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jimbop1 said:
DocArbathnot said:
jimbop1 said:
DocArbathnot said:
Why do anything that makes people hate you.
If someone doesn't care about this then why would I employ them.
Why would anyone hate him for having a visible tattoo?! If someone doesn't care about this then why would I employ them.
ked up to actually 'hate' someone for having a visible tattoo!
Ok, before I go any further the point of the thread was not to antagonise anyone or cause rifts between anyone on here.
I accept that some of my life decisions have not been the greatest but in a modern society that should not discriminate on appearance be it skin colour, tattoos or anything else, would like to think that something as mainstream as tattoos would make no difference to a recruiters decision.
The main aim of the thread was to ascertain whether it is realistic to believe a tattooed person could secure the role mentioned, selfishly for my own search for gainful enjoyable employment.
To answer the first response to this thread, I dont consider there to be anything else about my appearance that would startle or scare anyone, im quite a big chap but not ugly or scary looking in anyway.
I accept that some of my life decisions have not been the greatest but in a modern society that should not discriminate on appearance be it skin colour, tattoos or anything else, would like to think that something as mainstream as tattoos would make no difference to a recruiters decision.
The main aim of the thread was to ascertain whether it is realistic to believe a tattooed person could secure the role mentioned, selfishly for my own search for gainful enjoyable employment.
To answer the first response to this thread, I dont consider there to be anything else about my appearance that would startle or scare anyone, im quite a big chap but not ugly or scary looking in anyway.
japgt said:
Ok, before I go any further the point of the thread was not to antagonise anyone or cause rifts between anyone on here.
I accept that some of my life decisions have not been the greatest but in a modern society that should not discriminate on appearance be it skin colour, tattoos or anything else, would like to think that something as mainstream as tattoos would make no difference to a recruiters decision.
The main aim of the thread was to ascertain whether it is realistic to believe a tattooed person could secure the role mentioned, selfishly for my own search for gainful enjoyable employment.
To answer the first response to this thread, I dont consider there to be anything else about my appearance that would startle or scare anyone, im quite a big chap but not ugly or scary looking in anyway.
Sorry, but where does this 'society shouldn't discriminate on appearance' line come from?I accept that some of my life decisions have not been the greatest but in a modern society that should not discriminate on appearance be it skin colour, tattoos or anything else, would like to think that something as mainstream as tattoos would make no difference to a recruiters decision.
The main aim of the thread was to ascertain whether it is realistic to believe a tattooed person could secure the role mentioned, selfishly for my own search for gainful enjoyable employment.
To answer the first response to this thread, I dont consider there to be anything else about my appearance that would startle or scare anyone, im quite a big chap but not ugly or scary looking in anyway.
If that appearance is self-inflicted it is very telling.
OP - I was looked after by a very competent sales guy at a main dealer outlet (JCT600) a couple of months ago.
He had tattoos on both of his hands which were obviously very visible.
He was an "old school" type of bloke and had been selling cars all of his life (he was probably in his early fifties).
Don't give up hope.
He had tattoos on both of his hands which were obviously very visible.
He was an "old school" type of bloke and had been selling cars all of his life (he was probably in his early fifties).
Don't give up hope.
Discrimination of any type is wrong in my eyes and I imagine most would agree with that, so my opinion is that society in general should not discriminate for any reason. Why does having a tattoo allow someone to discriminate against that person, do we discriminate females for having their ears pierced?? Exactly the same thing in my opinion
Judith August Killer Cover (TM) blackout concealer is your answer*.At least it will get you in the interview room with no preconceptions. Then break it to the interviewer once Job offered-that way, at least you'll find out if they don't offer you a job for some reason, rather than using the ink as an excuse.
- other heavy duty concealer brands may be available.
If you are any different to an industry norm (I include black, female, gay, fat, spotty, white middle class, elderly, young) you have to be better and work harder to achieve the same position at work.
As has been identified in an earlier post I come across like a cock, it would be a distinct disavantage if I worked in a "PC" enviroment.
Don't give up but find another way in.
As has been identified in an earlier post I come across like a cock, it would be a distinct disavantage if I worked in a "PC" enviroment.
Don't give up but find another way in.
How about contacting a dealer and basically tell the big boss what your concerns are and how you would be a great asset, even if there is no current position you may find that your positive and proactive attitude may win you a job, gotta be worth a punt your not going to loose out trying and good luck in your search !
japgt said:
TVR1- thats a good idea, I would feel a bit uncomfortable as its a bit deceitful towards the employer however if they then chose to withdraw an offer on that basis I wouldnt want to work for them anyway.
The problem is that your prospective employer would consider it deceitful too. Not a desirable trait to discover in a new hire. Sales is simply about building rapport rapidly. A tatoo needn't prevent this and in my experience it can even help the right person. That said it's a sad snobby fact that you might find it harder to overcome at prestige dealer in a posh town, vs a volume place in large city.
japgt said:
Discrimination of any type is wrong in my eyes and I imagine most would agree with that, so my opinion is that society in general should not discriminate for any reason.
Should interviewers in dealerships discriminate between candidates who can sell cars and those who can't? Should hospitals discriminate between prospective surgeons with a medical qualification and those without?SoilPants said:
Should interviewers in dealerships discriminate between candidates who can sell cars and those who can't? Should hospitals discriminate between prospective surgeons with a medical qualification and those without?
Those 2 examples involve a genuine ability to carry out the job in question or not, having a tattoo doesnt automatically mean you are incapable of doing the job in question.DottyMR2 said:
Could you explain to me the corporate justification for this if you know it? What is the problem with it?
I've no idea of their reasoning. I suppose they can pick and choose who they want so cut down on the potential intake by discounting most people under 30 
. The amusing thing is there are plenty of folk covered in ink that they have no idea about.
japgt said:
TVR1- thats a good idea, I would feel a bit uncomfortable as its a bit deceitful towards the employer however if they then chose to withdraw an offer on that basis I wouldnt want to work for them anyway.
The reality is that in this business, first impression count.However, the motor trade in general is also a very forgiving brotherhood. Individuality, eventually, is a brilliant trait- we all love to rip the piss out of personal 'foibles'.
But you have have to be 'in' first.
I'll be honest, my first thought was 'get it bloody lasered then' but having looked at your other thread, that is clearly not an option.
But maybe it's not as bad as you think?
For once, and for the first time in PH history the following statement is true...
This thread is useless without pictures!
loose cannon said:
Try getting a job as a techie in a main dealer if your in the T.A
Hitting Tanks with hammers is not the same as repairing Canbus wiring or replacing seat covers without damaging anything or sorting an intermittent slight misfire. Tank/Landy 110 has to simply work Customers brand new Range Rover Sport has rattle from the nsf dash area when going over bumps. It's all about experience. Not that you were in the TA. And having met a former mechanic with the Army (not REME) he had a range of spanners. Normally 1/2oz through to 5lb-er
Delicate/refined he was not.jimbop1 said:
DocArbathnot said:
Why do anything that makes people hate you.
If someone doesn't care about this then why would I employ them.
Why would anyone hate him for having a visible tattoo?! If someone doesn't care about this then why would I employ them.
Saying that I know many technicians with tattoos on their arms. Less of an issue as not customer facing.
japgt said:
Discrimination of any type is wrong in my eyes and I imagine most would agree with that, so my opinion is that society in general should not discriminate for any reason. Why does having a tattoo allow someone to discriminate against that person, do we discriminate females for having their ears pierced?? Exactly the same thing in my opinion
If you actually think that the socially/universally accepted ear piercing is the same as a tattoo on your face. Then I worry for your future employment.Can we see a pic of your tattoo btw. Maybe it's mountain out of molehill.
It isn't discriminatory to form opinions about someone based on their chosen (as opposed to natural) appearance. It is what we all do, every day of the week, in social and business situations. A visible tattoo is something a person wishes others to see in order to say something about themselves, no different from growing one's hair long or wearing a huge beard.
It is perhaps unfortunate that the majority of people I have encountered with visible tats are unintelligent, often aggressive, belonging to social groups that I don't identify with, non-conformist, and with relaxed attitudes to timekeeping, discipline, personal hygiene and sobriety. None of this is a personal comment on you OP, who may well be the complete opposite of all those things, but if I choose to wear eighteen-hole DMs, turned-up jeans with red braces, a sleeveless t-shirt and a shaved head, you might just jump to a conclusion or two about me too.....
In a similar fashion, I assume people who can't spell or use apostrophes properly are stupid, and that the ideas they are trying to convey are worthless. Not discriminatory, nor always correct, just shaped by experience.
It is perhaps unfortunate that the majority of people I have encountered with visible tats are unintelligent, often aggressive, belonging to social groups that I don't identify with, non-conformist, and with relaxed attitudes to timekeeping, discipline, personal hygiene and sobriety. None of this is a personal comment on you OP, who may well be the complete opposite of all those things, but if I choose to wear eighteen-hole DMs, turned-up jeans with red braces, a sleeveless t-shirt and a shaved head, you might just jump to a conclusion or two about me too.....
In a similar fashion, I assume people who can't spell or use apostrophes properly are stupid, and that the ideas they are trying to convey are worthless. Not discriminatory, nor always correct, just shaped by experience.
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