RE: McLaren P1: Driven
Discussion
EvoTV - Dickie Meaden gets a bit breathless in the P1
Another drive^^^ Pretty much the same result as when CH drove it, just with less references to it being a "whole new thing"..... (sorry CH! ;-)
(But, if you're a PH armchair expert, don't let that put you off complaining that the car hasn't got enough battery, should have regen, needs an LSD, weighs too much, (<<< delete as appropriate ;-)
Another drive^^^ Pretty much the same result as when CH drove it, just with less references to it being a "whole new thing"..... (sorry CH! ;-)
(But, if you're a PH armchair expert, don't let that put you off complaining that the car hasn't got enough battery, should have regen, needs an LSD, weighs too much, (<<< delete as appropriate ;-)
Evo have really nailed the best exhaust flame shots out of all the reviews I have seen!!
That was exciting just to watch, I cannot imagine actually driving it.
The one thing common from watching all the P1 videos is just the pure, unbridled joy on the faces of the journo's. As Dickie mentions there, they drive fasts cars a lot, you must become jaded and desensitised to it.
The P1 simply removes that veil and takes things to another level.
That was exciting just to watch, I cannot imagine actually driving it.
The one thing common from watching all the P1 videos is just the pure, unbridled joy on the faces of the journo's. As Dickie mentions there, they drive fasts cars a lot, you must become jaded and desensitised to it.
The P1 simply removes that veil and takes things to another level.
GALLARDOGUY said:
It seems that, to drive it, is to love it.
Every single person who has got behind the wheel, is dumbfounded.
918 simply isn't having the effect.
Indeed. Every review of the 918 has said it's nearest rival performance wise is a 2 litre diesel A4Every single person who has got behind the wheel, is dumbfounded.
918 simply isn't having the effect.
Try and remain some perspective.
Hammond loved the 918. Some will prefer it over P1. Both cars are very, very fast. And I want to see both cars, same track, same day for the next reviews. I don't know which is "best". Just that some of the comments we see on here are so cringeworthy 
Re the Evo vid. Far better than Harris effort for the driving part. BTW Did Meaden drive the 918 at all?
Rich_W said:
Indeed. Every review of the 918 has said it's nearest rival performance wise is a 2 litre diesel A4
Try and remain some perspective. Hammond loved the 918. Some will prefer it over P1. Both cars are very, very fast. And I want to see both cars, same track, same day for the next reviews. I don't know which is "best". Just that some of the comments we see on here are so cringeworthy
Re the Evo vid. Far better than Harris effort for the driving part. BTW Did Meaden drive the 918 at all?
There are three reviews I have read/watched for the P1 from journalists who have also driven the 918, and all three have been successful in racing at various times - Steve Sutcliffe, Chris Harris and Richard Meaden. All three have said that the P1 is in a different league to anything else they have driven - look how often Chris Harris says it is a new thing. Hammond has not driven the P1 as far as I can tell, and Clarkson hasn't driven a 918.Try and remain some perspective.
Hammond loved the 918. Some will prefer it over P1. Both cars are very, very fast. And I want to see both cars, same track, same day for the next reviews. I don't know which is "best". Just that some of the comments we see on here are so cringeworthy Re the Evo vid. Far better than Harris effort for the driving part. BTW Did Meaden drive the 918 at all?
And whilst plenty may disagree, I also preferred Richard Meaden's video review to the one from Chris Harris for the driving section, although Chris did a much better write up which really explained how it felt to drive and what it was doing in a way Dickie didn't. All in my opinion of course.
andyps said:
Rich_W said:
Indeed. Every review of the 918 has said it's nearest rival performance wise is a 2 litre diesel A4
Try and remain some perspective. Hammond loved the 918. Some will prefer it over P1. Both cars are very, very fast. And I want to see both cars, same track, same day for the next reviews. I don't know which is "best". Just that some of the comments we see on here are so cringeworthy
Re the Evo vid. Far better than Harris effort for the driving part. BTW Did Meaden drive the 918 at all?
There are three reviews I have read/watched for the P1 from journalists who have also driven the 918, and all three have been successful in racing at various times - Steve Sutcliffe, Chris Harris and Richard Meaden. All three have said that the P1 is in a different league to anything else they have driven - look how often Chris Harris says it is a new thing. Hammond has not driven the P1 as far as I can tell, and Clarkson hasn't driven a 918.Try and remain some perspective.
Hammond loved the 918. Some will prefer it over P1. Both cars are very, very fast. And I want to see both cars, same track, same day for the next reviews. I don't know which is "best". Just that some of the comments we see on here are so cringeworthy Re the Evo vid. Far better than Harris effort for the driving part. BTW Did Meaden drive the 918 at all?
And whilst plenty may disagree, I also preferred Richard Meaden's video review to the one from Chris Harris for the driving section, although Chris did a much better write up which really explained how it felt to drive and what it was doing in a way Dickie didn't. All in my opinion of course.
It's fair to say that any 900bhp car with lots of aero and suspension required for such an aero-optimised car will be more thrilling than a normal road car using primarily gravity for grip and a suspension that is designed to work in a town and country roads as well as on track.
The only real fair test as far as excitement may go for judging them as road cars will come when they can both be tested on the road, side by side. And I don't mean driving up and down a dual carriageway at sedate speeds, I mean Evo Triangle type roads...
Suddenly everything changes in those conditions vs track ones. I'll be interested to see how the cars come across in those conditions!
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
The P1 is clearly better than the 918 on track because it has all that down-force and a track-spec suspension in the appropriate settings.
It's fair to say that any 900bhp car with lots of aero and suspension required for such an aero-optimised car will be more thrilling than a normal road car using primarily gravity for grip and a suspension that is designed to work in a town and country roads as well as on track.
The only real fair test as far as excitement may go for judging them as road cars will come when they can both be tested on the road, side by side. And I don't mean driving up and down a dual carriageway at sedate speeds, I mean Evo Triangle type roads...
Suddenly everything changes in those conditions vs track ones. I'll be interested to see how the cars come across in those conditions!
Dave
Well it's been said it does at least ride well on roads. Did you watch the part of the video when they said it was a road car as well as a track car? It's fair to say that any 900bhp car with lots of aero and suspension required for such an aero-optimised car will be more thrilling than a normal road car using primarily gravity for grip and a suspension that is designed to work in a town and country roads as well as on track.
The only real fair test as far as excitement may go for judging them as road cars will come when they can both be tested on the road, side by side. And I don't mean driving up and down a dual carriageway at sedate speeds, I mean Evo Triangle type roads...
Suddenly everything changes in those conditions vs track ones. I'll be interested to see how the cars come across in those conditions!
Dave
E65Ross said:
Mr Whippy said:
The P1 is clearly better than the 918 on track because it has all that down-force and a track-spec suspension in the appropriate settings.
It's fair to say that any 900bhp car with lots of aero and suspension required for such an aero-optimised car will be more thrilling than a normal road car using primarily gravity for grip and a suspension that is designed to work in a town and country roads as well as on track.
The only real fair test as far as excitement may go for judging them as road cars will come when they can both be tested on the road, side by side. And I don't mean driving up and down a dual carriageway at sedate speeds, I mean Evo Triangle type roads...
Suddenly everything changes in those conditions vs track ones. I'll be interested to see how the cars come across in those conditions!
Dave
Well it's been said it does at least ride well on roads. Did you watch the part of the video when they said it was a road car as well as a track car? It's fair to say that any 900bhp car with lots of aero and suspension required for such an aero-optimised car will be more thrilling than a normal road car using primarily gravity for grip and a suspension that is designed to work in a town and country roads as well as on track.
The only real fair test as far as excitement may go for judging them as road cars will come when they can both be tested on the road, side by side. And I don't mean driving up and down a dual carriageway at sedate speeds, I mean Evo Triangle type roads...
Suddenly everything changes in those conditions vs track ones. I'll be interested to see how the cars come across in those conditions!
Dave
Obviously given the suspension capabilities of the P1 it can be better in theory for both road and track applications going from soft to very stiff, this allowing very high down force on track with very stiff suspension.
But on the road as road cars then the playing field is levelled quite a lot. So testing there and comparisons side by side will be really interesting
CraigyMc said:
mikebradford said:
Autocar, have a full roadtest of the P1 with the usual performance figures etc.
Yeah but they do tend to get data wrong a lot.Autocar have been THE benchmark for car stats (at least in Europe) since forever.
They usually qualify the when and where of their results - and then people compare them to "a run a guy did on a track somewhere with a data recorder" and declare then 'wrong'!?!?
I'd trust them way ahead of almost anyone else - if they get lower-than-promised stats it's either down the car not being 100% or some other factor.
Unless it's a BMW, when we know it's just "lies lies and more lies" from the factory ;0
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