RE: Rickard Rydell's BTCC Mondeo to be sold
Discussion
Murderlamb said:
Quite tempted to turn mine into a replica...
(Any excuse to post a pic of my ST24!)
No don't do that. It'll look s(Any excuse to post a pic of my ST24!)
Edited by Murderlamb on Tuesday 7th January 11:48
t. Besides, these will get fewer and fewer over the years, along with the ST200 as they all start to rot away. Yours looks to be in good condition from what I can see so keep it that way. Only my opinion of course.
I am only tempted... I am thinking I may keep it original though. It seems to have survived the chav tat phase, but it does have issues. The sills are rotten at the rear, the rear arches are going and it leaks fuel and oil. Drives like a dream though.
I don't know if the prices are going to rocket or not, but this has 205k on the clock so I don't think the value will go too far north on this specimen.
I don't know if the prices are going to rocket or not, but this has 205k on the clock so I don't think the value will go too far north on this specimen.
My old 155 was a BTCC replica and did a sterling job of rusting where the body kit was screwed on. I took the kit off to discover the car was originally blue not red, stripped the whole lot back sold the body kit and Compomotive five spoke wheels, painted the car the correct colour, fitted the original wheels and sold her for three times what I originally paid. Roughly broke even on the restoration. I miss that car.
According to the chap I sold the car to she won best in show at an Italian car gathering and he sold her on for twice what he paid to someone from Germany where the car still lives to this day.
According to the chap I sold the car to she won best in show at an Italian car gathering and he sold her on for twice what he paid to someone from Germany where the car still lives to this day.
Chris Eyre said:
These cars are potty, and were the biggest headache for the rule makers in 2000.
The bodies are thin gauge steel (just by tapping the roof or shutting the doors you can tell). Aero not allowed, so they just equipped it with flat bottomed fuel tank, flat rear suspension arms etc - the underside is flat.
When they turned up with triangular exhaust silencers with the flat side continuing the aero theme, they were told to remove them.
They all did that acid etching or special panels to save weight. Although they weren't allowed aero, I know one team that did some alterations to the glass (for example the rear window had a "lip" of a few mm at the bottom edge.The bodies are thin gauge steel (just by tapping the roof or shutting the doors you can tell). Aero not allowed, so they just equipped it with flat bottomed fuel tank, flat rear suspension arms etc - the underside is flat.
When they turned up with triangular exhaust silencers with the flat side continuing the aero theme, they were told to remove them.
I know a team that discussed whether they could use the folding mirrors from the prod car to reduce drag by folding 'em on long straights - I don't think they ever bothered.
IIRC the Alfa had a big rear wing - in order to homolgate it, they supplied the giant wing and brackets in the boot of production cars.
Happy days - I even had the Playstation Game.
http://www.coys.co.uk/auction.php?itemID=4318&...
.... and for half the price this is for auction at Coys this weekend.
Nowhere near the history or tech of the Prodrive car. but a slightly cheaper way into a Mondeo Supertouring
.... and for half the price this is for auction at Coys this weekend.
Nowhere near the history or tech of the Prodrive car. but a slightly cheaper way into a Mondeo Supertouring
They did indeed lose something when they dropped the SuperTouring formula. Me as a fan of the BTCC for one. (Having been a big (ie favourite form of motorsport) fan since 1988).
It has been dull cars being driven like dodgems ever since (I think, because I don't even follow it any more but given that Plato is still involved and heralded, I suspect nothing has changed).
It has been dull cars being driven like dodgems ever since (I think, because I don't even follow it any more but given that Plato is still involved and heralded, I suspect nothing has changed).
Liquid Knight said:
My old 155 was a BTCC replica and did a sterling job of rusting where the body kit was screwed on. I took the kit off to discover the car was originally blue not red, stripped the whole lot back sold the body kit and Compomotive five spoke wheels, painted the car the correct colour, fitted the original wheels and sold her for three times what I originally paid. Roughly broke even on the restoration. I miss that car.
According to the chap I sold the car to she won best in show at an Italian car gathering and he sold her on for twice what he paid to someone from Germany where the car still lives to this day.
This was mine!According to the chap I sold the car to she won best in show at an Italian car gathering and he sold her on for twice what he paid to someone from Germany where the car still lives to this day.
This is so good looking it also deserves it's picture in the thread:
The Rydell car is just stunning though. It's one of my favourite cars of the era because it showed how you could elevate a humble Mondeo shell into something really special. The Super Touring years were just fantastic. The dominance of the Sierra Cosworth had finally come to an end with the rule change and a new wave of great cars arrived. Following the death of Super Touring, the BTCC became very boring. Big hatchbacks just don't have the same appeal.
The Rydell car is just stunning though. It's one of my favourite cars of the era because it showed how you could elevate a humble Mondeo shell into something really special. The Super Touring years were just fantastic. The dominance of the Sierra Cosworth had finally come to an end with the rule change and a new wave of great cars arrived. Following the death of Super Touring, the BTCC became very boring. Big hatchbacks just don't have the same appeal.
Chris Eyre said:
These cars are potty, and were the biggest headache for the rule makers in 2000.
The bodies are thin gauge steel (just by tapping the roof or shutting the doors you can tell). Aero not allowed, so they just equipped it with flat bottomed fuel tank, flat rear suspension arms etc - the underside is flat.
When they turned up with triangular exhaust silencers with the flat side continuing the aero theme, they were told to remove them.
They were technical masterpieces also. The right hand wishbone pivots off the engine, the right hand driveshaft runs through the V of the engine.
Ford is rumoured to have spent £10m to win in that season, and there were only 8 cars. It would have been so easy for the rule-makers to be left with just 5....
Is there anywhere you can see pictures of the cool features on them?The bodies are thin gauge steel (just by tapping the roof or shutting the doors you can tell). Aero not allowed, so they just equipped it with flat bottomed fuel tank, flat rear suspension arms etc - the underside is flat.
When they turned up with triangular exhaust silencers with the flat side continuing the aero theme, they were told to remove them.
They were technical masterpieces also. The right hand wishbone pivots off the engine, the right hand driveshaft runs through the V of the engine.
Ford is rumoured to have spent £10m to win in that season, and there were only 8 cars. It would have been so easy for the rule-makers to be left with just 5....
That year was hard work....I was working with WSR (Redstone Honda) and the money Prodrive had from Ford was well over £ 6 million a season. They were proper;y quick and the 2000 season was an epic struggle between some very gifted drivers and some top teams. I wonder what it will go for.
I do hope that whoever buys it continues to race it! Especially now there is the new HSCC championship for 1980s and 90s Super-touring cars and drivers that has been running all year with the occasional drive from Harvey, Watts and Clealand.
Excuse to post some gratuitous shots:
On the subject, does anyone know what happened to the 96 or 97 BTCC Biela Audi that was doing some uk club level touring/supersaloon racing 2 or 3 years ago before disappearing off the radar again? Those 4wd A4s always did look and sound brilliant
Excuse to post some gratuitous shots:
On the subject, does anyone know what happened to the 96 or 97 BTCC Biela Audi that was doing some uk club level touring/supersaloon racing 2 or 3 years ago before disappearing off the radar again? Those 4wd A4s always did look and sound brilliant
Baryonyx said:
This is so good looking it also deserves it's picture in the thread:
The Rydell car is just stunning though. It's one of my favourite cars of the era because it showed how you could elevate a humble Mondeo shell into something really special. The Super Touring years were just fantastic. The dominance of the Sierra Cosworth had finally come to an end with the rule change and a new wave of great cars arrived. Following the death of Super Touring, the BTCC became very boring. Big hatchbacks just don't have the same appeal.
By 1994 the class two cars (ST cars before wings and splitters were allowed in 1995) were quicker at one or two circuits with over 200 hp less... that's some feat of chassis development (and tyre advances played their part of course)The Rydell car is just stunning though. It's one of my favourite cars of the era because it showed how you could elevate a humble Mondeo shell into something really special. The Super Touring years were just fantastic. The dominance of the Sierra Cosworth had finally come to an end with the rule change and a new wave of great cars arrived. Following the death of Super Touring, the BTCC became very boring. Big hatchbacks just don't have the same appeal.
the 2000 mondeo would be faster at all the British circuits than a 1990 spec Sierra, despite the power advantage, even on equivalent rubber. not bad for 300 (ish) hp versus 550 perhaps of the best sierras.
Super Tourers were incredible bits of engineering in comparison to the Group A cars such as the Sierras, but I love both
OllieC said:
By 1994 the class two cars (ST cars before wings and splitters were allowed in 1995) were quicker at one or two circuits with over 200 hp less... that's some feat of chassis development (and tyre advances played their part of course)
the 2000 mondeo would be faster at all the British circuits than a 1990 spec Sierra, despite the power advantage, even on equivalent rubber. not bad for 300 (ish) hp versus 550 perhaps of the best sierras.
Super Tourers were incredible bits of engineering in comparison to the Group A cars such as the Sierras, but I love both
You say that, but in the race that I posted pictures of above, Harvey in the blue Sierra RS500 went from near the back of the grid to 1st in very few laps, and blew all the ST machinery into the weedsthe 2000 mondeo would be faster at all the British circuits than a 1990 spec Sierra, despite the power advantage, even on equivalent rubber. not bad for 300 (ish) hp versus 550 perhaps of the best sierras.
Super Tourers were incredible bits of engineering in comparison to the Group A cars such as the Sierras, but I love both
Hairbrakes said:
OllieC said:
By 1994 the class two cars (ST cars before wings and splitters were allowed in 1995) were quicker at one or two circuits with over 200 hp less... that's some feat of chassis development (and tyre advances played their part of course)
the 2000 mondeo would be faster at all the British circuits than a 1990 spec Sierra, despite the power advantage, even on equivalent rubber. not bad for 300 (ish) hp versus 550 perhaps of the best sierras.
Super Tourers were incredible bits of engineering in comparison to the Group A cars such as the Sierras, but I love both
You say that, but in the race that I posted pictures of above, Harvey in the blue Sierra RS500 went from near the back of the grid to 1st in very few laps, and blew all the ST machinery into the weedsthe 2000 mondeo would be faster at all the British circuits than a 1990 spec Sierra, despite the power advantage, even on equivalent rubber. not bad for 300 (ish) hp versus 550 perhaps of the best sierras.
Super Tourers were incredible bits of engineering in comparison to the Group A cars such as the Sierras, but I love both
have a look at Frank Wrathall in car cam in a 1995 spec cavalier from Silverstone, it is really interesting to see the differences in the two types of cars, how much ground the ST cars can make into and through the corners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXk6tMc0YgE
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