RE: Chris Harris video: 911 Turbo vs McLaren 12C

RE: Chris Harris video: 911 Turbo vs McLaren 12C

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Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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APOLO1 said:
I agree at the end of the day its down to individual tastes and requirements. with regard to nos ect I have actually raced a TTS against a 12c and 997Gt3,on track... who are better drivers than me.....They could not even get close.....

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So what? This is all getting rather petty

It's not just about the length, or the girth.

APOLO1

5,256 posts

194 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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agreed my account is now deleted.....

Mermaid

21,492 posts

171 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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APOLO1 said:
agreed my account is now deleted.....


Sorry to hear that, perhaps just take some time off

marctwo

3,666 posts

260 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Dblue said:
Love the clean design and details of the 12C up close and although it can look a little bland in some colours (Yellow included) in the right shade its a very very handsome car
I don't normally like yellow cars but I saw a yellow 12C on the M25 and it was stunning. It's not the normal yellow you get on most cars. I don't think video does it justice.

DanielSan

18,799 posts

167 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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APOLO1 said:
agreed my account is now deleted.....
For everyone else's sake I fking hope so. I've never seen a thread on hear so de-railed by one person because his car lost a drag race.

Dblue

3,252 posts

200 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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APOLO1 said:
agreed my account is now deleted.....
That is a real pity. I hope you re-consider.

Could maybe , perhaps, just be a little less dogmatic though.

(I also understand the driver of the Turbo in the vid has tweeted that the launch was definitely in LC Sport+ mode )

Wills2

22,849 posts

175 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Well I thought the turbo did OK to stay with the 12c to 120mph, did the same on the Autocar test against the F12 as well, where they didn't use launch control either. (it's better not to use it as who would in real life?)

I don't think there is any shame in coming second best to the 12c, perhaps the 991 GT2/RS when/if they come out might be in the same league as the 12c but the Turbo is a rung down on the ladder in terms of price.

Not sure I like the look of the new turbo though.











Edited by Wills2 on Thursday 28th November 19:19

APOLO1

5,256 posts

194 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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DanielSan said:
For everyone else's sake I fking hope so. I've never seen a thread on hear so de-railed by one person because his car lost a drag race.
don't worry mate...I could not GAFF, many cars will out run a TTs not a problem.....but not a 12C. I feel like I broken down out side WONGA....Bi

ItsJustARide

108 posts

157 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Great video followed by ridiculous (if very funny) thread.

It's always great to see the word "fact" bandied about willy nilly when the word "opinion" is far more accurate. In my opinion.

I particularly liked a Porsche 911 Turbo S being described as a "Q" car. Classic.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
Bertrand Russell



Wanta996Gotta

5,622 posts

207 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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APOLO1 said:
DanielSan said:
For everyone else's sake I fking hope so. I've never seen a thread on hear so de-railed by one person because his car lost a drag race.
don't worry mate...I could not GAFF, many cars will out run a TTs not a problem.....but not a 12C. I feel like I broken down out side WONGA....Bi
Not sure that i have read any stats apart from the 0-60 that shows the TTS to be match for the Mclaren in any performance measurment. The Mclarens lower weight and extra 60+bhp surely makes it a non-contest.

J4CKO

41,588 posts

200 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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I think with the Q car thing he was possibly saying the 911 blends in a bit more than the McLaren, which it does, but it isnt exactly low key performance in the scheme of things.

Dr Z

3,396 posts

171 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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ItsJustARide said:
I particularly liked a Porsche 911 Turbo S being described as a "Q" car. Classic.
I presume you live out in the sticks. The 991 TTS is practically a Q-car if you live in a city like London. No different from common as muck, the other 911 variants (this is particularly true of a new 911).

ETA: Oh Vancouver, J4CKO above explains what a 'Q-car' is better than I could.

Is it just me, every time I say 991 TTS it comes out as tits?


Edited by Dr Z on Thursday 28th November 17:20

DanielSan

18,799 posts

167 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Wanta996Gotta said:
Not sure that i have read any stats apart from the 0-60 that shows the TTS to be match for the Mclaren in any performance measurment. The Mclarens lower weight and extra 60+bhp surely makes it a non-contest.
And anyone blessed with the power of sight knows that as well.

DanielSan

18,799 posts

167 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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APOLO1 said:
don't worry mate...I could not GAFF, many cars will out run a TTs not a problem.....but not a 12C. I feel like I broken down out side WONGA....Bi
So you don't care, and yet you're still here going on about it... And that's he second time you've said bye to this thread. Try following up on your promises, its the honourable thing to do.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

224 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Ed Straker said:
DMC2 said:
Let's not forget the turbo has four seats which puts it in a different league when it comes to usability.
Lol
It so does not.
If you can afford a Macca you can afford to have the wife and kids sit in your Range Rover when the need arises.
It does have 4 seats, even if the back two are small. I don't think your opinion changes that. It means you can fill the back with bags and drive across Europe, whereas a gallardo for example, has hardly any storage.

jp-sr71

123 posts

185 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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APOLO said:
Do you understand what an extra 50nm of torque would make to the test?
Sweet FA in a drag race.


ItsJustARide

108 posts

157 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Dr Z said:
I presume you live out in the sticks. The 991 TTS is practically a Q-car if you live in a city like London. No different from common as muck, the other 911 variants (this is particularly true of a new 911).

ETA: Oh Vancouver, J4CKO above explains what a 'Q-car' is better than I could.
No J4CKO does not explain what a Q-car is. He explains how the term was used inappropriately. A 911 Turbo S is less conspicuous than a McLaren but a Q-car it definitely is not.

And believe you me, with all the Chinese money in Vancouver, 911s are 2-a-penny whilst every variety of Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren etc are common sights. Generally driven by 17 year olds.

Dr Z

3,396 posts

171 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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ItsJustARide said:
No J4CKO does not explain what a Q-car is. He explains how the term was used inappropriately. A 911 Turbo S is less conspicuous than a McLaren but a Q-car it definitely is not.

And believe you me, with all the Chinese money in Vancouver, 911s are 2-a-penny whilst every variety of Ferrari, Lambo, McLaren etc are common sights. Generally driven by 17 year olds.
Oh dear, I appear to have been sucked in to APOLO1s vortex, but you get the idea, for someone who's used to cars at that level, a Turbo S is less ostentatious (whilst being as fast as much more exotic machinery in the real world). Unless you're an anorak/petrolhead, I doubt you could tell which of the 911 variant is coming up in your rear-view mirror.

Edited by Dr Z on Thursday 28th November 18:15

DanielSan

18,799 posts

167 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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Dr Z said:
Oh dear, I appear to have been sucked in to APOLO1s vortex, but you get the idea, for someone who's used to cars at that level, a Turbo S is less ostententatious (whilst being as fast as much more exotic machinery in the real world). Unless you're an anorak/petrolhead, I doubt you could tell which of the 911 variant is coming up in your rear-view mirror.
Especially when it turns out to be a Boxster hehe

Dr Z

3,396 posts

171 months

Thursday 28th November 2013
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DanielSan said:
Dr Z said:
Oh dear, I appear to have been sucked in to APOLO1s vortex, but you get the idea, for someone who's used to cars at that level, a Turbo S is less ostentatious (whilst being as fast as much more exotic machinery in the real world). Unless you're an anorak/petrolhead, I doubt you could tell which of the 911 variant is coming up in your rear-view mirror.
Especially when it turns out to be a Boxster hehe
hehe Or in the dark, MINI! Lord knows how many times I've been fooled by that! Think it's a MINI, turns out to be a Porsche 911!