RE: Maserati Ghibli Cup: PH Heroes
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I think these are stunning looking cars and look brutish and purposeful.
That French Blue colour really does suit the car.
Even the Quattroporte from around 2000 was a good looking car.
Something very leftfield about this era of Maseratis.
I love the Boomerang rear lights on the 3200 GT, which incidentally can be had for around the £9k mark. Good value IMO.
That French Blue colour really does suit the car.
Even the Quattroporte from around 2000 was a good looking car.
Something very leftfield about this era of Maseratis.
I love the Boomerang rear lights on the 3200 GT, which incidentally can be had for around the £9k mark. Good value IMO.
164Cloverleaf said:
daveco said:
Love the look of them, like an E30 M3 on steroids.
Wasn't there a saloon version in Godfather part III??
You're thinking of the 425/430, essentially a 4-door Biturbo (and distinct to the larger Quattroporte):Wasn't there a saloon version in Godfather part III??
Schermerhorn said:
Anyone remember the Maserati Quattroporte Octillindri of the same vintage?
Now that was one cool looking car.
I agree wholeheartedly. Who wouldn't want a twin-turbo Italian v8? And in an understated (elegant?) body, not all shouty and "look at me".Now that was one cool looking car.
I nearly bought one 6 or 7 years ago, but it the seller wouldn't quite come down to the price I was prepared to pay. It was still up for sale 6 moths later...
I still sometimes wish I had bought it, but in reality I probably dodged a bullet.
BHC said:
Lost soul said:
Some strange tax law , there were a few 2lt Italian market specials including a 308 2lt I seem to remember
Ferrari 208. Created for Italy and New Zealand, I seem to remember.Ozzie Osmond said:
chelme said:
Definitely one to park your money on. So rare, so capable and charismatic...
Back in the day I had a long hard look at those.One of the most savagely unreliable and expensive cars ever built. Approach with extreme caution!
Edited by chelme on Thursday 22 May 16:35
WingNut said:
There was a French blue (or whatever it is called) Cup for sale in the PH Classifieds until a month or two ago.
Car was Essex based and I was sorely tempted to go and have a local with it being so local. IIRC it was circa £17k and was mint so I am not sure where 30k comes from.
That car had 97k miles on it. Any one of these with below 50k miles and you are looking at paying circa £40,000. Car was Essex based and I was sorely tempted to go and have a local with it being so local. IIRC it was circa £17k and was mint so I am not sure where 30k comes from.
I'm pleased to see I'm not the only one to like the Maserati offerings of the 90's. My collection includes a Ghibli Cup (one of 19 UK cars still in existence), a Shamal (one of about 11 UK cars still in existence), and a QP IV Evo V8 (one of a few dozen, I suspect). All are great fun, stylish, rare and nicely increasing in value. No clever man maths required - they've all increased nicely in the last few years.
The next one to pick up will be the 3200. Easy to find a bad one though, so hang out for the best only. But I suspect a 12k investment now will be a 20k car in (approx) 3 years time - while being beautiful and fun in the meantime.
By the way, that bright blue is called French Blue. Only one UK car was produced in this colour, and it sold last month for 25k with 97k miles under its belt. Makes it the cheapest Cup out there.
I know nearly all the other Cups and their owners and none are for sale, but the perceived going rate for a good one with sensible milage is in the 30's, so the guide in the article seems correct.
There'll be a couple of Cups and my Shamal at Prescott Hill Climb on June 8th as part of the Maserati Club Concours.
The next one to pick up will be the 3200. Easy to find a bad one though, so hang out for the best only. But I suspect a 12k investment now will be a 20k car in (approx) 3 years time - while being beautiful and fun in the meantime.
By the way, that bright blue is called French Blue. Only one UK car was produced in this colour, and it sold last month for 25k with 97k miles under its belt. Makes it the cheapest Cup out there.
I know nearly all the other Cups and their owners and none are for sale, but the perceived going rate for a good one with sensible milage is in the 30's, so the guide in the article seems correct.
There'll be a couple of Cups and my Shamal at Prescott Hill Climb on June 8th as part of the Maserati Club Concours.
firebird350 said:
Slightly-more 'pumping' of the wheelarches, a roof design hinting at a targa top (but wasn't!) plus a 3.2 litre V8 engine - still with the twin turbos though - pushing out 325 BHP, I seem to remember.
I also believe the later Ghiblis (the 2.8 litre as well as the 2.0 litre Cup) also picked up the rear axle from the Ferrari 456 when, as the article says, they received the six-speed Getrag gearbox
Oi, Firebird - that's MY shamal!!! Hands off!I also believe the later Ghiblis (the 2.8 litre as well as the 2.0 litre Cup) also picked up the rear axle from the Ferrari 456 when, as the article says, they received the six-speed Getrag gearbox
prg123 said:
Thats a lovely example, my dad had exactly the same colour inside and outside, looked all the same, a very nice car and a great V8 sound when you stood outside the car, so composed...sadly in the car you could almost here northing...and standard the powerband was a bit short, but that could be helped 
was a long time ago though when my dad had it, I also had some drives in it, guess it was around 1995 or so?
Friend of mine has a lhd Cup and a rhd Shamal tucked away, both absolutely immaculate and a joy to behold. They are both truly rapid as well, tho the Shamal is definitely wound up to 12 in comparison!
Will see if I can get some pics up over the weekend.
PS. If anyone from the owners club knows the car, the Shamal is 'Reg 4 X' it's a well known car. Red with cream leather
Will see if I can get some pics up over the weekend.
PS. If anyone from the owners club knows the car, the Shamal is 'Reg 4 X' it's a well known car. Red with cream leather
Edited by JimboBucks on Friday 23 May 08:03
Edited by JimboBucks on Friday 23 May 18:00
Any more pics?I came very close to buying a Cup several years ago but just couldn't find the right one, A. for sale, and B. in my price range. Sadly the huge number of newer Maserati 3200/4200's has not done anything to depress the price of the Cup and Shamal as both are rapidly rising, I guess people see them as the last real hairy Masers before Fiat got their claws in, and hence will be the ones to put away because of their rarity.
The first Cup I looked at was a converted Open Cup Evo2 racer that had been road registered and TUV approved in Germany. That was epic, but without the interior it was just a little too impractical for an only car. The second was a particularly tatty red Cup near Milton Keynes for 12K, but it needed a huge amount spending on it to get it right. I wonder whatever happened to that. Walk away if there is any rust in the bulkhead or suspension turrets, missing history, or problems with the electronic dampers. Most other electrical niggles can be put right on a budget. Don't forget the timing chain is fragile and needs doing every second or third time you do the timing belt, and that's an engine out job. The belts are easy as they are at the front with loads of access once you get the radiators out so no problem, but the chain is at the back of the engine where there is next to no room between it and the bulkhead. Ferrari 456 diff is stronger than the ZF diff on the previous generation of Biturbo/Ghibli and if given regular oil changes should not prove to be a problem. Wheels are OZ split rims and can tend to look tatty very easily. As such, any curbing can be costly to put right.
The first Cup I looked at was a converted Open Cup Evo2 racer that had been road registered and TUV approved in Germany. That was epic, but without the interior it was just a little too impractical for an only car. The second was a particularly tatty red Cup near Milton Keynes for 12K, but it needed a huge amount spending on it to get it right. I wonder whatever happened to that. Walk away if there is any rust in the bulkhead or suspension turrets, missing history, or problems with the electronic dampers. Most other electrical niggles can be put right on a budget. Don't forget the timing chain is fragile and needs doing every second or third time you do the timing belt, and that's an engine out job. The belts are easy as they are at the front with loads of access once you get the radiators out so no problem, but the chain is at the back of the engine where there is next to no room between it and the bulkhead. Ferrari 456 diff is stronger than the ZF diff on the previous generation of Biturbo/Ghibli and if given regular oil changes should not prove to be a problem. Wheels are OZ split rims and can tend to look tatty very easily. As such, any curbing can be costly to put right.
I agree that engine looks lovely though to be honest a nice looking engine isn't important to me really it's just nice to have. A 2.0 V6 with over 300hp in the nineties is impressive I'm sure there's significant turbo lag but it probably has character and a nice noise. I like the wide arches and wheels the shape is a bit boxy but it's aged quite nicely. It's like a saloon Integrale Evo.
90sMasers said:
firebird350 said:
Slightly-more 'pumping' of the wheelarches, a roof design hinting at a targa top (but wasn't!) plus a 3.2 litre V8 engine - still with the twin turbos though - pushing out 325 BHP, I seem to remember.
I also believe the later Ghiblis (the 2.8 litre as well as the 2.0 litre Cup) also picked up the rear axle from the Ferrari 456 when, as the article says, they received the six-speed Getrag gearbox
Oi, Firebird - that's MY shamal!!! Hands off!I also believe the later Ghiblis (the 2.8 litre as well as the 2.0 litre Cup) also picked up the rear axle from the Ferrari 456 when, as the article says, they received the six-speed Getrag gearbox
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