RE: Honda Civic Mugen Type RR: Spotted
Discussion
Matt Bird said:
vz-r_dave said:
Track_Cit said:
In fairness to the owner, the comment about the pricing being steep is not helpful to his sale. I can however see both sides of the argument.
Lovely car, it is a lot of cash, but if someone is willing to pay that then it's worth it to them. I'd love one, just for the noise alone!
The comment about looking like a moron in it is moronic in itself. It's a special edition limited car not some chav wagon with a stuck on spoiler?
If the poster of the comment is older than 18 he is indeed a moron, any younger then it is to be expected I guess.Lovely car, it is a lot of cash, but if someone is willing to pay that then it's worth it to them. I'd love one, just for the noise alone!
The comment about looking like a moron in it is moronic in itself. It's a special edition limited car not some chav wagon with a stuck on spoiler?
Agreed on the article, PH should inform owners when they are going to post an article relating to their classifieds. This should also be stated in the T&C's.
Cheers,
Matt
I would flip this and even see it as a possible revenue opportunity. Additional service for those who want to sell through PH. Of course you will need to disable anyone from posting on the article tho
240bhp .... of all my days dyno'ing Hondas, not one of them made anywhere close to their factory stated HP outputs, so one would guess they are bench dyno results no with A/C, P/S etc attached. The S2000 was 'meant' to have 237hp and made about 220 on the Dyno Dynamics. Honda playing up to the press again...
Matt Bird said:
Thanks for the feedback here guys, we'll bear it in mind in future. Only reason (to me at least) it seemed a lot was because an £8K difference between Type R and RR appears to have widened and the price was more than it cost new. Suppose mileage and rarity contributes but it was an opinion and I did say 'appears'. FWIW I love the car.
Cheers,
Matt
Interestingly, according to Evo, they cost £8k more to buy than the standard FD2 in the first place. I wonder how this compares to other special editions from other compaines. Cheers,
Matt
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2248...
Edited by Type R Tom on Tuesday 3rd June 13:49
ChrisPackit said:
240bhp .... of all my days dyno'ing Hondas, not one of them made anywhere close to their factory stated HP outputs, so one would guess they are bench dyno results no with A/C, P/S etc attached. The S2000 was 'meant' to have 237hp and made about 220 on the Dyno Dynamics. Honda playing up to the press again...
Interesting, because just about everyone else seems to say that they make over their claimed BHP!vz-r_dave said:
Much better in what way? What do you define as better? Do people who buy this type of car care about the fact a Euro hatch is able to beat it in a straight line? Beat it around the ring? The likelihood is no. Those that spend 35k on a 2 cylinder Honda do so because they want something special. They are not your typical small man syndrome type who buy a hot hatch because it is the fastest.
Those that state that they would go and buy a used Porsche for the same money, ever consider that someone with 35k laying around doesn't already have one?
The sheer ignorance on PH (getting worse by the day) astounds me.
Much better in comfort that's assured and obvious,also faster,and probably a much better package for a fraction of the money.Those that state that they would go and buy a used Porsche for the same money, ever consider that someone with 35k laying around doesn't already have one?
The sheer ignorance on PH (getting worse by the day) astounds me.
If a car is "special" to be considered by you better than many other obvious much better alternatives then you need your head checked and everyone who would spend 35k on this.
Indeed the sheer ignorance on PH astounds me.
ChrisPackit said:
240bhp .... of all my days dyno'ing Hondas, not one of them made anywhere close to their factory stated HP outputs, so one would guess they are bench dyno results no with A/C, P/S etc attached. The S2000 was 'meant' to have 237hp and made about 220 on the Dyno Dynamics. Honda playing up to the press again...
Let me get this straight...You are comparing an engine-dyno certified power curve (in which the engine is put on the dyno in its "as installed condition i.e. all accessories etc) to a chassis dyno which puts up a random percentage for drivetrain losses which it has no way of knowing or even sensibly estimating.
That correct?
See the problem?
STI VI said:
Type R Tom said:
Wow for someone who has just made £35k you're in a bit of a mood!
Without getting into a long winded debate, please put yourself in my shoes. I have paid a fee to PH to sell a car, my pictures have been re-used and the article which would not of helped my discussion with any potential buyer, I think that is unprofessional.I have written a complaint to Pistonheads already, I am happy with the deposit taken, but the sale has not gone through yet but that is not the point of my frustration here.
KarlMac said:
Its pretty mental. Although it does reinforce popular stereotypes about Type R owners.
What stereotypes are they then? That they don't like people writing articles about their cars?FWIW, I think the article is fair and honest. The RR moniker is a bit silly, save that for the bikes which deserve it.
Hoygo 2 said:
vz-r_dave said:
Much better in what way? What do you define as better? Do people who buy this type of car care about the fact a Euro hatch is able to beat it in a straight line? Beat it around the ring? The likelihood is no. Those that spend 35k on a 2 cylinder Honda do so because they want something special. They are not your typical small man syndrome type who buy a hot hatch because it is the fastest.
Those that state that they would go and buy a used Porsche for the same money, ever consider that someone with 35k laying around doesn't already have one?
The sheer ignorance on PH (getting worse by the day) astounds me.
Much better in comfort that's assured and obvious,also faster,and probably a much better package for a fraction of the money.Those that state that they would go and buy a used Porsche for the same money, ever consider that someone with 35k laying around doesn't already have one?
The sheer ignorance on PH (getting worse by the day) astounds me.
If a car is "special" to be considered by you better than many other obvious much better alternatives then you need your head checked and everyone who would spend 35k on this.
Indeed the sheer ignorance on PH astounds me.
It is very niche, it's like going and spending 20k on an Escort Mk1 when you could use that on an M3 or cheap Porsche. This car does not appeal to the mas-market, it was never supposed to. Hence why you completely miss the point with your comments relating to it not being as good as it's so called competition.
Some might say anyone who spends 35k on any car needs their head checked
It is down to the perceived value and we all value things differently. I wouldn't spend 35k if it was my only 35k but there are those out there that have enough cash to own this and multiple others.Edited by vz-r_dave on Tuesday 3rd June 14:07
Here's some pics from a few years back, I believe before the current owner had it. A very nice car indeed. A friends standard FD2 was used for parts on a temp basis to get this RR onto UK roads.
This is the best FD2/FN2 production car available in my eyes. Much better than the limited Mugen run they did on the FN2.
This is the best FD2/FN2 production car available in my eyes. Much better than the limited Mugen run they did on the FN2.
STI VI said:
Type R Tom said:
Wow for someone who has just made £35k you're in a bit of a mood!
Without getting into a long winded debate, please put yourself in my shoes. I have paid a fee to PH to sell a car, my pictures have been re-used and the article which would not of helped my discussion with any potential buyer, I think that is unprofessional.I have written a complaint to Pistonheads already, I am happy with the deposit taken, but the sale has not gone through yet but that is not the point of my frustration here.
Strange.
MatthewCollings said:
My thoughts exactly. 35k could easily buy you something a lot faster and nicer to drive on the real roads, not to mention you wouldn't look like a moron.
You still might...Agree with the seller - unprofessional to say it's overpriced. Yes it's free advertising but not positive advertising.
vz-r_dave said:
Hoygo 2 said:
vz-r_dave said:
Much better in what way? What do you define as better? Do people who buy this type of car care about the fact a Euro hatch is able to beat it in a straight line? Beat it around the ring? The likelihood is no. Those that spend 35k on a 2 cylinder Honda do so because they want something special. They are not your typical small man syndrome type who buy a hot hatch because it is the fastest.
Those that state that they would go and buy a used Porsche for the same money, ever consider that someone with 35k laying around doesn't already have one?
The sheer ignorance on PH (getting worse by the day) astounds me.
Much better in comfort that's assured and obvious,also faster,and probably a much better package for a fraction of the money.Those that state that they would go and buy a used Porsche for the same money, ever consider that someone with 35k laying around doesn't already have one?
The sheer ignorance on PH (getting worse by the day) astounds me.
If a car is "special" to be considered by you better than many other obvious much better alternatives then you need your head checked and everyone who would spend 35k on this.
Indeed the sheer ignorance on PH astounds me.
It is very niche, it's like going and spending 20k on an Escort Mk1 when you could use that on an M3 or cheap Porsche. This car does not appeal to the mas-market, it was never supposed to. Hence why you completely miss the point with your comments relating to it not being as good as it's so called competition.
Some might say anyone who spends 35k on any car needs their head checked
It is down to the perceived value and we all value things differently. I wouldn't spend 35k if it was my only 35k but there are those out there that have enough cash to own this and multiple others.Edited by vz-r_dave on Tuesday 3rd June 14:07
I was saying that many fanboys jump the gun thinking a car that costs 35k and is the only one in the country automatically is much better than the supposed competition.
This car is probably owned by someone who has a garage full of supercars now and other rarities .
Edited by Hoygo 2 on Tuesday 3rd June 14:45
giger said:
ChrisPackit said:
240bhp .... of all my days dyno'ing Hondas, not one of them made anywhere close to their factory stated HP outputs, so one would guess they are bench dyno results no with A/C, P/S etc attached. The S2000 was 'meant' to have 237hp and made about 220 on the Dyno Dynamics. Honda playing up to the press again...
Interesting, because just about everyone else seems to say that they make over their claimed BHP!And yes, it is well known for Honda to under value their factory bhp figures
Back on Topic: I'm not sure I could afford to ever purchase one especially @ 35k Sterling....
I do love it too though....
BTW, how much does this translate to??
http://hondacars.kamikaze-drive.com/CIVIC017.htm
Complaints aside, that is a beast of a car and is obviously very rare - I love it and as I like my fast Hondas I think it's f-ing awesome, the people who are going on about the price and what you can get for the money clearly do not "get it".
According to the current owner there is one in the UK, one, and it appears to have been well maintained and will certainly give a wild ride - the market for this sort of car is small, sure, but it's one I'd glady be a part of. Keep your Porsche.
According to the current owner there is one in the UK, one, and it appears to have been well maintained and will certainly give a wild ride - the market for this sort of car is small, sure, but it's one I'd glady be a part of. Keep your Porsche.
Thunder18 said:
BTW, how much does this translate to??
http://hondacars.kamikaze-drive.com/CIVIC017.htm
Difficult to say, because you need to add any sales taxes in Japan, plus import duty, VAT, get the car SVA'd etc. 4,980,000 Yen = £29055. At that price, it makes the one that has just sold here a bargain! For comparison, when I imported an FD2 new, the Yen/£ made the car about £12.5k from memory but cost over £20k with all fees applied.http://hondacars.kamikaze-drive.com/CIVIC017.htm
Type R Tom said:
Interestingly, according to Evo, they cost £8k more to buy than the standard FD2 in the first place. I wonder how this compares to other special editions from other compaines.
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2248...
Whats the delta when new to now of the E46 M3 and M3 CSL. Cant say Ive seen the CSL cited as 'too expensive'.http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/2248...
Edited by Type R Tom on Tuesday 3rd June 13:49
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