Overtake haters

[WinstonWolf]

Your ICE probably startled him

[FakeConcern]

WinstonWolf said:

Your ICE probably startled him

Hmm, I had only watched it with mute on, sounds awful!
Not sure you could hear it outside the car though!

[Blakewater]

There is actually a junction near me where Earcroft Way goes right onto Bolton Road in two lanes and then merges back into one. A lot of people seem to consider it a sin to use the outside lane and at busy times in the evening they prefer to queue in one line all the way back to the motorway junction.

When I use the outside lane people will often willfully try to stop me merging in front of them by accelerating and trying to force me into oncoming traffic. Then if I do move across I'll get horn sounding, light flashing and coffee beans gestures. I even had the driver of a school minibus full of children from a local pious Christian school deliberately try to make me crash here by accelerating up my inside when he was already positioned behind me in the inside lane as I was in the outside lane when the lights changed and we went round the corner.

You can see the junction here. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Earcroft+Way/@...

[monthefish]

FakeConcern said:

On the way home this afternoon, I followed a 206 into NSL road and wait to see if it's going to go over 40MPH. It doesn't so I go past, staying within the limit. As I'm going past it first puts on right hand indicator, then when I'm in front flashes headlamps a few times. I've looked at my dash cam vids & it looks ok to me so what upset him/her?
Dashcam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWW5oiFbzAQ&fe...
And from the rear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dd7FEAA_vA&fe...

Can't see much wrong with that*, and I think that's a fairly good example of what's being talked about here i.e. unjustified flashing.

(* If we're being picky, it was perhaps a tiny bit tight for the oncoming car, and there was an unsighted minor left hand turn during your overtake that a vehicle might have emerged from, but overall fairly safe and didn't warrant a rebuke from the overtakee)

Edited by monthefish on Wednesday 12th March 14:10

[FakeConcern]

monthefish said:

Can't see much wrong with that*, and I think that's a fairly good example of what's being talked about here i.e. unjustified flashing.

(* If we're being picky, it was perhaps a tiny bit tight for the oncoming car, and there was an unsighted minor left hand turn during your overtake that a vehicle might have emerged from, but overall fairly safe and didn't warrant a rebuke from the overtakee)

Edited by monthefish on Wednesday 12th March 14:10

Thanks for looking at that. I thought it was ok, the car coming the other way did not flash & I can't say It seemed too close to me at the time. The left hand turn is actually a gate into a field. As you say why am I being rebuked for a legal overtake by someone doing just over 1/2 the allowed speed?

[Benbay001]

Just now.
Stream of 3 cars and a horse lorry at the front on a long straight with a roundabout at the end.
I go for multi car overtake, as i often do.
Its a genuinely thought out overtake, there is enough room between all the vehicles for me to comfortably and unobtrousively merge back into the line if something exits the roundabout, coming towards me.
The horse lorry is holding the traffic at a steady 35 mph.
I am now close enough to the roundabout that if try and pass one more car i will be merging back into traffic that is already slowing down for the roundabout.

So i brake (still on the off side of the road), put my indicator on and reduce my speed so that it matches the speed of the traffic i am merging into. Fine i thought, no one could take any objection to that, couldnt have possibly go smoother.

As i merge back in i get beeped by the Jazz driver that im now in front of. Looking in my mirror i can see he is straddling the white line doing some sort of hand gesture (i dont think he was swearing, but i cant be sure) i simply shrug (visibly to the car behind) and look back at the road.
Curiosity now has a hold. I check my mirror again and he is still gesturing at me.
I shrug again and look back at the road, by this time im a bit frustrated, i dont normally get angry at the wheel. In fact, i can quite honestly say i have never suffered road rage since i started driving.
I gave a hand gesture (the one which i suggests he plays with him self alot). And now im sat here feeling like a lemon. I dont get angry with people, its not me.
Semi-rant over.

[divetheworld]

FakeConcern said:

On the way home this afternoon, I followed a 206 into NSL road and wait to see if it's going to go over 40MPH. It doesn't so I go past, staying within the limit. As I'm going past it first puts on right hand indicator, then when I'm in front flashes headlamps a few times. I've looked at my dash cam vids & it looks ok to me so what upset him/her?
Dashcam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWW5oiFbzAQ&fe...
And from the rear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dd7FEAA_vA&fe...

You need a polarising filter on your front cam.

[FakeConcern]

divetheworld said:

FakeConcern said:

On the way home this afternoon, I followed a 206 into NSL road and wait to see if it's going to go over 40MPH. It doesn't so I go past, staying within the limit. As I'm going past it first puts on right hand indicator, then when I'm in front flashes headlamps a few times. I've looked at my dash cam vids & it looks ok to me so what upset him/her?
Dashcam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWW5oiFbzAQ&fe...
And from the rear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dd7FEAA_vA&fe...

You need a polarising filter on your front cam.

Have looked on ebay & not found one to fit!

[Ray Luxury-Yacht]

Years ago, I realised that there is a technique that prevents the 'overtakee' from reacting angrily, and giving it the high-beams.

I think that when someone reacts like this, it may be down to the 'overtaker' pulling back across the middle of the road too quickly, thus flicking up dust and small stones from the centreline, which pepper the 'overtakee's' car, and provokes a reaction.

Whenever I overtake, I make sure that there is loads of spare road in front of me. I pull into the other lane, go past, and stay in the other lane for a good few seconds before pulling back into the lane, by now at least a good 500 yards in front of the overtaken vehicle.

Doing so, kind of 'detaches' your vehicle from being an influence on the overtaken car - I am so far ahead of the overtaken car when I pull back in, I am not what I would call a vehicle that is in close enough proximity as to be considered offensive or annoying - and any dust and gravel my car kicks up is well back down onto the road surface before the overtakee reaches it.

Think about this next time you overtake - it is serving me well. I never get high-beams doing it this way.

[HertsBiker]

Yep, good point Ray.

[CB2152]

It is a good point, seperating you from them almost entirely. I would also say that not being on full turbo nutter exhaust screaming wide open throttle also helps. From experience, the overtakes I've done where I slide past rather than blast past have been met with a less aggressive reaction

That being said, I've just measured my prime overtaking spot on my commute.

270 yards give or take. I tend to be able to hang on to the opposing lane for a while as well so as to avoid the stone and debris flicking which R-L-Y mentioned. I await my flaming.

[Benbay001]

Ray Luxury-Yacht said:

Years ago, I realised that there is a technique that prevents the 'overtakee' from reacting angrily, and giving it the high-beams.

I think that when someone reacts like this, it may be down to the 'overtaker' pulling back across the middle of the road too quickly, thus flicking up dust and small stones from the centreline, which pepper the 'overtakee's' car, and provokes a reaction.

Whenever I overtake, I make sure that there is loads of spare road in front of me. I pull into the other lane, go past, and stay in the other lane for a good few seconds before pulling back into the lane, by now at least a good 500 yards in front of the overtaken vehicle.

Doing so, kind of 'detaches' your vehicle from being an influence on the overtaken car - I am so far ahead of the overtaken car when I pull back in, I am not what I would call a vehicle that is in close enough proximity as to be considered offensive or annoying - and any dust and gravel my car kicks up is well back down onto the road surface before the overtakee reaches it.

Think about this next time you overtake - it is serving me well. I never get high-beams doing it this way.

So do i.
But in the example i gave above that isnt possible.
I couldnt have been more courtious. They had loads of room, and i matched my speed to the traffic i was merging back into perfectly before i came back across.

[traffman]

FakeConcern said:

On the way home this afternoon, I followed a 206 into NSL road and wait to see if it's going to go over 40MPH. It doesn't so I go past, staying within the limit. As I'm going past it first puts on right hand indicator, then when I'm in front flashes headlamps a few times. I've looked at my dash cam vids & it looks ok to me so what upset him/her?
Dashcam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWW5oiFbzAQ&fe...
And from the rear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dd7FEAA_vA&fe...

Cant see anything wrong with that , plus i took the liberty of reducing my volume as mentioned by previous posters.

[V8RX7]

They seem to object more if I'm in a convertible than when I'm in my wife's saloon.

However the F150 / Ram makes some people really mad - I presume they think are "refusing to be intimidated" by their size

[g3org3y]

Ray Luxury-Yacht said:

Whenever I overtake, I make sure that there is loads of spare road in front of me. I pull into the other lane, go past, and stay in the other lane for a good few seconds before pulling back into the lane, by now at least a good 500 yards in front of the overtaken vehicle.

Agree in principle but at least 500 yards? Are you sure?

At 60mph, your TED before pulling back is 17 seconds!

IME 50-100 yards would be more reasonable.

[Tje]

Never had it when driving the golf. When I'm in the impreza it happens more often .

I don't think I drive much differently between the two cars, apart from the impreza is faster so I do overtake in shorter spaces, but still safe. I put it down to people thinking of it as a boy racers car, instead of a bog standard new gold

[havoc]

Tje said:

Never had it when driving the golf. When I'm in the impreza it happens more often .

I don't think I drive much differently between the two cars, apart from the impreza is faster so I do overtake in shorter spaces, but still safe. I put it down to people thinking of it as a boy racers car, instead of a bog standard new gold

This. Wife's Golf GTi doesn't tend to get much reaction at all. The big-wing on the Civic (and 8,000rpm) tends to get noticed a little bit more, and tends to get more adverse reactions. Which makes me think in a lot of cases the reaction from the other driver is emotional rather than borne out of genuine risk/danger.

[mclwanB]

havoc said:

Tje said:

Never had it when driving the golf. When I'm in the impreza it happens more often .

I don't think I drive much differently between the two cars, apart from the impreza is faster so I do overtake in shorter spaces, but still safe. I put it down to people thinking of it as a boy racers car, instead of a bog standard new gold

This. Wife's Golf GTi doesn't tend to get much reaction at all. The big-wing on the Civic (and 8,000rpm) tends to get noticed a little bit more, and tends to get more adverse reactions. Which makes me think in a lot of cases the reaction from the other driver is emotional rather than borne out of genuine risk/danger.

Haven't read the whole thing but Skodaitis (defn: disgust at being overtaken by a Skoda, usually worse in a higher class of car, that results in overtakee flooring their car)- even on the Motorway- is so bad I'm not sure I'd get another! That and the piston going through the block at 63K and gearbox failure at 105K

[RemaL]

I notice more and more people getting annoyed when you overtake them safely.

I've been waved at and a flash of the lights when on my Motorcycle, Kit car and road care.

I just put it down to they feel you should not overtake anyone unless on the motorway/bypass

Sod em

[Puddenchucker]

I have no particular problem with being overtaken, just so long as it's done with a reasonable level of observation, consideration and skill.

Unlike this: