RE: £10K motorway speeding fines
Discussion
I have no issue with this if speed limits are reviewed and corrected but they won't be. Motorway limit could easily be 80mph as promised by the Tories 4 years ago while some town limits could be reduced to 25 or 20. At the moment we have stupid speed limits and people treat them with disrespect. In my area we have an excellent wide A road limited to 40, with turnings off into country B roads limited at 50. 
Lots of people getting their knickers in a twist over this. It doesn't appear to be about fining people more for speeding. It seems to me that all this is doing is simply updating the limits to which those sentencing can theoretically fine someone who has committed a certain type of offence. Limits which, presumably, are out of date and haven't been changed for some time?
michaelcolby83 said:
bozzy101 said:
michaelcolby83 said:
No, a 5 mile oval which can be driven flat out all the way around. Rockingham on track days is not such a track, there are multiple slow corners and the straights are not that long (like on 1001 other tracks).
Milbrook has a fairly decent High speed ring. I managed 110mph on that :-)I came to the conclusion there is nowhere in Britain where you can pay to do a few top speed, flat out laps.
Technomad said:
Why the BBC continues to give airtime to the soundbite loonies at BRAKE, I just don't know: BRAKE is, and always has been, a collective of genetically frightened control freaks, whose bigoted gibberings are precisely NOTHING to do with road safety. I wonder if they're planning a merger with UKIP?
My understanding is that BRAKE is a charity, but a government funded/supported charity that wouldn't exist were it not for said Govt. funds. Remember the promised bonfire of the Quangos? They forgot to mention they wouldn't include 'charitable' organisations like BRAKE that serve a political purpose.As for speeding fines on motorways; if you can travel at 85/90 MPH on a motorway, you are probably in company of others doing much the same, if not more. Unless you are the standout a
hole doing over the ton whilst everyone else is doing 80 then Plod isn't going to be too bothered with you. Tailgating, weaving, ludicrous speed and lane hogging are more interesting to them than picking out one motorist amongst many speeding a bit.And to the guy who has spent his life saving for his Porsche. It's not what you drive that interests Plod or the magistrates, (within reason, driving a knackered Mini with no brakes is not a good idea at any speed) its how you drive it. If you're doing 79mph (70mph + 10% + 2mph) which is generally the measurement applied as I understand it, you're unlikely to get nicked. But whatever your speed the condition of your car is a mitigating, or aggravating element as are road and weather conditions, prevailing traffic, time of day/night as well as your condition/attitude when stopped.
Magistrates will take all these into consideration as well as your disposable income, your Grannys health, your impending divorce, marriage, birth of your kids, death of your dog etc. Our courts really couldn't be much fairer.
Lazygraduate said:
Lots of people getting their knickers in a twist over this. It doesn't appear to be about fining people more for speeding. It seems to me that all this is doing is simply updating the limits to which those sentencing can theoretically fine someone who has committed a certain type of offence. Limits which, presumably, are out of date and haven't been changed for some time?
Pretty much this. There are 5 standard levels of fines. They are proposing they are to be increased. Because this includes all offences which include the standard scale fines, people with agendas have focused it on motoring offences.
Technomad said:
robinessex said:
Oh, yes, so we all believe 'spokemen', don't we. I notice BRAKE are already on the radio blabbering about it.
BRAKE QUOTE
But James McLoughlin, from road safety charity Brake, backed tougher penalties for speeding drivers.
He said: "Speed is one of the biggest killers on our roads and, through the support we provide for victims of road crashes, we bear witness to the devastating effects of speeding.
Where does he get such complete bks from ?
http://www.abd.org.uk/pr/813.htm
Why the BBC continues to give airtime to the soundbite loonies at BRAKE, I just don't know: BRAKE is, and always has been, a collective of genetically frightened control freaks, whose bigoted gibberings are precisely NOTHING to do with road safety. I wonder if they're planning a merger with UKIP?BRAKE QUOTE
But James McLoughlin, from road safety charity Brake, backed tougher penalties for speeding drivers.
He said: "Speed is one of the biggest killers on our roads and, through the support we provide for victims of road crashes, we bear witness to the devastating effects of speeding.
Where does he get such complete b
ks from ?http://www.abd.org.uk/pr/813.htm
Edited by robinessex on Tuesday 10th June 11:44
Also speed is not the biggest factor in road deaths, yet this ignoramus keeps spurting it out and the general public just soak it all in.
Edited by dc2rr07 on Tuesday 10th June 22:54
Be interesting if ABD publicly identified and signposted all sections of UK motorways similar to unrestricted sections of the autobahns, just to highlight our irrational and nannyish speed limits and to hear the bleatings of those who'd still dredge up some scare-mongering reasons why a UK driver can't be trusted to be as good as a German driver.
Perhaps that then might focus some attention on our flawed "driving" test (no high-speed driving, no motorway driving, no low-grip driving or car control, no night driving etc etc).
Face it, if they weren't raking in huge sums from motorists, they'd have banned it outright ages ago.
Perhaps that then might focus some attention on our flawed "driving" test (no high-speed driving, no motorway driving, no low-grip driving or car control, no night driving etc etc).
Face it, if they weren't raking in huge sums from motorists, they'd have banned it outright ages ago.
I really do not understand how driving on a motorway in the UK at, say 115mph could result in a ban and a fine up to £10k, along with being regarded as being utterly reckless, whereas one could do exactly the same speed in near identical circumstances on an Autobahn on Germany and the Police wouldn't bat an eye lid.
LewisR said:
I really do not understand how driving on a motorway in the UK at, say 115mph could result in a ban and a fine up to £10k, along with being regarded as being utterly reckless, whereas one could do exactly the same speed in near identical circumstances on an Autobahn on Germany and the Police wouldn't bat an eye lid.
While I see what you are saying the reason it is different is that in Germany other drivers are expecting cars doing 115mph and more whereas in the UK they are not. LewisR said:
I really do not understand how driving on a motorway in the UK at, say 115mph could result in a ban and a fine up to £10k, along with being regarded as being utterly reckless, whereas one could do exactly the same speed in near identical circumstances on an Autobahn on Germany and the Police wouldn't bat an eye lid.
While there are some derestricted sections, much of the autobahn in Germany has speed limits of 81 mph (130 kph) or lower, e.g some sections at 62 mph (100 kph). Get caught busting one of those by more than a couple of MPH (3 kph tolerance, not the wide tolerance band we have here) and you can expect a fine. The more your speed exceeds the speed limit, the higher the fine and/or possible licence suspension.You're talking about 115 mph in a 70 in your example. That's more than 70 kph over the limit which in Germany would put you in the maximum penalty band, 3 month ban and a hefty fine.
Also, if you are doing any speed more than 130kph on an unrestricted section of the autobahn and you _do_ get involved in an accident, then the police take a very different view than if you had been travelling at less the 130 kph (which is the 'advisory' maximum even where a legal limit is not in place).
Edited by Lowtimer on Wednesday 11th June 13:25
119 posts so far, I wonder how many of the posters belong to the ABD? Less than 1% I reckon. So, pissed of off most of you will be, but you only have yourselves to blame if you don't belong to the only organisation that tries to keep the war on motorists at bay. £30/yr ain't much. http://www.abd.org.uk/
La Liga said:
woof said:
It's obviously a new directive to hit motorway drivers.
That seems rather unlikely given that:1) It's the whole standard scale that encompasses motoring offences.
2) Most motorway offences of speeding are dealt with via FPN / awareness course so won't go near a court.
A Scotsman said:
1. It's just more proof this country is bust and the govt needs every penny it can steal from us.
Do you have any idea of the different scales you're talking about? It's an absolute irrelevant drop in the ocean. I posed this in SP&L: Why, if it's about raising revenue, don't the SCPs have 10x the amount of cameras they do now? Why don't they scale?
robinessex said:
119 posts so far, I wonder how many of the posters belong to the ABD? Less than 1% I reckon. So, pissed of off most of you will be, but you only have yourselves to blame if you don't belong to the only organisation that tries to keep the war on motorists at bay. £30/yr ain't much. http://www.abd.org.uk/
I'm not pissed off, and don't consider this to be a war on motorists. Does that help?Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff