RE: Ferrari LaFerrari: Review

[WillBrumBrum]

Shall I compare thee to a summers day?
Thou art more like my A level subjects:
LaFerrari do remind me of the darling buds of Art,
And P1's lease hath all memories of Design Technology;
Whereas one will leave thy 918 in the Physics lab.

[michaelcolby83]

renaultgeek said:

Henry Fiddleton said:

British P1 for me please.

would you have bought an austin montego over an audi?

I'd take the porsche any day.

Would you have bought an Audi over a Rolls Royce?

[250GTE]

Great to see the worlds top sportscar makers really pushing it.
Not sure which way I would go.
Sadly never likely to have to make the choice !

[250GTE]

Thinking about it, probably not the Porsche

[DonkeyApple]

As great as this car is, for me, it gives off an aura of 'current generation'. The P1 just seems to say 'next generation'.

I find the P1 infinitely more exciting as a window into the future. It just seems to have far more impact and presence. I just feel that Macca have done something genuinely new.

[rosino]

Great review Chris.. and f##k the embargo system..

Unlikely I will drive/own either.. but might drive/own one of their lesser cousins/brothers/sisters... and indeed reading about the flagship does have repercussions on your feelings for those more "affordable" models...

For me as you say the noise could be the deciding factor.. I just know n/a noise is just something else.. and if you are buying into "emotions" like you are in this case.. then the n/a noise would win over the knowledge that the P1 has the downforce of a F1 car of the 80s (or thereabout)..

Interesting about the brakes though where clearly McLaren seem to have taken the lead with their out-of-space-Akebono set-up.. whilst Ferrari sticks with the old trusted Brembo CCM which doesn't look like it's made any significant changes over the last 10yrs (correct me if I am wrong but I have seen mere "evolutions" nothing more..)

[Dale487]

converted lurker said:

I don't know why but I prefer the Porsche 918.

It's amazing how engineering of motor cars still is capable of making leaps.

Me too.

I'll have a 918 in the liquid silver with green detailing on the interior - like motor show concept car - please.

[filski666]

"I enclose a picture of the motor's torque curve "

?? where?

[CraigyMc]

DeltonaS said:

Quickmoose said:

Porsche has the beauty
McLaren has the brains and brawn
This?....this perhaps is the middle ground...with the more globally renowned pedigree for what that is worth.

Just McLaren as the brains ??

Not entirely right, Ferrari seem to have the edge over McLaren in both the brake regen aswell as the hybrid integration resulting in a more analoge and complete engine package. Besides the LF is a little lighter and comes with a N/A engine.

You should maybe read up a bit on how the P1 regens. It actually does regen under braking, it just uses engine power to do the regen while braking rather than trying to take it out of the brakes themselves.

For what it's worth, having read everything available on all three systems (Lala, 918, P1), I think the Lala's electrical system is the least well thought out of the three.

As for the weights, it'll be interesting to see what happens when all three end up on a real world weighbridge rather than a marketing pamphlet.

[Ollywood]

filski666 said:

"I enclose a picture of the motor's torque curve "

?? where?

Yep +1

And for a Ferrari hypercar it does lack some revolutionary looks like the P1 has. It's a little bit of a mix of Enzo and the others F's. Just don't really seem to capture the zeitgeist as well as the P1. And is this going to be their last V12 hypercar I hope not.

[bozzy101]

Chris,

Do you think Ferrari tweaked the car used by yourself to perform better than normal?

(Only joking...don't answer that)

[lockup]

http://www.cauleyferrari.com/cauleyferrari/showroo...

Click on Technology tab to see stylised torque curve with no units. Is seeing that better than not seeing it? I don't know.

[paranoid airbag]

Ed. said:

A nice read, look forward to the video.

article said:

I'd like one on black.

Is this another name for finance or a typo?

A way to make roulette... interesting.

[ManFromDelmonte]

I'm surprised to see so much love for the 918. From what I've read seems it's already been made obsolete by the LaF and the P1.

[Itsallicanafford]

finally, a mention of the Prius in a 918, P1, Lefezza review (although, a bit of a back handed compliment). I would eat my eco Hemp hat if there are not neatly disceted Prius's tucked away at Woking, Weissach and Maranello.

[Bencolem]

jon- said:

shalmaneser said:

Chris Hassis said said:

For all those people who can't understand why a car of this type might benefit from any electric assistance I enclose a picture of the motor's torque curve - it's straight out of a race car; a perfect horizontal line.

Just out of interest I'd like to see the torque curve please, have I missed it somehow?

This is why I came here too.

Me too - torque curve please!

[rgw2012]

Bencolem said:

jon- said:

shalmaneser said:

Chris Hassis said said:

For all those people who can't understand why a car of this type might benefit from any electric assistance I enclose a picture of the motor's torque curve - it's straight out of a race car; a perfect horizontal line.

Just out of interest I'd like to see the torque curve please, have I missed it somehow?

This is why I came here too.

Me too - torque curve please!

Surely a "perfect horizontal line" is not a curve anyway and would look fairly similar to this in any picture ----------------------------------------

[filski666]

from the link provided above:

[RemarkLima]

I prefer the styling of the P1 myself.

CraigyMc said:

You should maybe read up a bit on how the P1 regens. It actually does regen under braking, it just uses engine power to do the regen while braking rather than trying to take it out of the brakes themselves.

I thought that was how all hybrids regened under braking, just reverse the electric motor into a generator, not really taking anything from the brakes, or harvesting anything from the physical brakes themselves?

The hard part is when the modulating the generator (was e-motor) with the brake pedal pressure, and if the batteries are full, when to use the brakes instead of the motor.

Stand to be corrected of course!

[epom]

Dale487 said:

converted lurker said:

I don't know why but I prefer the Porsche 918.

It's amazing how engineering of motor cars still is capable of making leaps.

Me too.

I'll have a 918 in the liquid silver with green detailing on the interior - like motor show concept car - please.

Oddly the same applies here, still can't decide why !!