RE: Chris Harris video: F-Type Coupe

[cerb4.5lee]

E65Ross said:

Something wrong with your gearbox. It's the same as in mine which wasn't smooth but I had it serviced (no, not just a fluid and filter change) and that 6 speed box is one of the smoothest gearboxes I've been in. If you say it's not smooth either there's something wrong or your telling porkies, and I doubt it's the latter.

Honestly, smooth as silk.

Its fine and dandy when you are just pottering about and the changes are nice enough, its just when you ask it to perform and use the revs that's when its dim witted and slow to perform changes and then it gets flustered and that's when I don't rate it one bit.

[cerb4.5lee]

DonkeyApple said:

I have to agree. The ZF6 in my wife's 130 is not good. It seems fine in the bigger BMWs but in the 130 I just don't think they have got it right. It is far too slow to change and you can make better manual changes when semi pressing on.

Yes mine too seems at odds when you ask it to deliver by putting your foot down and I have started to use the manual changes more than I used too, the gearbox in my 4.8iS wasn't any different and also suffered from the same traits, its good to know they have improved it though in the newer cars as everyone seems to rate it, I would like a go in the 8 speed to see if its true for myself.

[E65Ross]

cerb4.5lee said:

E65Ross said:

Something wrong with your gearbox. It's the same as in mine which wasn't smooth but I had it serviced (no, not just a fluid and filter change) and that 6 speed box is one of the smoothest gearboxes I've been in. If you say it's not smooth either there's something wrong or your telling porkies, and I doubt it's the latter.

Honestly, smooth as silk.

Its fine and dandy when you are just pottering about and the changes are nice enough, its just when you ask it to perform and use the revs that's when its dim witted and slow to perform changes and then it gets flustered and that's when I don't rate it one bit.

It's not the quickest by any means. My comments were purely on how smooth it is. You said they're not smooth, but they are.

[Carl_Docklands]

cayman-black said:

roofer said:

Really? Porsche will use 6 screws where Jaguar will use 4. A clever bit of marketing aided by 'Monkey' but it will never be a Porsche replacement or equal.

This is a joke right ?

Is that 6 screws on the Porsche Fire extinguisher ?

[cerb4.5lee]

E65Ross said:

cerb4.5lee said:

E65Ross said:

Something wrong with your gearbox. It's the same as in mine which wasn't smooth but I had it serviced (no, not just a fluid and filter change) and that 6 speed box is one of the smoothest gearboxes I've been in. If you say it's not smooth either there's something wrong or your telling porkies, and I doubt it's the latter.

Honestly, smooth as silk.

Its fine and dandy when you are just pottering about and the changes are nice enough, its just when you ask it to perform and use the revs that's when its dim witted and slow to perform changes and then it gets flustered and that's when I don't rate it one bit.

It's not the quickest by any means. My comments were purely on how smooth it is. You said they're not smooth, but they are.

They are smooth at low revs but with my experience of it they aren't smooth when you stretch the revs and ask the gearbox to perform that's where the gearboxes short comings raise its head, fine for going steady not so when pushing on and I think this is where my dislike to a auto box comes from.

For cruising around they are ideal but if you want to press on they fall apart but in your motor the gearbox is very suited as its not the type of car you would grab by the scuff of the neck but the 3 series is supposed to be a sporty saloon if you know what I mean.

[E65Ross]

cerb4.5lee said:

E65Ross said:

cerb4.5lee said:

E65Ross said:

Something wrong with your gearbox. It's the same as in mine which wasn't smooth but I had it serviced (no, not just a fluid and filter change) and that 6 speed box is one of the smoothest gearboxes I've been in. If you say it's not smooth either there's something wrong or your telling porkies, and I doubt it's the latter.

Honestly, smooth as silk.

Its fine and dandy when you are just pottering about and the changes are nice enough, its just when you ask it to perform and use the revs that's when its dim witted and slow to perform changes and then it gets flustered and that's when I don't rate it one bit.

It's not the quickest by any means. My comments were purely on how smooth it is. You said they're not smooth, but they are.

They are smooth at low revs but with my experience of it they aren't smooth when you stretch the revs and ask the gearbox to perform that's where the gearboxes short comings raise its head, fine for going steady not so when pushing on and I think this is where my dislike to a auto box comes from.

For cruising around they are ideal but if you want to press on they fall apart but in your motor the gearbox is very suited as its not the type of car you would grab by the scuff of the neck but the 3 series is supposed to be a sporty saloon if you know what I mean.

I think we're getting wires crossed. I'm talking about how smooth it is (ie having gear changes that are barely perceptible), you're talking about how responsive it is. I'll agree with you on that, but it's very smooth no matter what rpm you're at. Even going from 6th to 3rd on kickdown the shifts are barely noticeable.

[l354uge]

Carl_Docklands said:

cayman-black said:

roofer said:

Really? Porsche will use 6 screws where Jaguar will use 4. A clever bit of marketing aided by 'Monkey' but it will never be a Porsche replacement or equal.

This is a joke right ?

Is that 6 screws on the Porsche Fire extinguisher ?

ZING!
Got to love abit of perceived quality created by myths and the marketers.

This isnt the 70's anymore, Jaguar are now designed and built by highly qualified and very clever people, Tata is a highly professional company with alot of expertise in pretty much every engineering area, these are not amateurs trying to cut costs.

Porsche aren't the perfection experts who spend every last penny on quality that you think they are, there's a reason they make a £14K profit on every car.

Id love to see monkeys reaction to your mild defamation of character.

[cerb4.5lee]

E65Ross said:

cerb4.5lee said:

E65Ross said:

cerb4.5lee said:

E65Ross said:

Something wrong with your gearbox. It's the same as in mine which wasn't smooth but I had it serviced (no, not just a fluid and filter change) and that 6 speed box is one of the smoothest gearboxes I've been in. If you say it's not smooth either there's something wrong or your telling porkies, and I doubt it's the latter.

Honestly, smooth as silk.

Its fine and dandy when you are just pottering about and the changes are nice enough, its just when you ask it to perform and use the revs that's when its dim witted and slow to perform changes and then it gets flustered and that's when I don't rate it one bit.

It's not the quickest by any means. My comments were purely on how smooth it is. You said they're not smooth, but they are.

They are smooth at low revs but with my experience of it they aren't smooth when you stretch the revs and ask the gearbox to perform that's where the gearboxes short comings raise its head, fine for going steady not so when pushing on and I think this is where my dislike to a auto box comes from.

For cruising around they are ideal but if you want to press on they fall apart but in your motor the gearbox is very suited as its not the type of car you would grab by the scuff of the neck but the 3 series is supposed to be a sporty saloon if you know what I mean.

I think we're getting wires crossed. I'm talking about how smooth it is (ie having gear changes that are barely perceptible), you're talking about how responsive it is. I'll agree with you on that, but it's very smooth no matter what rpm you're at. Even going from 6th to 3rd on kickdown the shifts are barely noticeable.

Yes I do know what you mean totally and to be fair I really didn't like the gearbox at all at first but I am warming to it...which is a big step in the right direction for me! I never liked it one bit in my X5 and maybe because I am getting a little older I am opening my mind a little and starting to appreciate the benefits of not constantly pressing the clutch down.

A twin clutch or Auto does make sense in a daily driver but if and when I get a weekend toy again that would have to be a manual without question.

[I WISH]

Extraordinary how much better the coupe looks than the convertible.

The drop top is "nice" .... but the coupe just looks "right" ..... especially the rear threequarter view.

Still too expensive though.

[JiggyJaggy]

I was looking at the prices, the convertibles are start at circa 48k, Im wondering if the Coupe's would be same sort of price within a year. Then I would be tempted. Stunning car.

[Mr Tidy]

Another brilliant video.
I much prefer the look of the coupe - I think Mr Harris quite likes it too..........

[DonkeyApple]

cerb4.5lee said:

DonkeyApple said:

I have to agree. The ZF6 in my wife's 130 is not good. It seems fine in the bigger BMWs but in the 130 I just don't think they have got it right. It is far too slow to change and you can make better manual changes when semi pressing on.

Yes mine too seems at odds when you ask it to deliver by putting your foot down and I have started to use the manual changes more than I used too, the gearbox in my 4.8iS wasn't any different and also suffered from the same traits, its good to know they have improved it though in the newer cars as everyone seems to rate it, I would like a go in the 8 speed to see if its true for myself.

The lag while the car's brain decides whether you meant to floor the throttle and then decide to find a gear and eventually put the power through is a ridiculous trait that I first hit with a 540i. It drops you in the crap regularly as by the time it has made a decision that you did indeed intend to bury the throttle and once the forms have been filled out in triplicate and approved the reason you suddenly wanted full power has since gone and you are suddenly left in a situation of wanting to lift off and brake while the car has just determined that it wants to launch itself forward. I can only determine that it is not the fault of the box but of the boffins who program it and maybe have the stats to show that plenty of their customers bury the throttle without meaning to do so.

The 540 was worse as it would try and learn your driving style and make assumptions that if you had been driving very sedately for a while and then suddenly wanted all the power that you had clearly made an error and metre out a more modest power delivery. So, when crawling behind a caravan and faced with the opportunity to overtake the car would bog down.

[cerb4.5lee]

DonkeyApple said:

cerb4.5lee said:

DonkeyApple said:

I have to agree. The ZF6 in my wife's 130 is not good. It seems fine in the bigger BMWs but in the 130 I just don't think they have got it right. It is far too slow to change and you can make better manual changes when semi pressing on.

Yes mine too seems at odds when you ask it to deliver by putting your foot down and I have started to use the manual changes more than I used too, the gearbox in my 4.8iS wasn't any different and also suffered from the same traits, its good to know they have improved it though in the newer cars as everyone seems to rate it, I would like a go in the 8 speed to see if its true for myself.

The lag while the car's brain decides whether you meant to floor the throttle and then decide to find a gear and eventually put the power through is a ridiculous trait that I first hit with a 540i. It drops you in the crap regularly as by the time it has made a decision that you did indeed intend to bury the throttle and once the forms have been filled out in triplicate and approved the reason you suddenly wanted full power has since gone and you are suddenly left in a situation of wanting to lift off and brake while the car has just determined that it wants to launch itself forward. I can only determine that it is not the fault of the box but of the boffins who program it and maybe have the stats to show that plenty of their customers bury the throttle without meaning to do so.

The 540 was worse as it would try and learn your driving style and make assumptions that if you had been driving very sedately for a while and then suddenly wanted all the power that you had clearly made an error and metre out a more modest power delivery. So, when crawling behind a caravan and faced with the opportunity to overtake the car would bog down.

I have experienced this on many occasions too and with our road structure with cameras everywhere its hard to drive flat out everywhere to keep the computers brain happy so the gearbox stays lively... pleased I am not the only one to experience this gripe.

[CraigyMc]

cerb4.5lee said:

My only reservation is I have the ZF 6 speed in my 330i and its not that great to say the least but it does seem that they have really got their act together with the new 8 speed version and genuinely everyone I speak to loves it.

It seems a classic example of how things improve so much over time because my gearbox is pretty hateful slow to react and not very smooth although I do like how relaxing it is when you aren't interested in gunning it everywhere.

The ZF 8HP was designed for manual operation from the outset, which is why comparing it to the older boxes in the range is a bit pointless.

[E65Ross]

cerb4.5lee said:

I have experienced this on many occasions too and with our road structure with cameras everywhere its hard to drive flat out everywhere to keep the computers brain happy so the gearbox stays lively... pleased I am not the only one to experience this gripe.

You're not the only one. When I'm looking to overtake I often have it in manual anyway.

I was purely commenting on smoothness, as I've said.... Because you said it wasn't smooth, which it is.

[DonkeyApple]

E65Ross said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I have experienced this on many occasions too and with our road structure with cameras everywhere its hard to drive flat out everywhere to keep the computers brain happy so the gearbox stays lively... pleased I am not the only one to experience this gripe.

You're not the only one. When I'm looking to overtake I often have it in manual anyway.

I was purely commenting on smoothness, as I've said.... Because you said it wasn't smooth, which it is.

I find it very smooth when driving gently. It's also fine when you are going balls out. But in the middle zone where you tend to be short shifting and not running much beyond the torque curve it has horrible changes.

[cerb4.5lee]

CraigyMc said:

cerb4.5lee said:

My only reservation is I have the ZF 6 speed in my 330i and its not that great to say the least but it does seem that they have really got their act together with the new 8 speed version and genuinely everyone I speak to loves it.

It seems a classic example of how things improve so much over time because my gearbox is pretty hateful slow to react and not very smooth although I do like how relaxing it is when you aren't interested in gunning it everywhere.

The ZF 8HP was designed for manual operation from the outset, which is why comparing it to the older boxes in the range is a bit pointless.

Fair enough I didn't realise that but for me when all said and done its still an automatic box that you are never in complete control of.

[roofer]

l354uge said:

Carl_Docklands said:

cayman-black said:

roofer said:

Really? Porsche will use 6 screws where Jaguar will use 4. A clever bit of marketing aided by 'Monkey' but it will never be a Porsche replacement or equal.

This is a joke right ?

Is that 6 screws on the Porsche Fire extinguisher ?

ZING!
Got to love abit of perceived quality created by myths and the marketers.

This isnt the 70's anymore, Jaguar are now designed and built by highly qualified and very clever people, Tata is a highly professional company with alot of expertise in pretty much every engineering area, these are not amateurs trying to cut costs.

Porsche aren't the perfection experts who spend every last penny on quality that you think they are, there's a reason they make a £14K profit on every car.

Id love to see monkeys reaction to your mild defamation of character.

Have you worked on either ? Nope ? therefore, using your arse to make words is a waste of time. Jaguars are made of chocolate in comparison. Have a look at the plastic mouldings, Airfix could do better. The fact they can relieve people of such a high price is clever, very clever.

I believe Harris bought and restored a 911 of some description, i wonder if he'll do the same in a few years with an F Type.

And really, do you think a) i defamed his character? and b) i really care?

I don't need to suck up to anyone in this life, but you crack on chap.

[cerb4.5lee]

DonkeyApple said:

E65Ross said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I have experienced this on many occasions too and with our road structure with cameras everywhere its hard to drive flat out everywhere to keep the computers brain happy so the gearbox stays lively... pleased I am not the only one to experience this gripe.

You're not the only one. When I'm looking to overtake I often have it in manual anyway.

I was purely commenting on smoothness, as I've said.... Because you said it wasn't smooth, which it is.

I find it very smooth when driving gently. It's also fine when you are going balls out. But in the middle zone where you tend to be short shifting and not running much beyond the torque curve it has horrible changes.

I think it does a job that its needs to do but on the occasions when it doesn't behave or respond as you want it too Automatics or Twin Clutches wont ever convince me that they are better than a stick and three pedals...faster for sure but you are never truly in control its the electronics that are in charge.

[Pesty]

He explains why some mouldings are cheaper in the vid. They spent the money in the right areas IMO but I don't spend my time licking lower glove compartments. The inside of the f type is a special place to me.

Porsche are not hewn from granite anymore ( not sure they ever were)

I'd take an f type over a 991 any day of the week.

But I'd rather take a risk of looking like Johnny storm in a gt3.

How much more are those? Oh yeah.