RE: Maserati Ghibli S: Review
Discussion
It may look nice but the styling isn't very special. BMW, Mazda, Hyundai, Kia, Ford and Jaguar all have the same new aggressive look and despite the badge, this doesn't stand out.
Why can't maserati do what they did back in the 70s? They had great cars to rival that of ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, corvette and De tomaso. I think Merak, Ghibli (old), Khamsin and Bora rather than this.
Why can't maserati do what they did back in the 70s? They had great cars to rival that of ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, corvette and De tomaso. I think Merak, Ghibli (old), Khamsin and Bora rather than this.
Is the Jaguar AJ-126 V6 engine available in the XJ in naturally aspirated form? Is either variant available in the XF (presumably rather cheaper than the XFR)? I take it the S/C V6 has replaced the N/A version of the V8.
Sorry, I'm not a Jaguar fanboy, but I'd much rather have either the XJ or XF than the Ghibli.
It used to be that Maserati was possibly the coolest carmaker in the world, with stuff like the Mistral, the Indy, the Bora, the Khamsin, the third-gen Quattroporte, the original Ghibli, and that's before we explore the gorgeous cars they made in the 50s and 60s, which I can't be bothered to list.
Now? Frankly, the Infiniti lookalike is prettier than the Ghibli, and the XF (while it looks awkward and nose-heavy in photos) is better still. The Ghibli just isn't distinctive or attractive enough. If it's built on the 300C platform, that's disappointing, because, lest we forget, that platform is TWENTY YEARS OLD. It started life as the W210 E-class Mercedes.
Sorry, I'm not a Jaguar fanboy, but I'd much rather have either the XJ or XF than the Ghibli.
It used to be that Maserati was possibly the coolest carmaker in the world, with stuff like the Mistral, the Indy, the Bora, the Khamsin, the third-gen Quattroporte, the original Ghibli, and that's before we explore the gorgeous cars they made in the 50s and 60s, which I can't be bothered to list.
Now? Frankly, the Infiniti lookalike is prettier than the Ghibli, and the XF (while it looks awkward and nose-heavy in photos) is better still. The Ghibli just isn't distinctive or attractive enough. If it's built on the 300C platform, that's disappointing, because, lest we forget, that platform is TWENTY YEARS OLD. It started life as the W210 E-class Mercedes.
It's an interesting review, but doesn't match up to my experience of the car at all.
I currently drive a Jaguar XF S (Diesel) and I was very curious about how the Ghibli would compare. My heart had already overruled my head and I had decided that even if it was only half decent I was going to order a Ghibli anyway.
As it happens, I was hugely impressed with the car. Looks are subjective, but I think it is beautiful and distinctive. It also drives really well, it has a 'tightness' to it that is very impressive. There is a lot of grip, the (diesel) engine is as strong as you need and the car shrinks around you on the move in a way that the XF does not. The Jag is a car you sit on, where as the Ghibli is a car you are part of.
Anyway, the order is in and later in the year I shall look forward to the feel good factor of jumping into a Maser every morning!
I currently drive a Jaguar XF S (Diesel) and I was very curious about how the Ghibli would compare. My heart had already overruled my head and I had decided that even if it was only half decent I was going to order a Ghibli anyway.
As it happens, I was hugely impressed with the car. Looks are subjective, but I think it is beautiful and distinctive. It also drives really well, it has a 'tightness' to it that is very impressive. There is a lot of grip, the (diesel) engine is as strong as you need and the car shrinks around you on the move in a way that the XF does not. The Jag is a car you sit on, where as the Ghibli is a car you are part of.
Anyway, the order is in and later in the year I shall look forward to the feel good factor of jumping into a Maser every morning!
The Crack Fox said:
SAJ1000 said:
It's an interesting review, but doesn't match up to my experience of the car at all.
...the order is in and later in the year I shall look forward to the feel good factor of jumping into a Maser every morning!
Let's have some pictures when yours is delivered, please ...the order is in and later in the year I shall look forward to the feel good factor of jumping into a Maser every morning!
SAJ1000 said:
That's a deal. I have gone for Blu Passione (the traditional darker blue that has always been my favourite Maserati colour) over Cuoio leather. It needed the big wheels too..
That's just about my perfect spec for this car. I too have been massively keen on the idea of a Maser as a daily driver but alas, work/family committments mean I'll probably have to settle for something less expensive (ironically, probably an XF S).CatScan said:
Nope, the only NA engine JLR currently offer is the V8 in the XK, all others have been replaced with the AJ126 S/C. The Ford Cleveland V6 3.0L that was offered in the XF and XJ (in certain markets) has been replaced with a derivative of the Ford 2.0L Ecoboost.
I thought the base model F-type has a N/A AJ126?SAJ1000 said:
The Crack Fox said:
SAJ1000 said:
It's an interesting review, but doesn't match up to my experience of the car at all.
...the order is in and later in the year I shall look forward to the feel good factor of jumping into a Maser every morning!
Let's have some pictures when yours is delivered, please ...the order is in and later in the year I shall look forward to the feel good factor of jumping into a Maser every morning!
As for the review that prompted this thread, it was very poor. Too short, not well written and as mentioned above, indirectly sponsored by BMW. No, it's not an M5. It's a Maserati. If somebody doesn't get that, that's OK, their loss. Dan Prosser, you could have done so much more than that. I do hope you don't claim a full time salary from PH because that review lacked effort. C- must try harder.
What I find annoying is they don't list the option pricing on the configurator, why is that a secret? If they want to compete against Audi/Merc/BMW they need to be more accessible and transparent.
Oh and the configurator is pants, websites are your handshake to the world these days, they need to go on the competitions sites and see how to do it.
I'm tempted by the petrol Ghibli in Grigio though with 20" wheels, extended leather, Nav and heated seats.
Oh and the configurator is pants, websites are your handshake to the world these days, they need to go on the competitions sites and see how to do it.
I'm tempted by the petrol Ghibli in Grigio though with 20" wheels, extended leather, Nav and heated seats.
RoverP6B said:
Is the Jaguar AJ-126 V6 engine available in the XJ in naturally aspirated form? Is either variant available in the XF (presumably rather cheaper than the XFR)? I take it the S/C V6 has replaced the N/A version of the V8.
Sorry, I'm not a Jaguar fanboy, but I'd much rather have either the XJ or XF than the Ghibli.
It used to be that Maserati was possibly the coolest carmaker in the world, with stuff like the Mistral, the Indy, the Bora, the Khamsin, the third-gen Quattroporte, the original Ghibli, and that's before we explore the gorgeous cars they made in the 50s and 60s, which I can't be bothered to list.
Now? Frankly, the Infiniti lookalike is prettier than the Ghibli, and the XF (while it looks awkward and nose-heavy in photos) is better still. The Ghibli just isn't distinctive or attractive enough. If it's built on the 300C platform, that's disappointing, because, lest we forget, that platform is TWENTY YEARS OLD. It started life as the W210 E-class Mercedes.
Its the old 300C that had the 2nd hand E-class platform, you know the one from the early 2000's that people stuck Bentley badges on.Sorry, I'm not a Jaguar fanboy, but I'd much rather have either the XJ or XF than the Ghibli.
It used to be that Maserati was possibly the coolest carmaker in the world, with stuff like the Mistral, the Indy, the Bora, the Khamsin, the third-gen Quattroporte, the original Ghibli, and that's before we explore the gorgeous cars they made in the 50s and 60s, which I can't be bothered to list.
Now? Frankly, the Infiniti lookalike is prettier than the Ghibli, and the XF (while it looks awkward and nose-heavy in photos) is better still. The Ghibli just isn't distinctive or attractive enough. If it's built on the 300C platform, that's disappointing, because, lest we forget, that platform is TWENTY YEARS OLD. It started life as the W210 E-class Mercedes.
The new platform is done from the ground up.
900T-R said:
Sticky, lifeless steering, eh? Well, the Alfa MiTo's was diabolical at first and, I gather, never became much good; the Alfa 4C has had a fair bit of criticism leveled at its steering (even if it doesn't feature EPS at all) - do I sense a theme developing at Fiat Group?
It sounds like the blame for consistently snatching defeat from the jaws of victory over the past five years or so, should firmly lay at the feet of Fiat Group's dynamic development team.
There should be a chap or two at Lotus who feel their future might be less than certain and would fancy a positive change in the weather, too...
You may well be right but any system will be tuned in partnership It sounds like the blame for consistently snatching defeat from the jaws of victory over the past five years or so, should firmly lay at the feet of Fiat Group's dynamic development team.
There should be a chap or two at Lotus who feel their future might be less than certain and would fancy a positive change in the weather, too... with the EPAS supplier, so it's possible that either the technology or the dynamics guys they supply are limited for whatever reason.
Either way something's missing
sjn2004 said:
Its the old 300C that had the 2nd hand E-class platform, you know the one from the early 2000's that people stuck Bentley badges on.
The new platform is done from the ground up.
I was under the impression that the second-generation 300C was nothing more than a restyle and limited mechanical update of the old one, that the platform was the same.The new platform is done from the ground up.
RoverP6B said:
I was under the impression that the second-generation 300C was nothing more than a restyle and limited mechanical update of the old one, that the platform was the same.
I thought so too but the wheelbase seems to have increased by 2mm and it has new multi-link suspension and hydraulic bushes so does appear to have had a regeneration though I suspect it was based on the old one fundamentally. It's still all steel and weighs as much as the Titanic.For me this is where Maserati go like modern Alfa's (Guillietta, Mito etc) they're probably better cars in technical terms, reliability and practicality etc than their predecessors but they've lost what made them special. plus in the areas they've improved they're still not as good as their rivals so it's a lose/lose
A much, much more balanced and interesting review.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/maserati/ghibl...
Dan Prosser, take note.
Wills, the engines are not built by Ferrari. They are built alongside the Ferrari engines but by a wholly Maserati team. It is expected that the block will make an appearance in a future Ferrari, with some tweaks of course, but right now it is 100% Maserati.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/maserati/ghibl...
Dan Prosser, take note.
Wills, the engines are not built by Ferrari. They are built alongside the Ferrari engines but by a wholly Maserati team. It is expected that the block will make an appearance in a future Ferrari, with some tweaks of course, but right now it is 100% Maserati.
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