RE: Ferrari LaFerrari: Review
Discussion
D200 said:
Chris Harris said:
Oh do sod off. Really sod off.
I wouldn't want to call this unless I had them both in the same place, at the same time. They are both fantastic, both oddly different personalities despite having such similar numbers. If/when I do that, and the P1 is best, I'll say it.
And, just for avoidance of doubt, you complete cretin, SOD OFF.
God, did I actually just dignify this moron with a reasoned response for why I haven't said which one I think is best? Must be going loopy.
I'm off to drive an E30 M3, yippee!!!
Touched a nerve I see.I wouldn't want to call this unless I had them both in the same place, at the same time. They are both fantastic, both oddly different personalities despite having such similar numbers. If/when I do that, and the P1 is best, I'll say it.
And, just for avoidance of doubt, you complete cretin, SOD OFF.
God, did I actually just dignify this moron with a reasoned response for why I haven't said which one I think is best? Must be going loopy.
I'm off to drive an E30 M3, yippee!!!
I was just [rightly or wrongly] following on from what others implied – both here and elsewhere.
You could reply without resorting to name calling but maybe it’s the time of the month so that’s ok I forgive you :-)
I won't reduce myself to childish name calling but some people have said to me your recent tone on pistonheads and twitter seems to have changed recently for some reason. I am not sure if I agree as I do really enjoy your articles and find your tweets interesting and I agree with most of your opinions on cars and probably have similar taste in cars - going by what I know you own/owned. I currently own an E30 M3 for example and in the past I even had a 2CV [a more recent 'Dolly' one mind you but it was a great surf wagon due to the folding hood]. Apologies if I caused you offence and I look forward to being proved wrong if/when you get to test the P1 and LaF together
Joffery666 said:
D200 said:
Chris Harris said:
Oh do sod off. Really sod off.
I wouldn't want to call this unless I had them both in the same place, at the same time. They are both fantastic, both oddly different personalities despite having such similar numbers. If/when I do that, and the P1 is best, I'll say it.
And, just for avoidance of doubt, you complete cretin, SOD OFF.
God, did I actually just dignify this moron with a reasoned response for why I haven't said which one I think is best? Must be going loopy.
I'm off to drive an E30 M3, yippee!!!
Touched a nerve I see.I wouldn't want to call this unless I had them both in the same place, at the same time. They are both fantastic, both oddly different personalities despite having such similar numbers. If/when I do that, and the P1 is best, I'll say it.
And, just for avoidance of doubt, you complete cretin, SOD OFF.
God, did I actually just dignify this moron with a reasoned response for why I haven't said which one I think is best? Must be going loopy.
I'm off to drive an E30 M3, yippee!!!
I was just [rightly or wrongly] following on from what others implied – both here and elsewhere.
You could reply without resorting to name calling but maybe it’s the time of the month so that’s ok I forgive you :-)
I won't reduce myself to childish name calling but some people have said to me your recent tone on pistonheads and twitter seems to have changed recently for some reason. I am not sure if I agree as I do really enjoy your articles and find your tweets interesting and I agree with most of your opinions on cars and probably have similar taste in cars - going by what I know you own/owned. I currently own an E30 M3 for example and in the past I even had a 2CV [a more recent 'Dolly' one mind you but it was a great surf wagon due to the folding hood]. Apologies if I caused you offence and I look forward to being proved wrong if/when you get to test the P1 and LaF together
Just wish he would stop sliding about so much, it's irritating
DonkeyApple said:
Do you remember back at school, there was always the kid who was always just a little strange, slightly aspergersy, and would always go against anything that came from a group consensus by arguing that something that so clearly wasn't better was? The kid who if you remembered what their name was and could be bothered to look up on LinkedIn you'd almost certainly discover that they had a mid level job in IT where they believed they were much better than their boss' boss and spent all day telling people that their choice of IT was wrong?
Just to warn you but these chaps are running lose on the Internet with no parental control and we don't get the initial warning because we cannot see that they own a man bag or a interesting shirt and an aura that frightens women.
WTF? Autobiography? Just to warn you but these chaps are running lose on the Internet with no parental control and we don't get the initial warning because we cannot see that they own a man bag or a interesting shirt and an aura that frightens women.
Hypercars land in Abu Dhabi.
Camera phone shots so excuse the glare.
Although you get spoiled everyday here for supercars this was my first glimpse of La Ferrari.
Beautiful carbon work on the inside as well.
I think this was one of the sheiks sons cars.....one of many!
Edited by covert ops on Sunday 1st June 21:18
toppstuff said:
julian64 said:
toppstuff said:
This is OT I know, but it is very interesting.
IMO you are missing a fundamental aspect of all of this.
One of the key things about the psychology of "inclusion" is personal election. If an immigrant like Mo Farah elects to identify themselves with a societal structure, stands out and chooses to visibly align themselves with other people, then this creates shared endeavour, shared pride and shared achievement. Mo Farah elected to live in the UK and to stand alongside us - lots of people respond to that.
You have an unusual cynical view of the world, fella.
He possibly might, but I suggest your country of residence is not as important as where you elect to pay your taxes.IMO you are missing a fundamental aspect of all of this.
One of the key things about the psychology of "inclusion" is personal election. If an immigrant like Mo Farah elects to identify themselves with a societal structure, stands out and chooses to visibly align themselves with other people, then this creates shared endeavour, shared pride and shared achievement. Mo Farah elected to live in the UK and to stand alongside us - lots of people respond to that.
You have an unusual cynical view of the world, fella.
http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/mo-farah...
possibly you picked a bad example
It may be a good idea to actually consider if the US actually IS a tax haven before writing such BS. The top rate of tax in the US is 44% - almost exactly the same as here. Still, never let facts get in the way of a headline.
If you think that strengthens your argument then by all means continue. I'm afraid I don't share your pride in people who find ways of not contributing.
GTIR said:
Davey S2 said:
I'm getting confused with this thread and don't have time to read over the whole thing again so can soemone just tell me was the La Ferrari quicker round the Nurburgring than Mo Farah?
Only when Mo was wearing Pistorious' "legs", and holding a gun. I think Ferrari has nailed it just like they did with 458. There are some very essential ingredients that needs to be there in a desirable sports car, be it 458 or LaF and Chris mentioned some of them. Effortless driving and easy access to the limit. In other words a drivers car, just like 458. The drama it makes with the sound of V12. The modern aerodynamics Ferrari has used in this car that are more than enough. And obviously in comfort mode it's as comfy, if not more, than P1.
Mclaren on the other hand feels too much performance oriented. P1 has the reworked 3,8L turbo engine and extreme aerodynamics with a huge double diffuser and an even bigger wing in the back that rises a feet or 2 in the air. It's more of a race car than sports car, a line Mclaren seems to cross without maybe even knowing. That may be the reason P1 has such extreme aerodynamics that would rival a Le Mans group C car.
12C was a bit faster than 458 but lost in all important areas. Seems like it's the same all over again.
Mclaren on the other hand feels too much performance oriented. P1 has the reworked 3,8L turbo engine and extreme aerodynamics with a huge double diffuser and an even bigger wing in the back that rises a feet or 2 in the air. It's more of a race car than sports car, a line Mclaren seems to cross without maybe even knowing. That may be the reason P1 has such extreme aerodynamics that would rival a Le Mans group C car.
12C was a bit faster than 458 but lost in all important areas. Seems like it's the same all over again.
Bezor said:
I think Ferrari has nailed it just like they did with 458. There are some very essential ingredients that needs to be there in a desirable sports car, be it 458 or LaF and Chris mentioned some of them. Effortless driving and easy access to the limit. In other words a drivers car, just like 458. The drama it makes with the sound of V12. The modern aerodynamics Ferrari has used in this car that are more than enough. And obviously in comfort mode it's as comfy, if not more, than P1.
Mclaren on the other hand feels too much performance oriented. P1 has the reworked 3,8L turbo engine and extreme aerodynamics with a huge double diffuser and an even bigger wing in the back that rises a feet or 2 in the air. It's more of a race car than sports car, a line Mclaren seems to cross without maybe even knowing. That may be the reason P1 has such extreme aerodynamics that would rival a Le Mans group C car.
12C was a bit faster than 458 but lost in all important areas. Seems like it's the same all over again.
You're nearly an order of magnitude off in your downforce understanding.Mclaren on the other hand feels too much performance oriented. P1 has the reworked 3,8L turbo engine and extreme aerodynamics with a huge double diffuser and an even bigger wing in the back that rises a feet or 2 in the air. It's more of a race car than sports car, a line Mclaren seems to cross without maybe even knowing. That may be the reason P1 has such extreme aerodynamics that would rival a Le Mans group C car.
12C was a bit faster than 458 but lost in all important areas. Seems like it's the same all over again.
Certain Group C cars at their peak (1991-94) had circa 4500kg of downforce at 200mph. The P1 has a peak of 600kg.
CraigyMc said:
Bezor said:
I think Ferrari has nailed it just like they did with 458. There are some very essential ingredients that needs to be there in a desirable sports car, be it 458 or LaF and Chris mentioned some of them. Effortless driving and easy access to the limit. In other words a drivers car, just like 458. The drama it makes with the sound of V12. The modern aerodynamics Ferrari has used in this car that are more than enough. And obviously in comfort mode it's as comfy, if not more, than P1.
Mclaren on the other hand feels too much performance oriented. P1 has the reworked 3,8L turbo engine and extreme aerodynamics with a huge double diffuser and an even bigger wing in the back that rises a feet or 2 in the air. It's more of a race car than sports car, a line Mclaren seems to cross without maybe even knowing. That may be the reason P1 has such extreme aerodynamics that would rival a Le Mans group C car.
12C was a bit faster than 458 but lost in all important areas. Seems like it's the same all over again.
You're nearly an order of magnitude off in your downforce understanding.Mclaren on the other hand feels too much performance oriented. P1 has the reworked 3,8L turbo engine and extreme aerodynamics with a huge double diffuser and an even bigger wing in the back that rises a feet or 2 in the air. It's more of a race car than sports car, a line Mclaren seems to cross without maybe even knowing. That may be the reason P1 has such extreme aerodynamics that would rival a Le Mans group C car.
12C was a bit faster than 458 but lost in all important areas. Seems like it's the same all over again.
Certain Group C cars at their peak (1991-94) had circa 4500kg of downforce at 200mph. The P1 has a peak of 600kg.
Gary C said:
CraigyMc said:
Bezor said:
I think Ferrari has nailed it just like they did with 458. There are some very essential ingredients that needs to be there in a desirable sports car, be it 458 or LaF and Chris mentioned some of them. Effortless driving and easy access to the limit. In other words a drivers car, just like 458. The drama it makes with the sound of V12. The modern aerodynamics Ferrari has used in this car that are more than enough. And obviously in comfort mode it's as comfy, if not more, than P1.
Mclaren on the other hand feels too much performance oriented. P1 has the reworked 3,8L turbo engine and extreme aerodynamics with a huge double diffuser and an even bigger wing in the back that rises a feet or 2 in the air. It's more of a race car than sports car, a line Mclaren seems to cross without maybe even knowing. That may be the reason P1 has such extreme aerodynamics that would rival a Le Mans group C car.
12C was a bit faster than 458 but lost in all important areas. Seems like it's the same all over again.
You're nearly an order of magnitude off in your downforce understanding.Mclaren on the other hand feels too much performance oriented. P1 has the reworked 3,8L turbo engine and extreme aerodynamics with a huge double diffuser and an even bigger wing in the back that rises a feet or 2 in the air. It's more of a race car than sports car, a line Mclaren seems to cross without maybe even knowing. That may be the reason P1 has such extreme aerodynamics that would rival a Le Mans group C car.
12C was a bit faster than 458 but lost in all important areas. Seems like it's the same all over again.
Certain Group C cars at their peak (1991-94) had circa 4500kg of downforce at 200mph. The P1 has a peak of 600kg.
CraigyMc said:
Gary C said:
CraigyMc said:
Bezor said:
I think Ferrari has nailed it just like they did with 458. There are some very essential ingredients that needs to be there in a desirable sports car, be it 458 or LaF and Chris mentioned some of them. Effortless driving and easy access to the limit. In other words a drivers car, just like 458. The drama it makes with the sound of V12. The modern aerodynamics Ferrari has used in this car that are more than enough. And obviously in comfort mode it's as comfy, if not more, than P1.
Mclaren on the other hand feels too much performance oriented. P1 has the reworked 3,8L turbo engine and extreme aerodynamics with a huge double diffuser and an even bigger wing in the back that rises a feet or 2 in the air. It's more of a race car than sports car, a line Mclaren seems to cross without maybe even knowing. That may be the reason P1 has such extreme aerodynamics that would rival a Le Mans group C car.
12C was a bit faster than 458 but lost in all important areas. Seems like it's the same all over again.
You're nearly an order of magnitude off in your downforce understanding.Mclaren on the other hand feels too much performance oriented. P1 has the reworked 3,8L turbo engine and extreme aerodynamics with a huge double diffuser and an even bigger wing in the back that rises a feet or 2 in the air. It's more of a race car than sports car, a line Mclaren seems to cross without maybe even knowing. That may be the reason P1 has such extreme aerodynamics that would rival a Le Mans group C car.
12C was a bit faster than 458 but lost in all important areas. Seems like it's the same all over again.
Certain Group C cars at their peak (1991-94) had circa 4500kg of downforce at 200mph. The P1 has a peak of 600kg.
Bezor said:
And obviously in comfort mode it's as comfy, if not more, than P1.
Mclaren on the other hand feels too much performance oriented. P1 has the reworked 3,8L turbo engine and extreme aerodynamics with a huge double diffuser and an even bigger wing in the back that rises a feet or 2 in the air. It's more of a race car than sports car, a line Mclaren seems to cross without maybe even knowing. That may be the reason P1 has such extreme aerodynamics that would rival a Le Mans group C car.
12C was a bit faster than 458 but lost in all important areas. Seems like it's the same all over again.
You seem to know the P1 better than McLaren, or those who have driven it. Why is it "obviously just as comfortable, if not more than the P1"? I've not heard or read that? So why is it obvious? Mclaren on the other hand feels too much performance oriented. P1 has the reworked 3,8L turbo engine and extreme aerodynamics with a huge double diffuser and an even bigger wing in the back that rises a feet or 2 in the air. It's more of a race car than sports car, a line Mclaren seems to cross without maybe even knowing. That may be the reason P1 has such extreme aerodynamics that would rival a Le Mans group C car.
12C was a bit faster than 458 but lost in all important areas. Seems like it's the same all over again.
Reviews have said and shown the P1 has good comfort, refinement etc so why are you saying it's more race than road car? Did you see when Chris Goodwin was saying that their design brief was that it HAD to work as a road car first and foremost? Or did you pull that clap-trap out of your arse and take it as gospel?
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