RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S on track
Discussion
s2000db said:
So the Autocar road test is published, unfortunately theyre not that impressed with the handling, and its not as quick as the previous model.... 
well if that's what it says in the mags it must be right then.....Same mag said this a while back......which one is right......
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/video-new-porsc...
has any one on here acutely driven a 991tts?....to say the current car is not as quick as the out going 977tts is just Mad.....with the aids disengaged on the limit, it is fun. extremely sensitive to GEO settings....
Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 8th January 17:59
s2000db said:
So the Autocar road test is published, unfortunately they're not that impressed with the handling, and its not as quick as the previous model....
Porsche wanted to make a good impression with the previous model TTs, which was seriously fast, I have a few road tests so can compare, however I would think from their performance, the road test examples were near to 600 bhp!! Bit like the tests of the Mclaren 12 coupe and spider.
Mark.
markbe said:
s2000db said:
So the Autocar road test is published, unfortunately they're not that impressed with the handling, and its not as quick as the previous model....
Porsche wanted to make a good impression with the previous model TTs, which was seriously fast, I have a few road tests so can compare, however I would think from their performance, the road test examples were near to 600 bhp!! Bit like the tests of the Mclaren 12 coupe and spider.
Mark.
Mind you, if you were blindfolded, you wouldn't be able to detect the .2 or .3 secs difference, to answer Apolo's question...
Im wondering if the sound symposer gives a subliminal impression that the car is much quicker??
s2000db said:
I suspect you're right, most tests put it at sub 3 secs to 60, and sub 7 secs to 100mph..
Mind you, if you were blindfolded, you wouldn't be able to detect the .2 or .3 secs difference, to answer Apolo's question...
Im wondering if the sound symposer gives a subliminal impression that the car is much quicker??
Mind you, if you were blindfolded, you wouldn't be able to detect the .2 or .3 secs difference, to answer Apolo's question...
Im wondering if the sound symposer gives a subliminal impression that the car is much quicker??
The 997tts was never 600bhp stock, I had two both were up about 20-30Bhp, to around 550ish....You say you can not feel 0.2 or 0.3 ect, but you can.....
The is 991tts is a lot faster mid range than a 997tts, Round the bends, its on a completely different planet, due to rear wheel steer, torque vectoring ect,strange no mention of the extra torques in sport plus mode...if any thing the 991tts feels on quiet side....I think the prob is that the GT3 is so good it has set very hard act to follow, even for the TTS....
GALLARDOGUY said:
You can feel a difference of 0.2 of a second in the acceleration of a car can you?
That's another one for the archive!!
yes, absolutely ......example P1...only what one or two tenths faster on paper than 12C, TTS, 4.0RS, 991GT3, ect to 60.....and yet feels significantly quicker.......but you would not know this, because its not in a mag.......dream on....That's another one for the archive!!
Edited by APOLO1 on Wednesday 8th January 20:24
APOLO1 said:
has any one on here acutely driven a 991tts?....to say the current car is not as quick as the out going 977tts is just Mad.....with the aids disengaged on the limit, it is fun. extremely sensitive to GEO settings....
I've got one. It's streets ahead of the 997 Turbo S in every respect, and I owned 2 of those as well. I'm sure it's close in a straight drag race but in every other situation the 991 is by far and away a better car. I can understand people with 997s thinking "really, how can they improve on this?" but they can and they have. I won't even bother reading the Autocar review, it won't tell me anything new.DT398 said:
I've got one. It's streets ahead of the 997 Turbo S in every respect, and I owned 2 of those as well. I'm sure it's close in a straight drag race but in every other situation the 991 is by far and away a better car. I can understand people with 997s thinking "really, how can they improve on this?" but they can and they have. I won't even bother reading the Autocar review, it won't tell me anything new.
I had a 997turbo,and there's loads they could have done to improve it.I can easily imagine the 991 turbo being miles better,not that hard tbh.Not sure about the width though the back end is nearly as big as kim kardashians arse,the ultimate a to b car isn't so great down narrow b roads when there are other cars on the road due to its width.
I don't think the width is that much of an issue to be honest. It's "only" 72mm wider than a C2s which is equivalent to about the width of your hand excluding the thumb. It's also only 28mm wider than the 991 GT3 and I haven't heard many comments about that being "too wide" but it does seem to be a general trend of increasing size and the roads aren't getting any wider.
I do see your point though as the 991 TS is 20mm wider than a F10 M5, which is by no means a small car!
Like I have said before, the 991 nay-sayers will be all over them when they are a bit cheaper (I don't think they will be any narrower at that point ;-)), just reinforcing the point that they seem a bit expensive. In reality, they are not, compared with previous generations.
I do see your point though as the 991 TS is 20mm wider than a F10 M5, which is by no means a small car!
Like I have said before, the 991 nay-sayers will be all over them when they are a bit cheaper (I don't think they will be any narrower at that point ;-)), just reinforcing the point that they seem a bit expensive. In reality, they are not, compared with previous generations.
DT398 said:
I don't think the width is that much of an issue to be honest. It's "only" 72mm wider than a C2s which is equivalent to about the width of your hand excluding the thumb. It's also only 28mm wider than the 991 GT3 and I haven't heard many comments about that being "too wide" but it does seem to be a general trend of increasing size and the roads aren't getting any wider.
I do see your point though as the 991 TS is 20mm wider than a F10 M5, which is by no means a small car!
Like I have said before, the 991 nay-sayers will be all over them when they are a bit cheaper (I don't think they will be any narrower at that point ;-)), just reinforcing the point that they seem a bit expensive. In reality, they are not, compared with previous generations.
The width measurements don't tell the full story though, the cars total dimensions are noticeably larger than the 997 Turbo on the outside and on the inside, this affects your confidence to fling it down a de-restricted hedge-lined B-road where it can tighten up real quick. I admit there is not much in it but the 997 Turbo was on the absolute limit size wize for me in terms of 911's.I do see your point though as the 991 TS is 20mm wider than a F10 M5, which is by no means a small car!
Like I have said before, the 991 nay-sayers will be all over them when they are a bit cheaper (I don't think they will be any narrower at that point ;-)), just reinforcing the point that they seem a bit expensive. In reality, they are not, compared with previous generations.
The Superleggera, although similar in width feels a hell of alot smaller than the 991 Turbo and inspires more confidence in terms of its dimensions even if the ride quality does not.
DT398 said:
I don't think the width is that much of an issue to be honest. It's "only" 72mm wider than a C2s which is equivalent to about the width of your hand excluding the thumb. It's also only 28mm wider than the 991 GT3 and I haven't heard many comments about that being "too wide" but it does seem to be a general trend of increasing size and the roads aren't getting any wider.
I do see your point though as the 991 TS is 20mm wider than a F10 M5, which is by no means a small car!
The quoted width of the turbo s is 1880mm without mirrors, which really isn't that wide. Looks are quite deceptive though as looking at one the other day at Reading OPC, the car's rear end looked massive and until I just googled it, was certain the car was at least as wide as an Audi R8. That being said the overall footprint of the car probably is as much as issue as a set of width dimensions, the F10 M5 being narrower than the 991 for example, the F10 is a bloody big car!I do see your point though as the 991 TS is 20mm wider than a F10 M5, which is by no means a small car!
very goodisaldiri said:
The quoted width of the turbo s is 1880mm without mirrors, which really isn't that wide. !
Woa there that is massive are you sure., for example my house on wheels is 1882mmWouldn't bother me but that cannot be considered not wide.
Just to prove the point. And if you think it isn't wide I'd like to see you park my car in a typical space
Like I said wouldn't stop me buying one but narrow it ain't
Edited by Pesty on Saturday 11th January 11:31
s2000db said:
So the Autocar road test is published, unfortunately theyre not that impressed with the handling, and its not as quick as the previous model....
Not sure this is a fair assessment. Despite saying I wasn't going to bother, I couldn't resist the copy of Autocar calling to me from the shelf the local petrol station.Every section of the review gives 4 or 4.5 out of 5, including ride and handling. They also say in the handling section..."But these are criticisms relative only to some of the most vivid and beguiling sports cars that have ever been - all of them 911s"
They time it at 3.0 seconds dead to 60. Someone will beat that in a test if they haven't already. There's no way it's "not as quick" as the 997 Turbo S.
None of it told me anything new, but they hardly panned the thing in that review!
DT398 said:
s2000db said:
So the Autocar road test is published, unfortunately theyre not that impressed with the handling, and its not as quick as the previous model....
Not sure this is a fair assessment. Despite saying I wasn't going to bother, I couldn't resist the copy of Autocar calling to me from the shelf the local petrol station.Every section of the review gives 4 or 4.5 out of 5, including ride and handling. They also say in the handling section..."But these are criticisms relative only to some of the most vivid and beguiling sports cars that have ever been - all of them 911s"
They time it at 3.0 seconds dead to 60. Someone will beat that in a test if they haven't already. There's no way it's "not as quick" as the 997 Turbo S.
None of it told me anything new, but they hardly panned the thing in that review!
However for most of us that means that you're unlikely to get into serious trouble if you abuse the performance on offer!
What it will be quickest at is depreciation, but hey I've suffered that in the 997 TS, and enjoyed every minute tbh...
Yes and its too wide to throw down country roads.. ;-)
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