 Leaf will only retain 35 percent of its sticker price after three years.
About the same as a Micra then, which various different figures seem to put between 33 and 38%. Mind you that's a UK figure for the Micra, I've no idea how they do in the US; perhaps better?
ETA: Projections for the i3 seem to all be over 50%, which is on a par with other BMWs. I'd say there was no real difference between electric cars and petrol ones in terms of residuals.
Edited by kambites on Monday 4th November 19:07
kambites said:
I think that 1% in 10 years is hard failures; it doesn't take into account loss of charge through "wear".
Most manufacturers seem to guarantee that the batteries will still hold a certain percentage of their new charge after a given period of time - for example I think for the i3, BMW guarantee at least 80% charge after 8 years or 100000 miles (whichever comes first). Of course how likely they are to fail shortly after that, is anyone's guess.
How much would a new battery set be in 8-10ywars time?pattern parts too to bring down the cost - a battery cannot be closed protocol Most manufacturers seem to guarantee that the batteries will still hold a certain percentage of their new charge after a given period of time - for example I think for the i3, BMW guarantee at least 80% charge after 8 years or 100000 miles (whichever comes first). Of course how likely they are to fail shortly after that, is anyone's guess.
Welshbeef said:
How much would a new battery set be in 8-10ywars time?pattern parts too to bring down the cost - a battery cannot be closed protocol
Good question, but I doubt anyone knows the answer. I've ho idea what the scrap value of old battery packs will be either but I'd expect it to be non-trivial. How many cars last 8 years these days anyway? I suspect the answer is depressingly few.
The rather bizarre 'service' elements seem to highlight the clutching at straws by manufacturers to try and bring these vehicles into their hugely lucrative after sales revenue streams.
I'm sure that if you haven't had your tyre valves checked it will void your warranty etc.
Maybe it's one of the core issues behind getting many sellers to push them and why some manufacturers promote them more than others?
Sales have increased 2 to 3 fold year on year and the number of manufacturers is growing steadily so it will be an interesting development. Especially if i3 sales match expectations, which would be a first.
I'm sure that if you haven't had your tyre valves checked it will void your warranty etc.
Maybe it's one of the core issues behind getting many sellers to push them and why some manufacturers promote them more than others?
Sales have increased 2 to 3 fold year on year and the number of manufacturers is growing steadily so it will be an interesting development. Especially if i3 sales match expectations, which would be a first.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Monday 4th November 19:12
Technomatt said:
We are Renualt salesmen.....our word is our bond
Meanwhile, back to reality and over in the USA:
"A new report from Kelley Blue Book (KBB) says the Nissan Leaf may depreciate more than first thought. The firm, a noted industry leader for used-car valuation, has dropped the 2013 Nissan Leaf's projected resale value several points compared to the 2012 model.
According to KBB, the 2013 Leaf will only retain 35 percent of its sticker price after three years.
KBB also says it's lowering the forecast because shoppers aren't embracing the Leaf's new technology"
Linky:
http://www.autotrader.com/research/article/car-new...
Absolutely excellent newsMeanwhile, back to reality and over in the USA:
"A new report from Kelley Blue Book (KBB) says the Nissan Leaf may depreciate more than first thought. The firm, a noted industry leader for used-car valuation, has dropped the 2013 Nissan Leaf's projected resale value several points compared to the 2012 model.
According to KBB, the 2013 Leaf will only retain 35 percent of its sticker price after three years.
KBB also says it's lowering the forecast because shoppers aren't embracing the Leaf's new technology"
Linky:
http://www.autotrader.com/research/article/car-new...
The higher the depreciation the better
DonkeyApple said:
The rather bizarre 'service' elements seem to highlight the clutching at straws by manufacturers to try and bring these vehicles into their hugely lucrative after sales revenue streams.
I'm sure that if you haven't had your tyre valves checked it will void your warranty etc.
Maybe it's one of the core issues behind getting many sellers to push them?
It's an interesting point. As EV sales start to rise and "regular maintenance costs" fall, the value of main dealer franchises is inevitably going to fall, possibly quite dramatically. I'm sure that if you haven't had your tyre valves checked it will void your warranty etc.
Maybe it's one of the core issues behind getting many sellers to push them?
I love projected depreciation figure, the ones that promise a low mileage, serviced German thing for 38 percent of its new price at three years old, just try going into that VW dealer looking for that 3 year old R32 Golf for nine grand or the Merc dealer for that A class diesel for seven and you will be very dissapointed. My dad has just bought an MG6, at a year old, according to the guides he should be paid twelve grand to take it away.
kambites said:
Technomatt said:
According to KBB, the 2013 Leaf will only retain 35 percent of its sticker price after three years.
About the same as a Micra then, which various different figures seem to put between 33 and 38%. Mind you that's a UK figure for the Micra, I've no idea how they do in the US; perhaps better?
ETA: Projections for the i3 seem to all be over 50%, which is on a par with other BMWs. I'd say there was no real difference between electric cars and petrol ones in terms of residuals.
Edited by kambites on Monday 4th November 19:07
An equivalent USA Nissan like the Versa only depreciates by about 50% over 3 years.
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