Badly modified cars thread Mk2
Discussion
DoubleD said:
Youre not a car enthusiast if you dont like the above.....
It's not about liking, it's about appreciating.For example, I don't like the Boxster. Looks girly, not really a fan of convertibles and I wouldn't own one. BUT, I know it's an excellent car, appreciate the engineering and performance, and would happily recommend one to someone.
Strudul said:
tickious said:
Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322493836574
Wouldn't call that badly modified...Conversely I like Jon Sibal's RWB 964
h0b0 said:
What you are saying is that you can tell the "quality" of the "improvements" by looking at a picture from one angle? I myself couldn't tell you if it was a concourse stunner or a Lipu cut and shut based on how shiney the paint job is.
Well there's lots of pictures from different angles in most cases....Just don't see why there's so much hate on emulating race car aero.
Let me put it this way, here's some time attack cars (see below).
Based on the comments in this thread, these cars would class as "badly modified", but in fact they are quite the opposite, they are optimally modified for a specific purpose.
Admittedly, most road cars with big aero etc haven't been properly engineered to make the aero as effective as possible, but if the intention was just to copy the design because they liked the style, then I don't see the problem with that.
Based on the comments in this thread, these cars would class as "badly modified", but in fact they are quite the opposite, they are optimally modified for a specific purpose.
Admittedly, most road cars with big aero etc haven't been properly engineered to make the aero as effective as possible, but if the intention was just to copy the design because they liked the style, then I don't see the problem with that.
Strudul said:
That BMW is on huge wheels and low-profile tyres
Which, whilst not what I'd chose personally, don't really detract from the 600+bhp supercharged M3 drivetrain swap. Also, from what I can see those are show wheels; when it's spotted out in the wild, as opposed to at shows, it normally runs 19" BBS wheels.
Strudul said:
while that VXR220 has all the "stuck-on aerodynamics" (BGW, pointless cosmetic vents, splitter and side steps) that the S2K was being accused of.
The only difference is that S2K has RB / LW / SD style over-fenders.
Actually, the only difference is that the modifications on the 220 are functional, given that it's a 600-bhp track car, whereas the S2000 is mechanically standard but dressed up to look like a track car. Or, in other words, all mouth and no trousers.The only difference is that S2K has RB / LW / SD style over-fenders.
Strudul said:
Based on the comments in this thread, these cars would class as "badly modified"
No, they wouldn't. If you can't tell the difference between an 800bhp carbon-bodied out-and-out racing car, and a mechanically unmodified S2000 running bolt-on arches, fake aero and Rotas and pretending to be a "track" car despite having almost no money spent on things that might actually improve it's track performance, then frankly you're an idiot.ManOpener said:
Which, whilst not what I'd chose personally, don't really detract from the 600+bhp supercharged M3 drivetrain swap.
Also, from what I can see those are show wheels; when it's spotted out in the wild, as opposed to at shows, it normally runs 19" BBS wheels.
Actually, the only difference is that the modifications on the 220 are functional, given that it's a 600-bhp track car, whereas the S2000 is mechanically standard but dressed up to look like a track car. Or, in other words, all mouth and no trousers.
No, they wouldn't. If you can't tell the difference between an 800bhp carbon-bodied out-and-out racing car, and a mechanically unmodified S2000 running bolt-on arches, fake aero and Rotas and pretending to be a "track" car despite having almost no money spent on things that might actually improve it's track performance, then frankly you're an idiot.
Right, because everyone in this thread is researching the cars and not just judging based on the pictures....Also, from what I can see those are show wheels; when it's spotted out in the wild, as opposed to at shows, it normally runs 19" BBS wheels.
Actually, the only difference is that the modifications on the 220 are functional, given that it's a 600-bhp track car, whereas the S2000 is mechanically standard but dressed up to look like a track car. Or, in other words, all mouth and no trousers.
No, they wouldn't. If you can't tell the difference between an 800bhp carbon-bodied out-and-out racing car, and a mechanically unmodified S2000 running bolt-on arches, fake aero and Rotas and pretending to be a "track" car despite having almost no money spent on things that might actually improve it's track performance, then frankly you're an idiot.
The S2K isn't standard. It's not on the same level of as the 220, but there are plenty of performance / track oriented mods if you read the ad. Despite what you might think, that aero is functional and will make some positive difference. As I say, it's not setup to be perfect, but it will definitely do something. Do some research and you will find plenty of examples of people using cheap, stock BGWs etc and seeing benefits.
I'm not saying we should all marvel at that S2K, but from a purely aesthetic PoV, it's not a bad job of replicating the look of a track car and it's unfair to group it with some of the abominations in this thread.
Without seeing / hearing the car close up or doing research, I'd argue it's almost impossible to know the HP of a car. Someone could visually replicate a track car exterior perfectly and then stick a Nissan Micra engine in it, so claiming to be some all-knowing master who can differentiate from a picture would make you the idiot.
FYI, it does have a CF boot lid / bonnet and bolt-on arches are a common wide-body style (see LW, RB, SD, RWB).
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
First I thought the awful aftermarket wheels were the worst, then I saw the snake-skin effect vinyl wrap on the interior
First I thought the awful aftermarket wheels were the worst, then I saw the snake-skin effect vinyl wrap on the interior
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Except the TA cars above are all proven on competition and built with large budgets by tuning companies, even the S15 while technically home built has had input from some of Japan's best tuners, and huuuuggeeee amounts of actual aero testing. That car wouldn't be as fast as it is if it was just cobbled together with some home made semi fake carbon and the side panels from an old fridge. 
Rich_W said:
I like it.
But I'm amazed that in 150 years of cars, there has never been a more elegant design of windscreen wiper. They're the same whether its a Dacia or a McLaren P1. Sodding great arm and rubber blade.
One of my pet peeves too. I recall someone like McLaren experimenting with an airflow idea but some things just doggedly resist progress. Even the aerospace industry still uses them.But I'm amazed that in 150 years of cars, there has never been a more elegant design of windscreen wiper. They're the same whether its a Dacia or a McLaren P1. Sodding great arm and rubber blade.
Strudul said:
Right, because everyone in this thread is researching the cars and not just judging based on the pictures....
The vast majority of the cars picked up in the other thread are well known by enthusiasts. Most of the abortions in this thread seem to come from sales or auction sites, so it's not like it requires much sleuthing.Strudul said:
The S2K isn't standard.
Mechanically, it is. Well aside from random braces and apparently unbranded "adjustable" suspension. Neither of which sells "track car" to me.Strudul said:
It's not on the same level of as the 220, but there are plenty of performance / track oriented mods if you read the ad.
Naa, there are plenty of mods that sound kind of like performance or track mods at first glance, but are basically just poser w
kery. Like splashing loads of money on overfenders and big Rotas with fake aero, and leaving 100kg of room mechanism in place. Then bragging about it as if it's a benefit on something being sold as a track car.Strudul said:
Despite what you might think, that aero is functional
Is it? I assume you've got some kind of evidence to prove this and aren't just assuming they are because you saw something vaguely similar on a time attack car once?Strudul said:
As I say, it's not setup to be perfect
It's definitely not set up to be a track car.Strudul said:
Do some research and you will find plenty of examples of people using cheap, stock BGWs etc and seeing benefits.
How about you provide evidence that fitting random wings or spoilers to vehicles without real consideration for airflow, aerodynamics or anything else vaguely relevant actually improves performance?Strudul said:
it's not a bad job of replicating the look of a track car
Which in this case is basically the same as saying "well that drag queen hasn't done a bad job of replicating the look of a woman".Strudul said:
Without seeing / hearing the car close up or doing research, I'd argue it's almost impossible to know the HP of a car.
In the case of the S2000, a claim is made in the as that's about 10bhp up on an unmolested one. The VX and BMW are well knownStrudul said:
Someone could visually replicate a track car exterior perfectly and then stick a Nissan Micra engine in it
Now you're just being silly.Strudul said:
FYI, it does have a CF boot lid / bonnet and bolt-on arches are a common wide-body style (see LW, RB, SD, RWB).
...and? None of these mods are done to increase performance. If there was any real burning desire to aid performance by removing weight, the heavy roof mechanism would have been junked instead of spending a fortune or random carbon bits. They wouldn't be running bolt on arches for unnecessarily wide, very heavy cast Rotas.It's a posing pouch built to trick idiots into thinking it's a racing car, and you've fallen for it hook, line and sinker.
Edited by ManOpener on Tuesday 2nd May 23:06
Speed 3 said:
Rich_W said:
I like it.
But I'm amazed that in 150 years of cars, there has never been a more elegant design of windscreen wiper. They're the same whether its a Dacia or a McLaren P1. Sodding great arm and rubber blade.
One of my pet peeves too. I recall someone like McLaren experimenting with an airflow idea but some things just doggedly resist progress. Even the aerospace industry still uses them.But I'm amazed that in 150 years of cars, there has never been a more elegant design of windscreen wiper. They're the same whether its a Dacia or a McLaren P1. Sodding great arm and rubber blade.
You can't really beat them to be honest, simple design, easy to replace.
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