Why bikers die

[supersingle]

Agreed.

[matchmaker]

GravelBen said:

EDLT said:

Actually, if a train hit a tank which one would win?

I expect the extra mass and momentum of the train would end up being the deciding factor - it may well derail the train and wreck that too, but the tank would be pretty well crunched by that stage.

This could be like the plane on the conveyor belt all over again!

It wouldn't be very good for either. Hixon Level Crossing, 1968. Express hits 120 ton transformer on crossing.

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/train-crash-1

11 dead on train

[Flatinfourth]

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[rohrl]

Evel Knievel died of idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis. Barry Sheene died of oesophagal and stomach cancer.

[Thehandshake]

The amount of ignorance in this thread is trully mind boggling. I'm referring to those who don't know what OP is talking about

Edited by Thehandshake on Monday 11th November 13:54

[CHN]

GC8 said:

You seem to be suggesting that the motorcyclist was soley at fault here?

I suppose it depends how fast the guy was actually going? If you look in your mirror before moving over I'd imagine it might seem clear a second before if a bike is travelling down at well over a 100, by the time you move into the new lane, the bike could be right there, especially if the bike was tanking down the middle lane for example and so hidden from the guys view by the car directly behind, then the bike moves out at the same time the car does to overtake the car in between the pair and boom. I wouldn't place any blame on the car in this scenario.

[a311]

It’s been said before a million times but……

Of all road users there are a percentage of knobs be they:

Motorcyclists
Car drivers
HGV drivers
Cyclists
Horse riders?

Etc etc

As someone with a bike license, and occasional commuter using a push bike I have an overall appreciation of the gripes from those points of view. I could launch into a tirade of abuse but I’ve been knocked off my push bike once and motorbike twice in the last 5 years none of which were luckily serious but also not my fault in any shape or form and caused by drivers just not showing enough care and attention.....

[GC8]

Thats possible, but not particularly likely, I think.

[Rubin215]

Thehandshake said:

The number of ignorance in this thread is trully mind boggling. I'm referring to those who don't know what OP is talking about

Ignorance isn't normally given a numerical value.

But if you insist, can we make it two; two much ignorance...

[rohrl]

Rubin215 said:

Thehandshake said:

The number of ignorance in this thread is trully mind boggling. I'm referring to those who don't know what OP is talking about

Ignorance isn't normally given a numerical value.

But if you insist, can we make it two; two much ignorance...

As one who is trully two ignorant four words I like this idea.

[thatdude]

The motorcyclist who does not take care and caution when riding is likely to masquerade as a car driver who does also not take care and caution.

I am a motorcyclist some days of the week who takes care and caution. When I am not dressed up like a power ranger (or, this time of year, dressed up in warm and waterproof goretex) and I am at the controls of my car, I still take care and caution. I know of people who ride like they think they are Marc Marquez, and drive like they think they are Sebastien Vettel.

Bikers don't all die. The stupid ones, however, increase their risk of death by motorcycling considerably. They probably also increase their risk of serious injury and death in all other aspects of their life.

Darwinism, innit.

[J4CKO]

Same with cyclists, you can be in the right but still have a fully laden Scania resting on your head, everyone should take responsibility for their own safety, but especially those on two wheels as you cant really guarantee every other fker will.

Other than drivers causing accidents I think the performance is a big factor, the times I have been over the Cat and Fiddle and seen broken bikes, Ambulances and wreaths at the side of the road it does make me think, its not the Belstaff wearing bearded types or the Accountants at the weekend on Harleys that seem to have the most accidents, its the sports bikes, purely an observation.

Then I hear, usually on a Sunday morning the sound of a decent sized bike being wound out down the bypass, Speed limit 70 mph, I suspect they may be doing like 75 or even 80 mph the problem there is, if realistically you are nudging 150 in a 70, Doris and Bert arent equipped for stuff appearing that quickly, same reason they flash you when you overtake on their side of the road, they dont get it, so if they pull out and you happen upon them at double the limit then its not perhaps entirely Berts fault.

I keep thinking about getting a bike, but I just cant trust myself, I know what seemed fast before would be slow, I know I would regularly be risking a ban, bad enough in a quickish car.

[Janesy B]

It seems anyone riding or driving in group are more prone to being utter morons. I 'interrupted' a convoy of shoddy old DUBs by moving to the left lane 1/4 (or half, can't remember, doesn't matter ) of a mile before a turning I wanted to take. The tatty old Golf behind me proceed to start an overtake on the first countdown marker (three bars), was still in the middle lane for the last marker, he wanted the same junction. Had I not been so forgiving (I had to slow from 70 to 40 to stop him from making a pulpy mess of himself all over the M3) and had a slightly quicker car, he would have found himself in a spot of bother.

I think the key thing is that people are idiots, people in groups generally become dangerous morons.

Edited by Janesy B on Monday 11th November 13:31

Edited by Janesy B on Monday 11th November 13:32

[Mr2Mike]

Janesy B said:

I think the key thing is that people are idiots, people in groups generally become dangerous morons.

Not all people are idiots, but I see where you are coming from. Lone idiots are bad, but groups of them are exponentially worse.

I assign you -0.23 ignorance number for your post

[dundarach]

I'm not a biker, however for every 1 poor biker I see, I think I could count a 1000 poor car drivers....

Easily!

Speed and overtaking are not poor riding (in general)

[Spanna]

anonymous said:

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It's funny you should say that. Just a few weeks ago I was behind a woman in a 207 who had both her wing mirrors folded in whilst driving along. I pulled up right next to her at the lights and could see she was just looking down at her phone. On Facebook. I pointed towards her mirror to say it was folded in, but she just quickly put her phone away and glared forwards like I didn't exist.

She was quite fit, in case anybody was wondering.

[GTIR]

Spanna said:

It's funny you should say that. Just a few weeks ago I was behind a woman in a 207 who had both her wing mirrors folded in whilst driving along. I pulled up right next to her at the lights and could see she was just looking down at her phone. On Facebook. I pointed towards her mirror to say it was folded in, but she just quickly put her phone away and glared forwards like I didn't exist.

She was quite fit, in case anybody was wondering.

How did you know she was on Facebook if she was looking down at it?

[Fire99]

Death is usually why bikers die. Tends to be pretty fatal too.. Very hard to treat

[Art0ir]

Fire99 said:

Death is usually why bikers die. Tends to be pretty fatal too.. Very hard to treat

In the short term at least, but does anyone really know the long term effects?

[Thehandshake]

Rubin215 said:

Ignorance isn't normally given a numerical value.

But if you insist, can we make it two; two much ignorance...

My original post was a typo but only a mentally challanged person wouldn't know what I meant by what I wrote. I hope that you reported your condition to DVLA?