RE: Peugeot RCZ R: Review
Discussion
Riyazc said:
Never noticed how much that car looks like an original TT from certain angles.
I think the RCZ is far better looking than all iterations of the TT. I never liked the soap bar design. This has nicer features (bubble roof) and a better resolved front /rear. The TT looked to my eyes the same profile from back and the front.I agree that this is the most alluring car Pug has made in a long while!
Having worked for a few car manufacturers (Pug Skoda Audi Alfa MG Rover Ford Vauxhall Mitsubishi Seat)and being a big petrol head I can honestly say that the RCZ was probably the most disappointing car ive ever driven.
It looked the part but felt cheap inside and just wasn't anywhere near quick enough. Interior felt plasticy and not solid and the gearbox is lose to say the least (bit like stirring a bucket of water with a twig) the clutch is far to light as well. The handling was great and it would corner well but it just didn't have the pull out of the corner that it needed. Pug made this to challenge the TT but the build quality and the performance just isnt anywhere near where it needs to be to be considered a real challenger. id take a basic TT over an RCZ anyday of the week right now and with the New TT due for launch next year (according to Audi at their summer CLT training in Munich this year where i saw the new TT and the Audi S1) i think this might be to little to late for pug.....
PSA is losing money like its going out of fashion and although i appreciate what they have done in the past unless they change the company image from grandpa to young and hip i can honestly see them going out of business. (it wont happen as the french government would step in but its not looking great IMHO)
I hope that with the R models things are changing for Pug as ive owned 3 different 205 GTI's (1 1.9 and 2 1.6's), a 309GTI and a 405 Mi16 and since these cars pug have made nothing of any note that i would bother buying...
Also i go to Vence very often (in laws have a holiday home there) and would be interested to know what roads you were hammering as i know a few myself that you probably wouldnt unless you lived there!
On the Audi note the New S1 will be a monster! 234PS quattro package in both 3 and 5 dr.....
The New TT is similar in shape to the current model but becomes more edgey and sharp and with an all new chassis, digital speedo and head up display it will sell like hot cakes.............. AGAIN!
It looked the part but felt cheap inside and just wasn't anywhere near quick enough. Interior felt plasticy and not solid and the gearbox is lose to say the least (bit like stirring a bucket of water with a twig) the clutch is far to light as well. The handling was great and it would corner well but it just didn't have the pull out of the corner that it needed. Pug made this to challenge the TT but the build quality and the performance just isnt anywhere near where it needs to be to be considered a real challenger. id take a basic TT over an RCZ anyday of the week right now and with the New TT due for launch next year (according to Audi at their summer CLT training in Munich this year where i saw the new TT and the Audi S1) i think this might be to little to late for pug.....
PSA is losing money like its going out of fashion and although i appreciate what they have done in the past unless they change the company image from grandpa to young and hip i can honestly see them going out of business. (it wont happen as the french government would step in but its not looking great IMHO)
I hope that with the R models things are changing for Pug as ive owned 3 different 205 GTI's (1 1.9 and 2 1.6's), a 309GTI and a 405 Mi16 and since these cars pug have made nothing of any note that i would bother buying...
Also i go to Vence very often (in laws have a holiday home there) and would be interested to know what roads you were hammering as i know a few myself that you probably wouldnt unless you lived there!
On the Audi note the New S1 will be a monster! 234PS quattro package in both 3 and 5 dr.....
The New TT is similar in shape to the current model but becomes more edgey and sharp and with an all new chassis, digital speedo and head up display it will sell like hot cakes.............. AGAIN!
Great to see Peugeot putting out a decent hot car again, it's been a long time coming!
1280kg for a modern car is pretty light as well. The RCZ turns my head whenever I see one as its one of very few pretty cars on the road now- I just don't understand why there's an insistence on the FF layout, as someone else said it really looks like a MR car.
1280kg for a modern car is pretty light as well. The RCZ turns my head whenever I see one as its one of very few pretty cars on the road now- I just don't understand why there's an insistence on the FF layout, as someone else said it really looks like a MR car.
Richard how did the Sunderland game go?
As for the Audi thing.... I dont actually work for them but have in the past and have been lucky enough to be allowed to go on some CLT courses within my consultancy role.
Im not an Audi BORE if thats what your thinking but i can appreciate good engineering when i see it! and if anyone tries to tell me that Audi are not a very good car manufacturer then your mental.....
YOU DONT WIN LE MANS THAT MANY TIMES BY DEFAULT!!!!
As for the Audi thing.... I dont actually work for them but have in the past and have been lucky enough to be allowed to go on some CLT courses within my consultancy role.
Im not an Audi BORE if thats what your thinking but i can appreciate good engineering when i see it! and if anyone tries to tell me that Audi are not a very good car manufacturer then your mental.....
YOU DONT WIN LE MANS THAT MANY TIMES BY DEFAULT!!!!
Neith said:
I just don't understand why there's an insistence on the FF layout, as someone else said it really looks like a MR car.
Practicality - I assume (but don't know) it uses elements of something like the 308. A ground up MR Peugeot would have ended up costing ~£35-40k at a guess. Hatchoo said:
Alex said:
I don't dislike the styling of the RCZ, but I find it a little strange. It's a front-engined, FWD coupé that looks likes a mid-engined RWD coupé!
Exactly this, it's...unsatisfactory.
)Agdavie said:
Richard how did the Sunderland game go?
As for the Audi thing.... I dont actually work for them but have in the past and have been lucky enough to be allowed to go on some CLT courses within my consultancy role.
Im not an Audi BORE if thats what your thinking but i can appreciate good engineering when i see it! and if anyone tries to tell me that Audi are not a very good car manufacturer then your mental.....
YOU DONT WIN LE MANS THAT MANY TIMES BY DEFAULT!!!!
Didn't go too well! As for the Audi thing.... I dont actually work for them but have in the past and have been lucky enough to be allowed to go on some CLT courses within my consultancy role.
Im not an Audi BORE if thats what your thinking but i can appreciate good engineering when i see it! and if anyone tries to tell me that Audi are not a very good car manufacturer then your mental.....
YOU DONT WIN LE MANS THAT MANY TIMES BY DEFAULT!!!!
i take your points but i simply must disagree, ive yet to see a TT with more than 10k on the clock not look or feel tired, have a look at the side bolsters on the seats and you'll see what i mean, the myth of quality is just that, propagated by people that claim to know a lot about cars.
Audi use Faurecia a lot for their interioirs, Peugeot own Faurecia so you cant tell me the raw materials are much better
The RCZ is made by Magna not peugeot, next to some pretty spicy metal!
as for le mans, they may win the battle, but they lost the ILMC to peugeot in 2010 and 2011, so they lost the war.
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