Badly modified cars thread Mk2

[mak250300]

Cledus Snow said:

Saw.

Thanks for the correcting. I got the feeling when I was a kid and got the red pen mark on the A4 sheet. It would be saw (lower case) for me though.

[mak250300]

I can see how some people like the front but the rear is hideous.

I found out it was called an ETV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dufSxQn4aQ8

[Strudul]

ManOpener said:

Is it? I assume you've got some kind of evidence to prove this and aren't just assuming they are because you saw something vaguely similar on a time attack car once?

How about you provide evidence that fitting random wings or spoilers to vehicles without real consideration for airflow, aerodynamics or anything else vaguely relevant actually improves performance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycU0S0WJ-gQ

Or you can spend 2 minutes on Google and find a load more testing to support my statement.

ManOpener said:

Which in this case is basically the same as saying "well that drag queen hasn't done a bad job of replicating the look of a woman".

More like one of those Thai ladbyboys where you can't tell the difference until you take a peak at the goods.

ManOpener said:

In the case of the S2000, a claim is made in the as that's about 10bhp up on an unmolested one. The VX and BMW are well known

But people are judging based on the pictures, not the stats, so that's irrelevant.

ManOpener said:

...and? None of these mods are done to increase performance. If there was any real burning desire to aid performance by removing weight, the heavy roof mechanism would have been junked instead of spending a fortune or random carbon bits. They wouldn't be running bolt on arches for unnecessarily wide, very heavy cast Rotas.

There are performance mods.
There are cosmetic mods.
It's clearly still intended to be used for road use.
Just because he hasn't gone all out doesn't make it bad.

ManOpener said:

It's a posing pouch built to trick idiots into thinking it's a racing car, and you've fallen for it hook, line and sinker.

It's not built to trick idiots at all. The guy clearly liked the style and copied it, whilst adding some mods to help performance on track days.

At the end of the day, it's his car and he did what made him happy. Deal with it.

[ManOpener]

Strudul said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycU0S0WJ-gQ

One cherry-picked YouTube video does not constitute universal evidence that all large bolt-on wings add performance, nor does it provide evidence that the wing on the car in question is adding performance. To pretend it does either is ridiculous.

Strudul said:

But people are judging based on the pictures, not the stats, so that's irrelevant.

Are they?

Firstly, it was hardly universally condemned. That's not an uncommon occurrence in this thread.
Secondly, the auction was posted initially, not the pictures. Anyone who followed the link would have plainly been able to see the spec list.

Strudul said:

It's clearly still intended to be used for road use.

Then why is the seller advertising it as a "track car"? If he wants to have a compromised race replica for the road then that's fine (I mean, I'll still laugh at it, but hey). But don't pretend it's a track car rather than a posing pouch.

It's possible to have a car that does both, but it's not really that either given the owner appears to have spent vastly more on bolt-on bodywork, polybushes and various braces, instead of improving the performance of the car. I'd be surprised if it was either faster on a track, or more enjoyable on a road, than an unmodified one.

For the record, though, lots of us who currently or previously own(ed) modified cars have been there. I've got some sympathy for the whole learning curve of modifying given that I've had some ridiculously compromised cars in the past. But your defence of this particular car and misguided attacks on anyone criticising it are farcical. Is it yours, perchance?

Strudul said:

At the end of the day, it's his car and he did what made him happy. Deal with it.

At the end of the day, it's my opinion that it's a compromised, naff posing pouch dressed up to look vaguely like a racing car. He can't be that happy with it if he's selling (and cheap, too) and even if he is, I don't really care. Deal with it.

[S54Love]

Been looking at CRX's for a while now, to have on the side before they start to creep up in price.

This 'fast & furious' looking car popped up on eBay a few days ago:




I won't link to the advert, as per forum rules, but you can find it yourself if you want to.
Not sure how I feel to be honest.. In my opinion, I think it looks like garbage; I think I'd prefer it stock.. Does anyone else feel the same?

[DocJock]

That's bad...

[STILLJOE]

like a couple of others that have appeared on here - I have nostalgic feelings about that as it's from a time when I would have aspired to have something similar. It was a late 90s thing - unfortunately like brightly coloured shellsuits before them, cars like this haven't aged well.

[Strudul]

ManOpener said:

Lots of moaning

Explained why you're wrong and gave you proof, if you need more you can do your own research.

Sure, it's posing to an extent, but the rest of the accusations are unjust and it's not badly done. I don't see people hating on Cobra replicas because they aren't the real thing.

If you don't think uprated bushes and braces help performance, then there really isn't any point having this conversation and if you bothered to read the ad, it says he's selling to fund a wedding.

And no, it's not mine, and I've got no connection to it. This is mine:

[DoubleD]

"hating on"

what does that mean?

[Strudul]

DoubleD said:

"hating on"

what does that mean?

Strong dislike or hostility towards

[AlexRS2782]

S54Love said:

Been looking at CRX's for a while now, to have on the side before they start to creep up in price.

This 'fast & furious' looking car popped up on eBay a few days ago:




I won't link to the advert, as per forum rules, but you can find it yourself if you want to.
Not sure how I feel to be honest.. In my opinion, I think it looks like garbage; I think I'd prefer it stock.. Does anyone else feel the same?

Blimey that's a throwback to a time when that sort of thing was a regular sight on the road or at car shows, etc. Looking back I'd have happily driven something similar to that, given that it was the trend at the time but, thankfully, I never went that route myself.

From the pictures, surprisingly, that one actually seems to have held up quite well bodywork wise. I'd say a fair portion of cars modified around that era, that seem to come up for sale, have normally suffered from the inevitable cracking of fibreglass kits and / or serious paint fade from the dodgy garage blow over it got a few days before it went to a mag shoot / show, etc.

[ambuletz]

tacky as it is and something I would never do (to that extent) on a car I kinda miss seeing them around too. I remember about 10 years ago my dad servicing someones vauxhal tigra that had the 90s subaru impreza rally car logo on the side of it, but instead of having the stars in the middle it had the mortal kombat dragon symbol.

[OddCat]

DoubleD said:

"hating on"

what does that mean?

.....I think it is only a very small step away from "my bad" the use of which, in my humble opinion, is worthy of a call to the local constabulary......

[DoubleD]

OddCat said:

DoubleD said:

"hating on"

what does that mean?

.....I think it is only a very small step away from "my bad" the use of which, in my humble opinion, is worthy of a call to the local constabulary......

Are you "hating on" "my bad" ?

[Glasgowrob]

that S2000 is utterly god awful,

and I would put good money on given equally talented drivers a stock S2000 would horse it round a track,

covering a car in bolt on arches and ridiculous carbon additions does not a race car make.

[Drive Blind]

Escort3500 said:

Well yes, I would turn my nose up at this effort, so I'm clearly not a car enthusiast...

[Hugo a Gogo]

[MarshPhantom]

ambuletz said:

tacky as it is and something I would never do (to that extent) on a car I kinda miss seeing them around too. I remember about 10 years ago my dad servicing someones vauxhal tigra that had the 90s subaru impreza rally car logo on the side of it, but instead of having the stars in the middle it had the mortal kombat dragon symbol.

I saw a fairly nice one a couple of days ago, don't think I've seen one for years.

[ManOpener]

Strudul said:

Explained why you're wrong and gave you proof, if you need more you can do your own research.

Failed to provide satisfactory "proof" (I think you mean "evidence" anyway) for this particular circumstance, then resorts to an escape hatch fallacy in a feeble attempt to try and dodge this. Nice.

Strudul said:

but the rest of the accusations are unjust and it's not badly done.

It's "badly done" if, as the advert title suggests, his intent was to make a track car. Had it been advertised as "track car style" or something like that, it wouldn't be badly done. It would still look naff though, and rightly be discussed here. The quality of the modifications in question isn't really the issue here; are you seriously going to tell me that this:

Isn't badly modified because it's not filled with expanding foam and held together with zip ties?

Strudul said:

I don't see people hating on Cobra replicas because they aren't the real thing.

If they were advertised as "Cobra replicas" but had four-pot Zetec engines and only really looked like a Cobra which had been described down a crackly phone line to someone with a toddler's grasp of English, they would absolutely be "hated" on.

Strudul said:

If you don't think uprated bushes and braces help performance, then there really isn't any point having this conversation

You would do well to learn to actually read. I don't think I said, or even suggested, that uprated bushes or braces couldn't be performance modifications. But I'm sure you're aware that replacing all the bushes and bolting braces to every single bit of the car which will accommodate them isn't necessarily going to increase performance, especially in the absence of specific other modifications or changes in geometry to support them. Plenty of people have removed additional stiffening when it's caused either excessive understeer or oversteer, both of which are detrimental to performance, so it's nothing like as universal a performance improvement as you seem to think it is.

[OddCat]

DoubleD said:

OddCat said:

DoubleD said:

"hating on"

what does that mean?

.....I think it is only a very small step away from "my bad" the use of which, in my humble opinion, is worthy of a call to the local constabulary......

Are you "hating on" "my bad" ?

....dials 999....."Police please. Yes, I'd like please to report a crime against the English language......"