RE: Porsche LMP1 confirms 4-cyl hybrid
Discussion
Plenty of 4 pots sound good, if it can sound like this then all is good...
http://youtu.be/GyV141Us2rI
http://youtu.be/GyV141Us2rI
All depends on your HR department, I have a Porsche 911...oh, but I'm the HR Manager
To be fair its normally the Finance department that likes diesel!
To be fair its normally the Finance department that likes diesel!
Some Gump said:
Wasn't the idea that the "FIA world engine" being valid for WEC, F1 and WRC amongst others? 1 engine architecture with different turbo / cams / valves could be used for a veriety of formulae, making it better for all?
Anyways, although I'm slightly sad that the new pork won't sound like the Aston from 2011, I'm happy to see anything that can take the fight to the Audis. If Porsche are bringing the tech to the street as well - all the better. Although no doubt some posters will be frothing at the mouth at the horrible idea of an inline 4 in a Porsche, I'm excited by the prospet of what thir motorsport activities will being to the road cars.
Off the top of my head...
Sequential turbos
Varioram/ variocam
The Metzger engine
Clever 4wd
Probably the best brakes / ABS on the market for a huge amount of time (993 eta etc)
All of the above were spawned by Porsche's WRC / Le Mans work. If Porsche can make a potent, economical 4 then that's great by me - I'd love a 911 that did 50 MPG, it would really, really piss on the chips of HR when they try to take cars off the "acceptible private cars" list for my company car opt out scheme =)
Anyways, although I'm slightly sad that the new pork won't sound like the Aston from 2011, I'm happy to see anything that can take the fight to the Audis. If Porsche are bringing the tech to the street as well - all the better. Although no doubt some posters will be frothing at the mouth at the horrible idea of an inline 4 in a Porsche, I'm excited by the prospet of what thir motorsport activities will being to the road cars.
Off the top of my head...
Sequential turbos
Varioram/ variocam
The Metzger engine
Clever 4wd
Probably the best brakes / ABS on the market for a huge amount of time (993 eta etc)
All of the above were spawned by Porsche's WRC / Le Mans work. If Porsche can make a potent, economical 4 then that's great by me - I'd love a 911 that did 50 MPG, it would really, really piss on the chips of HR when they try to take cars off the "acceptible private cars" list for my company car opt out scheme =)
Clivey said:
Maybe I'm being thick, but why is the VW group allowing Audi and Porsche to compete against one-another? Would it not make more sense to enter them into different classes so that each manufacturer, if successful, can declare "We won!"? 
It's actually a no lose situation, as long as they let them race.Of porsche win, it's another notch on the most sucessful belt in the history of the event. Audi still get to fight toyota.
If audi win, they get to punt more tdi slines. porsche can accept defeat in a gentlemanly fashion, whilst reminding people that derv is the dominant power due to the rules, but they don't do diesel in sports cars.
Of course, the ts03 might be triumphant, in which case it's a bummer for both
Some Gump said:
If audi win, they get to punt more tdi slines. porsche can accept defeat in a gentlemanly fashion, whilst reminding people that derv is the dominant power due to the rules, but they don't do diesel in sports cars.
According to their advert in Evo, the new Macan is a sports car.danp said:
vgd!
Actually we are all wrong. It's a 23h45 min sprint. It's visibly noticeable that they have a gentlemanly wind down on the last 2 laps / 15 minutes as they get themselves into position to come over the line together. ;-)Last year was Audi, Toyota, Audi, Toyota, Audi so there must have been some agreement in the garages not to go full blat till the chequered flag. Was the best race I've seen since, er, 2012 when IIRC Peugeot were 12 seconds behind the lead Audi with less than half hour to go.
This year a lot of our group have dropped out, but there's a few of us have decided to go and watch the race because there's too much going on to miss. Nissan are back with their pocket ZEOD too. When they sponsored the delta wing is wasn't quite up to LMP2 competition speed as it was somewhere near the back, but it was only just behind. So will be interesting to see what 2 years of development will bring.
Will be great to see what Porcshe LMP does at Silverstone so we can look ahead to Le Mans proper. I'm really hoping there's more a mix in the GT class this year. Last years was "only" Ferraris, Porsches, Astons, Corvettes and Chrysler/Dodge. Would like as few less Porsche / Ferrari and a few more Jag / Lambo / Maclarens / GTRs etc.
rufusruffcutt said:
787B was a rotary 4 2616cc and that sounded biblical at full chat.
Yeah the quad rotor engines sound just insane. Its a shame that they never did a race version of the Furi. Although I doubt it would have passed any of the FIA regs or would have had to pit every 3 laps for fuel Not all 4 cylinders sounds naff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf_NH8yoCgY
Also - why is it that when we enthusiasts discuss multi-cylinder engines, we aren't including 4 cylinder engines in that description? Surely anything with 2 cylinders or more qualifies as multi-cylinder?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf_NH8yoCgY
Also - why is it that when we enthusiasts discuss multi-cylinder engines, we aren't including 4 cylinder engines in that description? Surely anything with 2 cylinders or more qualifies as multi-cylinder?
Talkig about all these engine tyoes... You know what would be cool.. jag getting their twin jet turbine cx75 hybrid into garage 56 
That would be something new to listen to. wouldnt have to be competitive but a finish somewhere before the GTs woukd be good.
while were at it, get a ducati powered westfield xtr out there and something with the triumph 2.3 litre triple. shoukd have everything covered then. Oh hang on... forgot the 5cyl 2.5 from the ford volvo stable, lol.
That would be something new to listen to. wouldnt have to be competitive but a finish somewhere before the GTs woukd be good.while were at it, get a ducati powered westfield xtr out there and something with the triumph 2.3 litre triple. shoukd have everything covered then. Oh hang on... forgot the 5cyl 2.5 from the ford volvo stable, lol.
J-P said:
Of course; you're right. The problem is that most new FI 4-cylinder cars are designed with economy in mind and end-up sounding dull.J-P said:
Also - why is it that when we enthusiasts discuss multi-cylinder engines, we aren't including 4 cylinder engines in that description? Surely anything with 2 cylinders or more qualifies as multi-cylinder?
Again; can't argue!TransverseTight said:
Actually we are all wrong. It's a 23h45 min sprint. It's visibly noticeable that they have a gentlemanly wind down on the last 2 laps / 15 minutes as they get themselves into position to come over the line together. ;-)
It certainly wasn't in 2011.2014 promises to be one of the most exciting sportscar seasons of the modern age, with 2015 looking even more enticing. Will the choice of engine, fuel or number of cylinders effect this? No. Certainly for me, sportscar racing is so much more than that. It will be mightily interesting to see if Porsche get on top of their issues before June, that's for sure.
chevronb37 said:
The problem, to my mind, with the C-X75 is that the (theoretical) turbine noise won't be proportional to throttle position. However, the Howmett is a genuine gas turbine sports car and has appeared at Classic Le Mans in the recent past. As (poorly rendered, I admit) below:
I love the Howmets Mk1 Ford Cortina rear lights.rogerhudson said:
chevronb37 said:
The problem, to my mind, with the C-X75 is that the (theoretical) turbine noise won't be proportional to throttle position. However, the Howmett is a genuine gas turbine sports car and has appeared at Classic Le Mans in the recent past. As (poorly rendered, I admit) below:
I love the Howmets Mk1 Ford Cortina rear lights.Why do so many people witter on about the sound it makes? it's the power and handling that count, plus the reliability.
The 911 as a four cylinder engined car? it's a 912 and a lovely handling light car it is too.
I want to see a very small gas turbine running on LPG at constant rpm powering a high frequency alternator into a control unit that uses a battery as an energy buffer and powering four electric hub motor/brake units.
This hybrid was called a 'mixte' system when Porsche (the Old Professor)worked something similar in 1900.
The 911 as a four cylinder engined car? it's a 912 and a lovely handling light car it is too.
I want to see a very small gas turbine running on LPG at constant rpm powering a high frequency alternator into a control unit that uses a battery as an energy buffer and powering four electric hub motor/brake units.
This hybrid was called a 'mixte' system when Porsche (the Old Professor)worked something similar in 1900.
PW said:
Manufacturers exist soley to make and sell cars. PR is a tool to sell more cars. Motorsport is a PR tool that says to people your cars are worth buying because they are the best and can win races because of something the manufacturer has done - either the make/model itself in the case of GT/Touring cars, or some sort of technology the company has developed as in single seater/prototype categories, even if it is tenuous.
If there is no link at all, and motorsport has no value as a PR tool, they might as well spend that money on print/tv advertising, or product placement in films that will get them in front of a much bigger audience than a few thousand motorsport fans.
WEC/Le Mans wouldn't exist without manufacturer support. LMP1 is a defacto manufacturer class. LMP2 is the Nissan class. GTE is mostly factory teams. The manufacturers also put a lot of money into the championship itself, supporting events, logistics, coverage etc.
You'd have something like the Asian LMS/ELMS - maybe 2 dozen cars on a good day at a hand full of races in a season, with barely any coverage. Nothing neccessarily wrong with those series - I enjoy following/watching them as much as anything else, but at very different level in terms of "spectacle".
Some teams pay for motorsport out of their R&D and engineering budgets, not their marketing budgets. Some of these companies can be found in P1.If there is no link at all, and motorsport has no value as a PR tool, they might as well spend that money on print/tv advertising, or product placement in films that will get them in front of a much bigger audience than a few thousand motorsport fans.
WEC/Le Mans wouldn't exist without manufacturer support. LMP1 is a defacto manufacturer class. LMP2 is the Nissan class. GTE is mostly factory teams. The manufacturers also put a lot of money into the championship itself, supporting events, logistics, coverage etc.
You'd have something like the Asian LMS/ELMS - maybe 2 dozen cars on a good day at a hand full of races in a season, with barely any coverage. Nothing neccessarily wrong with those series - I enjoy following/watching them as much as anything else, but at very different level in terms of "spectacle".
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