RE: Chris Harris video: F-Type Coupe
Discussion
Lost soul said:
he did not really like it did he 
I genuinely got this impression. I believe that he prefers an equivalent Porsche any day of the week but doesn't want to say so due to all the Porsche stigma. Plus, it is a decent car in its own right, just a Porsche suits Harris' expectations perfectly. Seemed like skin deep enjoyment to me.chelme said:
Nice. I have just read so much crap about the car...'steering which lacks feel, scary back end i.e. no warning before breakaway' 'unreliable' etc. I take it that from your experience its more involving than the other cars you have had. Any negatives?
Yes those you listed!No only joking. It is a handful in the wet as the power delivery comes in a big rush from the twin turbo's so it does take some getting used to. Saying that if you like to have some oversteer fun it is so easy to do so,....
In sport mode the steering is much better and does have more feel.
There are some problems with it in terms of design flaws like the DBW throttle which needs replacing for a contact less type and that is a must do so if buying one check the that the throttle body and pedal potentiometer have been replaced. Other than that the cars like to be driven and the engines are very reliable. Starter motors can cause problems but as I said a lot of the common issues are very well documented on forums like sportsmaserati.com.
Carl_Docklands said:
As someone who watches all of his videos, alot of water has gone under the bridge in the 3 years the 991 was released. It has now been super-seeded by a very fine Jaguar coupe.
In addition to that, the subsequent 991 releases have been a bit underwhelming and the GT3 launch has been a disaster.
So yeah, having a Jaguar bettering a 991 in many departments does make the 911 look a bit weak, it is not supposed to be like this, Jaguar have torn up the script.
This could be the 911 Carrera's GT-R moment, a time where Porsche throw the book at the 911 Carrera and sort out all of its shortcomings due to a new competitor.
A kick-up the backside is what Porsche needed with the 991, it will have focused them for the Generation 2 991 which should be breaking cover in the dying days of 2014. What is worrying as a Porsche fan, is that Porsche do not usually perform significant design surgery to their Gen 2 cars, but the 991 really does need it.
I don't agree, the 911 bests the F-type in most objective matters, lighter/faster round a track/more efficient/better interior/more space/up to date in car tech etc....In addition to that, the subsequent 991 releases have been a bit underwhelming and the GT3 launch has been a disaster.
So yeah, having a Jaguar bettering a 991 in many departments does make the 911 look a bit weak, it is not supposed to be like this, Jaguar have torn up the script.
This could be the 911 Carrera's GT-R moment, a time where Porsche throw the book at the 911 Carrera and sort out all of its shortcomings due to a new competitor.
A kick-up the backside is what Porsche needed with the 991, it will have focused them for the Generation 2 991 which should be breaking cover in the dying days of 2014. What is worrying as a Porsche fan, is that Porsche do not usually perform significant design surgery to their Gen 2 cars, but the 991 really does need it.
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Thursday 27th March 20:33
I drove my old 997 back to back against a 991 and the steering is fine on the 991, I came away thinking what an amazing car the 991 is.
Porsche also do with 400hp what Jag can only achieve with 550hp 2 years later.
A fine car no doubt but to say this Jag makes the 991 look weak, in just one area that most buyers either don't care about or aren't aware of?
Wills2 said:
I don't agree, the 911 bests the F-type in most objective matters, lighter/faster round a track/more efficient/better interior/more space/up to date in car tech etc....
Drove a V8-S back to back with a new 911S on the track. No comparison, the F-Type ate it. You need the Turbo to best the V8-S and that costs 50% more. Hate the dated 911 interior and exterior looks as well, disagree totally that the VW interior is better, all those switches, very cluttered.
What a great thing.
One small issue though, am I alone in thinking that the central exit exhausts on the V6 look much better than the quad tailpipes of the V8?
I wonder if there would be any way of engineering a central style exhaust onto the V8 (not that I'm in a position to buy one of these cars (yet)).
One small issue though, am I alone in thinking that the central exit exhausts on the V6 look much better than the quad tailpipes of the V8?
I wonder if there would be any way of engineering a central style exhaust onto the V8 (not that I'm in a position to buy one of these cars (yet)).
Wills2 said:
Carl_Docklands said:
As someone who watches all of his videos, alot of water has gone under the bridge in the 3 years the 991 was released. It has now been super-seeded by a very fine Jaguar coupe.
In addition to that, the subsequent 991 releases have been a bit underwhelming and the GT3 launch has been a disaster.
So yeah, having a Jaguar bettering a 991 in many departments does make the 911 look a bit weak, it is not supposed to be like this, Jaguar have torn up the script.
This could be the 911 Carrera's GT-R moment, a time where Porsche throw the book at the 911 Carrera and sort out all of its shortcomings due to a new competitor.
A kick-up the backside is what Porsche needed with the 991, it will have focused them for the Generation 2 991 which should be breaking cover in the dying days of 2014. What is worrying as a Porsche fan, is that Porsche do not usually perform significant design surgery to their Gen 2 cars, but the 991 really does need it.
I don't agree, the 911 bests the F-type in most objective matters, lighter/faster round a track/more efficient/better interior/more space/up to date in car tech etc....In addition to that, the subsequent 991 releases have been a bit underwhelming and the GT3 launch has been a disaster.
So yeah, having a Jaguar bettering a 991 in many departments does make the 911 look a bit weak, it is not supposed to be like this, Jaguar have torn up the script.
This could be the 911 Carrera's GT-R moment, a time where Porsche throw the book at the 911 Carrera and sort out all of its shortcomings due to a new competitor.
A kick-up the backside is what Porsche needed with the 991, it will have focused them for the Generation 2 991 which should be breaking cover in the dying days of 2014. What is worrying as a Porsche fan, is that Porsche do not usually perform significant design surgery to their Gen 2 cars, but the 991 really does need it.
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Thursday 27th March 20:33
I drove my old 997 back to back against a 991 and the steering is fine on the 991, I came away thinking what an amazing car the 991 is.
Porsche also do with 400hp what Jag can only achieve with 550hp 2 years later.
A fine car no doubt but to say this Jag makes the 991 look weak, in just one area that most buyers either don't care about or aren't aware of?
I doubt the market cares too much that the 991 is quicker around the track than the F-Type in the same way that the GT-R is quicker than the Turbo and the Turbo is arguably more efficient than the GT-R.
These cars are so quick on the road now that these factors are on the list for petrolheads but they do not figure as high as they used to.
I would take the Jaguar's interior over the 991's simply because the Jaguar is designed in a more sporty manner and not taken from a Limo. Porsche need to throw out the Limo/SUV interior on the 991 and start again with the 918 interior as it's base.
It comes to something when Jaguar build a car with better steering feel than a 911. This tells you all you need to know about the slow decline of the 911 and the failure of the 991 to re-ignite the enthusiasm we had with the Gen2 997.
Carl_Docklands said:
Wills2 said:
Carl_Docklands said:
As someone who watches all of his videos, alot of water has gone under the bridge in the 3 years the 991 was released. It has now been super-seeded by a very fine Jaguar coupe.
In addition to that, the subsequent 991 releases have been a bit underwhelming and the GT3 launch has been a disaster.
So yeah, having a Jaguar bettering a 991 in many departments does make the 911 look a bit weak, it is not supposed to be like this, Jaguar have torn up the script.
This could be the 911 Carrera's GT-R moment, a time where Porsche throw the book at the 911 Carrera and sort out all of its shortcomings due to a new competitor.
A kick-up the backside is what Porsche needed with the 991, it will have focused them for the Generation 2 991 which should be breaking cover in the dying days of 2014. What is worrying as a Porsche fan, is that Porsche do not usually perform significant design surgery to their Gen 2 cars, but the 991 really does need it.
I don't agree, the 911 bests the F-type in most objective matters, lighter/faster round a track/more efficient/better interior/more space/up to date in car tech etc....In addition to that, the subsequent 991 releases have been a bit underwhelming and the GT3 launch has been a disaster.
So yeah, having a Jaguar bettering a 991 in many departments does make the 911 look a bit weak, it is not supposed to be like this, Jaguar have torn up the script.
This could be the 911 Carrera's GT-R moment, a time where Porsche throw the book at the 911 Carrera and sort out all of its shortcomings due to a new competitor.
A kick-up the backside is what Porsche needed with the 991, it will have focused them for the Generation 2 991 which should be breaking cover in the dying days of 2014. What is worrying as a Porsche fan, is that Porsche do not usually perform significant design surgery to their Gen 2 cars, but the 991 really does need it.
Edited by Carl_Docklands on Thursday 27th March 20:33
I drove my old 997 back to back against a 991 and the steering is fine on the 991, I came away thinking what an amazing car the 991 is.
Porsche also do with 400hp what Jag can only achieve with 550hp 2 years later.
A fine car no doubt but to say this Jag makes the 991 look weak, in just one area that most buyers either don't care about or aren't aware of?
I doubt the market cares too much that the 991 is quicker around the track than the F-Type in the same way that the GT-R is quicker than the Turbo and the Turbo is arguably more efficient than the GT-R.
These cars are so quick on the road now that these factors are on the list for petrolheads but they do not figure as high as they used to.
I would take the Jaguar's interior over the 991's simply because the Jaguar is designed in a more sporty manner and not taken from a Limo. Porsche need to throw out the Limo/SUV interior on the 991 and start again with the 918 interior as it's base.
It comes to something when Jaguar build a car with better steering feel than a 911. This tells you all you need to know about the slow decline of the 911 and the failure of the 991 to re-ignite the enthusiasm we had with the Gen2 997.
I test drove a 911 2S last week in Wiltshire.
I went there to buy, had all the man maths stacked up..
It just didn't move me.
Blindingly quick, very hi tech....dull outside and in.
I thought it was just me so the wife had a go....she has loved our 3 prevous 911s.
Same reaction.
So I'll do the same soon with the Jag, I get the feeling it will be different.
V8 Engine in the right place , British, Beautiful.
If our car industry responds to what we want, we should support it.
Fingers crossed
I went there to buy, had all the man maths stacked up..
It just didn't move me.
Blindingly quick, very hi tech....dull outside and in.
I thought it was just me so the wife had a go....she has loved our 3 prevous 911s.
Same reaction.
So I'll do the same soon with the Jag, I get the feeling it will be different.
V8 Engine in the right place , British, Beautiful.
If our car industry responds to what we want, we should support it.
Fingers crossed
Really enjoyed the Video & love the car so much, it looks great sounds great plus offers great performance & as much as I respect the 911 it was nice to hear a little bit of honesty around its flaws, I am an old school manual gearbox fan but everyone I speak to goes crazy over the 8 speed ZF gearbox, plenty of want for this car.
cerb4.5lee said:
Really enjoyed the Video & love the car so much, it looks great sounds great plus offers great performance & as much as I respect the 911 it was nice to hear a little bit of honesty around its flaws, I am an old school manual gearbox fan but everyone I speak to goes crazy over the 8 speed ZF gearbox, plenty of want for this car.
Sure, it's great in my 330d, but the Porsche 6 speed manual is the one to go for. Everyone seems to have jumped on the 911 bashing bandwagon, and whilst I've never been a fan(outside of the GT models), I think my money would be on Cayman GTS up to £60K or F-Type Coupe R before a 911.CJP80 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Really enjoyed the Video & love the car so much, it looks great sounds great plus offers great performance & as much as I respect the 911 it was nice to hear a little bit of honesty around its flaws, I am an old school manual gearbox fan but everyone I speak to goes crazy over the 8 speed ZF gearbox, plenty of want for this car.
Sure, it's great in my 330d,It seems a classic example of how things improve so much over time because my gearbox is pretty hateful slow to react and not very smooth although I do like how relaxing it is when you aren't interested in gunning it everywhere.
cerb4.5lee said:
CJP80 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Really enjoyed the Video & love the car so much, it looks great sounds great plus offers great performance & as much as I respect the 911 it was nice to hear a little bit of honesty around its flaws, I am an old school manual gearbox fan but everyone I speak to goes crazy over the 8 speed ZF gearbox, plenty of want for this car.
Sure, it's great in my 330d,It seems a classic example of how things improve so much over time because my gearbox is pretty hateful slow to react and not very smooth although I do like how relaxing it is when you aren't interested in gunning it everywhere.
Honestly, smooth as silk.
cerb4.5lee said:
My only reservation is I have the ZF 6 speed in my 330i and its not that great to say the least but it does seem that they have really got their act together with the new 8 speed version and genuinely everyone I speak to loves it.
It seems a classic example of how things improve so much over time because my gearbox is pretty hateful slow to react and not very smooth although I do like how relaxing it is when you aren't interested in gunning it everywhere.
I have to agree. The ZF6 in my wife's 130 is not good. It seems fine in the bigger BMWs but in the 130 I just don't think they have got it right. It is far too slow to change and you can make better manual changes when semi pressing on. It seems a classic example of how things improve so much over time because my gearbox is pretty hateful slow to react and not very smooth although I do like how relaxing it is when you aren't interested in gunning it everywhere.
635csi said:
I test drove a 911 2S last week in Wiltshire.
I went there to buy, had all the man maths stacked up..
It just didn't move me.
Blindingly quick, very hi tech....dull outside and in.
I thought it was just me so the wife had a go....she has loved our 3 prevous 911s.
Same reaction.
So I'll do the same soon with the Jag, I get the feeling it will be different.
V8 Engine in the right place , British, Beautiful.
If our car industry responds to what we want, we should support it.
Fingers crossed
Fully agree the 991 just does not do it for me,it just seems bland where i think the Jag is a more extrovert, exciting car.I went there to buy, had all the man maths stacked up..
It just didn't move me.
Blindingly quick, very hi tech....dull outside and in.
I thought it was just me so the wife had a go....she has loved our 3 prevous 911s.
Same reaction.
So I'll do the same soon with the Jag, I get the feeling it will be different.
V8 Engine in the right place , British, Beautiful.
If our car industry responds to what we want, we should support it.
Fingers crossed
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