RE: Mercedes C43 AMG: Catch It While You Can

RE: Mercedes C43 AMG: Catch It While You Can

Thursday 22nd May 2014

Mercedes C43 AMG: Catch It While You Can

'No more Italian cars for a bit' we told Keith; here's his answer



Don't you just love Q-cars? There's nothing better than being able to make rapid progress without being noticed by your fellow road users... 'til it's too late and you've motored past them. And they're even better when they're cheap. I reckon Mercedes-Benz has made some of the best of the lot over the years - and although you might argue that the outgoing C63 AMG isn't a bad effort at looking discrete, I'd say the 1997-2000 C43 AMG is much, much better at being invisible.

Big V8, small Merc - we're still enjoying the concept
Big V8, small Merc - we're still enjoying the concept
Why? Well look at it. For all intents and purposes, it looks like Millennial Ronnie Rep's C200 in Sport trim. But, in fact, it's a 306hp 4.3-litre, V8-powered, E36-generation BMW M3 rival, which comes with a characteristic AMG bellow and acceleration that easily matches its Munich rival without the need to resort to changing gear yourself. De-badge it, and no one else would stand a chance.

The C43 AMG was launched in 1997, and it followed on from the straight-six C36 AMG. That first AMG W202 C-Class was good enough with its 280hp straight-six - but its replacement was undeniably altogether more special. Not least because the W202 marked a step change in the relationship between AMG and Mercedes-Benz, too, being the first car assembled from scratch (as opposed to upgraded) at the former's factory in Affalterbach. It was also the first Mercedes-Benz C-Class powered by the M113 V8 engine. Time to pause and reflect what followed.

Just as with what seems like all AMGs, the C43 explodes into life with an infectious V8 woofle when you spark it up - and that sets high expectations. Setting off, it feels slightly aloof and inert at low speeds, but once you crank things up, it sprints like a kicked cat - all fury and drama. But the noise that accompanies this surging acceleration is epic - a thread that seems common to all V8 AMGs. It might not be quite as involving as an M3 - certainly in terms of steering - but the C43 AMG is more rewarding in so many other ways.

Dismiss it as a simplistic hot rod at your peril
Dismiss it as a simplistic hot rod at your peril
Importantly for the bar room banter, with all that power, allied with a maximum torque output of 302lb ft, the C43 is still genuinely quick today, with a 0-60 mph time of 5.7 seconds. It's limited - of course - to 155mph, but Mercedes-Benz unofficially claimed it could hit 168mph when de-restricted. And unlike the old C36, the C43's five-speed auto is snappy and responsive, thanks to AMG modifications.

As with what seems like far too many Benzes built in the late-90s, the C43 AMG isn't as solid as it might be, coming from Stuttgart's infamous cost-cutting era. It has far from unimpeachable reliability, and bodywork is prone to corrosion if not obsessively garaged.

But if you're thinking of doing your bit to save this endangered species, there are other problems to watch out for, too. The automatic gearboxes were known to pack-up when younger for a start. It's reckoned by marque experts that the majority of C43 AMGs with more than 50,000 miles on the clock are likely to have a rebuilt or replacement gearbox - so check it shifts as it should. Other considerations are flaky and expensive wiper motors, poor sun roof motors, and boots that don't open properly.

But don't let that little list put you off - the C43 AMG is a great car, wrongly overshadowed by the older 190E 2.3 and 2.5 Cosworths. Disappointingly, it remained in production for a little more than two years - a scant reward for the work that went into it.

Want to know the best news about these thundering Q-cars? Numbers are thinning (there are 230 left on the road in the UK out of a total run of 4,200 cars, but values have yet to adjust to its impending endangered species status, and you can pick one up for the ridiculously modest sum of around £2,000.

Seriously. Take a look at the example we surfed to in the PH classifieds. With a not-unreasonable 134,000 miles on the clock, the private seller has owned it for more than five years, maintained it himself or via specialists, and aside from a couple of rust spots on the replacement bonnet, it looks set for years of hard use ahead. And all this V8 lusciousness could be yours for the price of a 10-year old misery-spec Volkswagen Golf, at its advertised £2,450. Quite.

And just think of all the cars you'll scalp - for a fraction of their price. Buy now before the few that are left start to seriously appreciate...

 

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KillerHERTZ

Original Poster:

951 posts

199 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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Be very wary of rust on facelift W202 models, under the sideskirts and rear wheel arches

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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Brilliant. And almost shed money too. What a way to burn around for a year!


s m

23,242 posts

204 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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I like how in one PH article 0-60 in 5.7 is "still quick today" and in another 0-60 in 5.8 is "not that quick these days" smile

theJT

314 posts

186 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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I love these. I keep promising myself I'll buy one. I mean, it's a practical 4 door that's not so huge you require a 40 acre country estate to park it in with a lovely, growly V8 in it that no one looks at twice.

Sadly, life has other needs at the moment, so it keeps not happening, but at these prices all that needs to happen is for one to turn up within biking distance of my house and I just know I'll end up turning up on the seller's door with a box full of cash.

IknowJoseph

542 posts

141 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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I need 4 new tyres and a suspension refresh on my 996, preferably before I take it to Germany next month on a Euro long weekend. Or I could buy a Mercedes AMG for the same money eek

MrHooky

197 posts

143 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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If this is still for sale in a couple of weeks I'm going to buy it.

I am about to sell my uninspiring Audi A2 1.4 for similar money and want something with at least 6 cylinders, and rear wheel drive to smoke around in for 6-12 months.

I'd set my heart on an E39 530 but this is now front runner...

Denorth

559 posts

172 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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s m said:
I like how in one PH article 0-60 in 5.7 is "still quick today" and in another 0-60 in 5.8 is "not that quick these days" smile
noticed that too smile Maserati Ghibli Cup article, right?

leedsutd1

770 posts

187 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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if the car for sale has no rust on the wheel arches I would have been tempted but its too far away ,from me

jonby

5,357 posts

158 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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Denorth said:
s m said:
I like how in one PH article 0-60 in 5.7 is "still quick today" and in another 0-60 in 5.8 is "not that quick these days" smile
noticed that too smile Maserati Ghibli Cup article, right?
is that fair ? quick for an Italian coupe and quick for a saloon car are two different things and were even more different when those cars were on sale


leedsutd1

770 posts

187 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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just looked on ebay one was for sale for £1395 ono but now sold ,had mot until august but rust on door and bonnet

SuperHangOn

3,486 posts

154 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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4200 was the worldwide production figure.

US had 1500.

Denorth

559 posts

172 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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jonby said:
Denorth said:
s m said:
I like how in one PH article 0-60 in 5.7 is "still quick today" and in another 0-60 in 5.8 is "not that quick these days" smile
noticed that too smile Maserati Ghibli Cup article, right?
is that fair ? quick for an Italian coupe and quick for a saloon car are two different things and were even more different when those cars were on sale
did double checking and my bad - wrong article. here is a quote about Ghibli:

'Performance, by today's standards, is only brisk with 0-62mph taking 5.6 seconds, topping out at 168mph,'

UltimaCH

3,155 posts

190 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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I have one since over 4 years now which I drive only in non winter months. With just over 250'000kms on the clock, she pulls like a train and gives me a BIG smile everytime I take her out. I have upgraded several things, the first one being a secondary de-cat and resonator delete. The exhaust now sounds like an AMG should always do and the start from cold is epic with a wicked growl. The front shows an Avantgarde grille and flat MB badge and clear glass fogs. The suspension has been upgraded with a KW adjustable suspension front and rear. She rides on 18" Monos which are 1" higher than the standard 17" and they fit perfectly. Brakes are fitted with drilled rotors on the front with some upgraded pads and Goodrich SS hoses front and rear. With the debadge on the rear, the lower stance, wider tyres and twin pipes, no one knows what's going on until you disappear up the road with a snarl. I have to agree that rust is something which needs to be looked at, but not impossible to keep in check. Petrol consumption is not too bad if one keeps the loud pedal under control. Regular oil change with Mobil 1 full synthetic is recommended. A flush of the gearbox and change of the filter with the appropriate ATF, ensures the gear changes remain smooth.

Edited to complete the post ;-)

Edited by UltimaCH on Thursday 22 May 12:14

Huntsman

8,067 posts

251 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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I had one, an estate, absolutely loved it. Proper hooligan machine.

74merc

594 posts

193 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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In the grand scheme of things, less than 100 quid for an aftermarket wiper motor is nothing. However no mention was made of the cost of brake disks and pads, which is not so insignificant.

Fishy Dave

1,026 posts

246 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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Not available as a manual?

405dogvan

5,328 posts

266 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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That car hails from the "dark period" of MB build quality - it's manufacture was after they started to turn-things-around but it's design was bang-on the "rust and electrical nightmares" period (see the bonnet - see the heater panel comment)

It's a shed purchase for sure - buy it, tease it along until it dies - lots of car for the money but how long (MOT is <6months so I think I'd want a new one with the car)

If you buy that intended to run it indefinately and thus care-for-it, you will need DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP pockets and I don't think it quite has the character to make it worthwhile (thus explaining their rush to the scrapyard)!?

braddo

10,505 posts

189 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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Mine has been a great family car. Compact, small turning circle, big boot, autobox is city friendly, but all the while with a great sounding V8 for company. No-one realy notices it and if it picks up parking dings etc (it has...) so be it.

I have never been a fan of automatics but AMG C-classes are more like minibarges and the car would feel strange with a manual. The staggered gateshift makes selecting and holding lower gears very easy and they get quite responsive and really get a shift on when you let them rev. Numb steering though, unfortunately.

What's also interesting is that W202s have a foot in each Mercedes era - on one hand they can have the rust issues of the late 90s Mercs but on other hand they were developed in the early 90s and so there are still some aspects of the famous overengineering. The way the doors open and close, the single wiper blade, an (expensive) damper that controls the steering reach adjustment, the feel of indicator/wiper switches, the nicely damped sound of the doors locking and unlocking.... Little things but which together make a Mercedes feel quite different to other cars, even today.

405dogvan

5,328 posts

266 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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Fishy Dave said:
Not available as a manual?
Joke or!?

No MB has been available - or worth having at least - as a manual, at any point in the 30+ years I've been interested in cars!?

Oh they offered a nasty, sloppy manual back in the 80s but it was always the wrong choice - I'd assumed they stopped in the 90s and never looked back?

MB and manual are like VW and character - they grew apart ;0

devnull

3,754 posts

158 months

Thursday 22nd May 2014
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Rust rust rust rust rust. Otherwise a great car (was a W202 owner myself).