RE: SVM Qashqai R hits the strip!

[KTF]

AyBee said:

If they actually did...I haven't read the stuff on the gtr forum but I don't think there's any evidence that VOSA have viewed the cashcard and concluded that it should be a cashcard.

In that thread, the tuner said that some VOSA people came out to check the car but 'had not seen anything like this before' (or words to that effect) so had to go away and think about how it should be handled.

Then there was a bit of a stink and people got the hump about it all.

[dele]

Well this threads certainly been entertaining

[saxy]

9.994 isn't exactly 10.0, but it definitely ISN'T 9.9.

[Big Fat Fatty]

There must be hundreds of GTRs, some even built by SVM, that can do this sort of time. This one is hardly any different apart from the fact it looks like a Qashqai. Does it weigh any less than a standard GTR?

[LiamM45]

Big Fat Fatty said:

There must be hundreds of GTRs, some even built by SVM, that can do this sort of time. This one is hardly any different apart from the fact it looks like a Qashqai. Does it weigh any less than a standard GTR?

They quoted 1785kgs on the GTR forum link.

It's got them a helluva lot of publicity this car... Maybe not all good publicity mind. Something doesn't stack up with VOSA and the IVA I think. You'd think if you're selling them for £275k each you make sure everything is 100% legitimate.

[Theadamh1234]

Someone has built a qashqai that goes from 0-60 quicker than a McLaren P1, and all anyone cares about is if its regestered corectly!

Pistonheads, DVLA MATTERS

[SimonD]

Theadamh1234 said:

Someone has built a qashqai that goes from 0-60 quicker than a McLaren P1, and all anyone cares about is if its regestered corectly!

Pistonheads, DVLA MATTERS

I think it's more than that. A car that's been built, such that it needs a Q-plate will need IVA inspection. And that's more than just about whether the headlights are correct or not, it's about how safe a car might be.

Also what worries me about this is the crash structures. Taking the bottom half of one car and the top half of another isn't going to do the crumple zones any good. Oddly I'd have had more respect for this if they'd kept the original Qashqai shell and just fitted the GTR guts to it.

[loose cannon]

Why doesn't somebody clear up the matter by speaking to vosa ?

[moparmick]

JMO but Unless he's backing off on the top end, i wouldn't say it's got 1150 hp, more like 850.

[LiamM45]

moparmick said:

JMO but Unless he's backing off on the top end, i wouldn't say it's got 1150 hp, more like 850.

This is their 1200bhp GTR in action, against a car with 1/3rd of the power, granted the GTR is slow off the line but these are the slower runs for the other car too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kHLD9aWLag

[b0rk]

A re-shell with a used shell or shell not to the manufacturers specification should be on a Q plate if you read the VOSA guidance. The floor pan is structurally part of the shell. This should IMHO have gone down the ESVA/SVA route

Man from DVLA he say....

To keep the original mark a total 8 points must be scored from the table:
5 Points = Chassis, monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) or frame - original or new and unmodified (direct from manufacturer)
2 Points = Suspension (front and back) - original
2 Points = Axles (both) - original
2 Points = Transmission - original
2 Points = Steering assembly - original
1 Point = Engine - original

So lets score the car as a qashqai: engine - GTR zero points, steering assembly - GTR zero points, transmission - GTR zero points, axles - GTR zero points, suspension - aftermarket zero points, chassis/bodyshell - DIY fabrication zero points. Total score out of 14 = 0, result car is not a Nissan Qashqai.

[Pommygranite]

Theadamh1234 said:

Someone has built a qashqai that goes from 0-60 quicker than a McLaren P1, and all anyone cares about is if its regestered corectly!

Pistonheads, DVLA MATTERS

Its quite embarrassing really isnt it.

'ooh ooh miss - little johnny hasnt done his homework, tell him off as he's just not following the rules'. Really have people not got anything better to get bothered about.

I see a point about crash protection has arisen - well i'm pretty sure a)someone able to afford this will have it properly inspected and/or b)is it really anyone elses business how safe a car is inside it to the driver - its their problem and if they can do 190mph the rigidity of the crumple zones is probably not going to assist much and c)before anyone answers 'but what if he ran into you wouldnt you want to know its road worthy?' - well I figure they'll either be going too fast anyway and i'm more worried about 1000 pound sheds than this thing.

We dont get out of shape when someone buys a classic and consider how protected they are in that.

[AndrewSV]

b0rk said:

A re-shell with a used shell or shell not to the manufacturers specification should be on a Q plate if you read the VOSA guidance. The floor pan is structurally part of the shell. This should IMHO have gone down the ESVA/SVA route

Man from DVLA he say....

To keep the original mark a total 8 points must be scored from the table:
5 Points = Chassis, monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) or frame - original or new and unmodified (direct from manufacturer)
2 Points = Suspension (front and back) - original
2 Points = Axles (both) - original
2 Points = Transmission - original
2 Points = Steering assembly - original
1 Point = Engine - original

So lets score the car as a qashqai: engine - GTR zero points, steering assembly - GTR zero points, transmission - GTR zero points, axles - GTR zero points, suspension - aftermarket zero points, chassis/bodyshell - DIY fabrication zero points. Total score out of 14 = 0, result car is not a Nissan Qashqai.

So thinking about it, if they registered it as the GT-R that the running gear came from that would be acceptable?

[stuart-b]

AndrewSV said:

So thinking about it, if they registered it as the GT-R that the running gear came from that would be acceptable?

Exactly, it's a GTR with a new skin around the outside. If you built in a full cage, it would be safe enough in an accident.

People are still racing old 60's cars ( Cobra's, etc) I would sooner trust a fully caged GTR with a Qash skin, than an old death trap.

[Joeguard1990]

It's not a Qashqai Pistonheads, It's a rebodied Nissan GTR.

Oh wait, just read the thread.....

[DonnyMac]

AndrewSV said:

b0rk said:

A re-shell with a used shell or shell not to the manufacturers specification should be on a Q plate if you read the VOSA guidance. The floor pan is structurally part of the shell. This should IMHO have gone down the ESVA/SVA route

Man from DVLA he say....

To keep the original mark a total 8 points must be scored from the table:
5 Points = Chassis, monocoque bodyshell (body and chassis as one unit) or frame - original or new and unmodified (direct from manufacturer)
2 Points = Suspension (front and back) - original
2 Points = Axles (both) - original
2 Points = Transmission - original
2 Points = Steering assembly - original
1 Point = Engine - original

So lets score the car as a qashqai: engine - GTR zero points, steering assembly - GTR zero points, transmission - GTR zero points, axles - GTR zero points, suspension - aftermarket zero points, chassis/bodyshell - DIY fabrication zero points. Total score out of 14 = 0, result car is not a Nissan Qashqai.

So thinking about it, if they registered it as the GT-R that the running gear came from that would be acceptable?

It would be legal.

(On the basis that the original GTR was of course).

[AyBee]

DonnyMac said:

(On the basis that the original GTR was of course).

Is this bit also dodgy?

[The Wookie]

Apart from the fact that it's not derived from two cars of the same model, isn't it virtually the definition of a cut and shut?

[The Wookie]

AndrewSV said:

So thinking about it, if they registered it as the GT-R that the running gear came from that would be acceptable?

5 points have to come from the original shell, so the only way it would be remotely legal would be to use the GTR identity and claim it was a cosmetic and non-structural rebody I would have thought...

[DonnyMac]

AyBee said:

DonnyMac said:

(On the basis that the original GTR was of course).

Is this bit also dodgy?

No one knows except for SVM, it's provenance was never disclosed other than 'a 2012 GTR'.

So £275k for a cut and shut unknown used 2012 car with a new 2013 body, no SVA.