HELP - buying a uninsured & SORN car and drive it away ?
Discussion
The tax cant be sold with the car now anyway, so the old keeper cant tax it for the new keeper...
.gov.uk said:
Buying or selling a vehicle
When buying a used vehicle you will be able to use the V5C/2 - new keeper supplement to pay vehicle tax at a Post Office branch, along with the MOT certificate (if applicable) and fee. From 1 October 2014 you will also be able to pay vehicle tax using the V5C/2 online or by phone.
When selling a vehicle to a new vehicle keeper, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferable. Vehicle tax will end when a vehicle is sold and the new keeper will need to get the vehicle taxed immediately before the vehicle can be used.
When buying a used vehicle you will be able to use the V5C/2 - new keeper supplement to pay vehicle tax at a Post Office branch, along with the MOT certificate (if applicable) and fee. From 1 October 2014 you will also be able to pay vehicle tax using the V5C/2 online or by phone.
When selling a vehicle to a new vehicle keeper, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferable. Vehicle tax will end when a vehicle is sold and the new keeper will need to get the vehicle taxed immediately before the vehicle can be used.
TallPaul said:
The tax cant be sold with the car now anyway, so the old keeper cant tax it for the new keeper...
From 1 Oct 14 , thats when we will no longer have tax discs and you will then pay monthly by direct debit . Right now its still transferable.gov.uk said:
Buying or selling a vehicle
When buying a used vehicle you will be able to use the V5C/2 - new keeper supplement to pay vehicle tax at a Post Office branch, along with the MOT certificate (if applicable) and fee. From 1 October 2014 you will also be able to pay vehicle tax using the V5C/2 online or by phone.
When selling a vehicle to a new vehicle keeper, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferable. Vehicle tax will end when a vehicle is sold and the new keeper will need to get the vehicle taxed immediately before the vehicle can be used.
When buying a used vehicle you will be able to use the V5C/2 - new keeper supplement to pay vehicle tax at a Post Office branch, along with the MOT certificate (if applicable) and fee. From 1 October 2014 you will also be able to pay vehicle tax using the V5C/2 online or by phone.
When selling a vehicle to a new vehicle keeper, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferable. Vehicle tax will end when a vehicle is sold and the new keeper will need to get the vehicle taxed immediately before the vehicle can be used.
Camoradi said:
1) Book the car in for an MOT at a garage in a location where your house is en route from the seller's house to the garage.
2) Drive the car to it's pre booked MOT, passing your house on the way
3) "Break down" outside your house
4) Cancel MOT booking
Exemption only applies if vehicle does not currently have an MOT, AFAIK2) Drive the car to it's pre booked MOT, passing your house on the way
3) "Break down" outside your house
4) Cancel MOT booking
Ozzie Osmond said:
The only exemption I know is where a new tax disc has been applied for online and you get 14 days grace for displaying it. This appl;ies on tax disc renewals but I don't know if it applies when a car is being first registered or taken off SORN.
Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 said:
33A Not exhibiting licence: period of grace
(1)A person is not guilty of an offence under subsection (1) or (1A) of section 33 by using or keeping a vehicle on a public road during any of the following periods.
First registration
The period of 14 days beginning with the day on which the vehicle is first registered under this Act.
Change of keeper
The period of 14 days beginning with the day on which a new licence or nil licence is issued for the vehicle because of a change in the person by whom the vehicle is being kept.
Renewal etc.
The period of 14 days following the time when a licence or nil licence for or in respect of the vehicle, or a relevant declaration applying to the vehicle, ceases to be in force, but only if an application for a licence or nil licence for or in respect of the vehicle to run from that time has been received before that time.
Replacement
The period beginning with the time when a licence or nil licence that is in force for or in respect of the vehicle is delivered to the Secretary of State with an application for a replacement licence, and ending with the time when the replacement licence is obtained.
(2)For the purposes of this section—
(a)there is a relevant declaration applying to a vehicle if the particulars and declaration required to be furnished and made by regulations under section 22(1D) have been furnished and made in relation to the vehicle in accordance with the regulations, and
(b)the relevant declaration ceases to be in force if, after the particulars and declaration have been furnished and made the vehicle is used or kept on a public road (otherwise than under a trade licence).”
(3)In consequence of the provision made by subsections (1) and (2) omit—
(a)section 147 of FA 2008, and
(b)in regulation 6 of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002 (S.I. 2002/2742), paragraph (1) and, in paragraph (2), the words “Except where paragraph (1) applies,”.
(1)A person is not guilty of an offence under subsection (1) or (1A) of section 33 by using or keeping a vehicle on a public road during any of the following periods.
First registration
The period of 14 days beginning with the day on which the vehicle is first registered under this Act.
Change of keeper
The period of 14 days beginning with the day on which a new licence or nil licence is issued for the vehicle because of a change in the person by whom the vehicle is being kept.
Renewal etc.
The period of 14 days following the time when a licence or nil licence for or in respect of the vehicle, or a relevant declaration applying to the vehicle, ceases to be in force, but only if an application for a licence or nil licence for or in respect of the vehicle to run from that time has been received before that time.
Replacement
The period beginning with the time when a licence or nil licence that is in force for or in respect of the vehicle is delivered to the Secretary of State with an application for a replacement licence, and ending with the time when the replacement licence is obtained.
(2)For the purposes of this section—
(a)there is a relevant declaration applying to a vehicle if the particulars and declaration required to be furnished and made by regulations under section 22(1D) have been furnished and made in relation to the vehicle in accordance with the regulations, and
(b)the relevant declaration ceases to be in force if, after the particulars and declaration have been furnished and made the vehicle is used or kept on a public road (otherwise than under a trade licence).”
(3)In consequence of the provision made by subsections (1) and (2) omit—
(a)section 147 of FA 2008, and
(b)in regulation 6 of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002 (S.I. 2002/2742), paragraph (1) and, in paragraph (2), the words “Except where paragraph (1) applies,”.
7s2000 said:
Thanks all. Car is roadworthy with MOT but just uninsured & SORN. The pain is I cannot test drive the car *legally* before buying it...
1a. Get insurance in advance, making sure the policy comes from somebody with a half-way sensible cooling-off cancellation policy. Test drive car, insured, but not taxed. (OOooh. Live dangerously.) If the car's a shed, cancel policy. If the car's right, buy it, tax at PO.7s2000 said:
Thank you. Just came back from the post office and she asked me to ring DVLA to ask instead - if the car iS UNINSURED & SORN, can we still buy tax disc at the PO with only the V5 and MOT? My doubts are if their system at the PO will decline it if car is uninsured?
I would forget the SORN bit as the moment you buy the car it isn't sorned any more so you have to tax and insure it or re-SORN it. The problem with the insurance is that unlike the MOT system it isn't immediately updated so you'll probably need the certificate.Do you have breakdown cover?
If the car looks like it's worth buying, call your breakdown company who will carry it all the way home for you without being bothered about tax or insurance.
Just make sure you create a fault where it's not easily spotted for a roadside fix! Remove the fuel pump fuse, chop one leg off and refit for example.
If the car looks like it's worth buying, call your breakdown company who will carry it all the way home for you without being bothered about tax or insurance.
Just make sure you create a fault where it's not easily spotted for a roadside fix! Remove the fuel pump fuse, chop one leg off and refit for example.
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