Did This Guy Really Drive On The Track During A Live Race?
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braddo said:
case law here suggests jail a distinct possibility?
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manu...
Yes but none of those cases are really relevant, they all involve either some form of stalking (nuisance phone calls etc) or the only case that is similarish is the one where the guy planned to turn off flood lights at a football match.http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manu...
In this case, it's fairly unique, and sounds like the police weren't sure what to charge him with.
Is a race track a public place?
Slinky1989 said:
braddo said:
case law here suggests jail a distinct possibility?
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manu...
Yes but none of those cases are really relevant, they all involve either some form of stalking (nuisance phone calls etc) or the only case that is similarish is the one where the guy planned to turn off flood lights at a football match.http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manu...
In this case, it's fairly unique, and sounds like the police weren't sure what to charge him with.
Is a race track a public place?
[i]R v Ong 2001 1 Cr App R (S) 117
Plan to turn off lights at Premiership football match. D intended to financially gain by placing bets. 4 years.[/i]
A lower profile event and no finacial gain, but a strong case could be made this is worse because of the danger it caused. Those directly effected need to make that case to the court/cps.
Martin4x4 said:
Slinky1989 said:
braddo said:
case law here suggests jail a distinct possibility?
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manu...
Yes but none of those cases are really relevant, they all involve either some form of stalking (nuisance phone calls etc) or the only case that is similarish is the one where the guy planned to turn off flood lights at a football match.http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manu...
In this case, it's fairly unique, and sounds like the police weren't sure what to charge him with.
Is a race track a public place?
[i]R v Ong 2001 1 Cr App R (S) 117
Plan to turn off lights at Premiership football match. D intended to financially gain by placing bets. 4 years.[/i]
A lower profile event and no finacial gain, but a strong case could be made this is worse because of the danger it caused. Those directly effected need to make that case to the court/cps.
Martin4x4 said:
This is similar
[i]R v Ong 2001 1 Cr App R (S) 117
Plan to turn off lights at Premiership football match. D intended to financially gain by placing bets. 4 years.[/i]
A lower profile event and no finacial gain, but a strong case could be made this is worse because of the danger it caused. Those directly effected need to make that case to the court/cps.
He's looking at 4 months. Not 4 years.[i]R v Ong 2001 1 Cr App R (S) 117
Plan to turn off lights at Premiership football match. D intended to financially gain by placing bets. 4 years.[/i]
A lower profile event and no finacial gain, but a strong case could be made this is worse because of the danger it caused. Those directly effected need to make that case to the court/cps.
agtlaw said:
Martin4x4 said:
This is similar
[i]R v Ong 2001 1 Cr App R (S) 117
Plan to turn off lights at Premiership football match. D intended to financially gain by placing bets. 4 years.[/i]
A lower profile event and no finacial gain, but a strong case could be made this is worse because of the danger it caused. Those directly effected need to make that case to the court/cps.
He's looking at 4 months. Not 4 years.[i]R v Ong 2001 1 Cr App R (S) 117
Plan to turn off lights at Premiership football match. D intended to financially gain by placing bets. 4 years.[/i]
A lower profile event and no finacial gain, but a strong case could be made this is worse because of the danger it caused. Those directly effected need to make that case to the court/cps.
Steffan said:
Presumably because he has actually been charged with a specific offence? On that basis do we therefore actually know what the nature of the charges, are and whether there have been any actual charges, please? I am assuming he must have been charged with a specific offence as otherwise there can be no certainly of the charges. My take on this has been, from my understanding, that as yet no formal cargoes have been laid.
He's been charged with public nuisance. It's a common law offence, so you won't find it in statute. Maximum penalty is life imprisonment. Would have thought the maximum this guy would be looking at would be 6 months or even a suspended sentence.The same charge was used against the guy who swam out and interrupted the boat race a little while ago.
tenpenceshort said:
Steffan said:
Presumably because he has actually been charged with a specific offence? On that basis do we therefore actually know what the nature of the charges, are and whether there have been any actual charges, please? I am assuming he must have been charged with a specific offence as otherwise there can be no certainly of the charges. My take on this has been, from my understanding, that as yet no formal cargoes have been laid.
He's been charged with public nuisance. It's a common law offence, so you won't find it in statute. Maximum penalty is life imprisonment. Would have thought the maximum this guy would be looking at would be 6 months or even a suspended sentence.The same charge was used against the guy who swam out and interrupted the boat race a little while ago.
bqf said:
He should get a 6 month suspended sentence, so he has a record, and it affects his life, as well as a mahossive fine for mum and dad to pay and some community service.
If I was racing I'd have been tempted to shove the f
ker into the barrier
On reflection you may appreciate that it was just as well you were not there. Had you been, with that attitude, lives might have been lost once again. Fortunately the racers all reacted with appropriate restraint. If I was racing I'd have been tempted to shove the f
ker into the barrierbqf said:
He should get a 6 month suspended sentence, so he has a record, and it affects his life, as well as a mahossive fine for mum and dad to pay and some community service.
If I was racing I'd have been tempted to shove the fker into the barrier
On reflection you may appreciate that it was just as well you were not there. Had you been, with that attitude, lives might have been lost once again. Fortunately the racers all reacted with appropriate restraint. If I was racing I'd have been tempted to shove the f
ker into the barrierhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29566395
BBC News said:
A 22-year-old man who drove his girlfriend's car on to the Brands Hatch circuit during a race could face jail.
Jack Cottle, of Durgates, Wadhurst, East Sussex was arrested after footage of a VW Polo being driven into a Fun Cup race on 14 June was posted on YouTube.
He admitted causing a public nuisance by driving on to a live racing circuit causing it to be stopped and putting competitors in harm's way.
Cottle is to be sentenced in November.
Judge Martin Joy told him: "Motor racing is an inherently dangerous sport and quite plainly it was a matter that put persons at risk for their lives.
"You must understand that the court will be considering a custodial sentence."
The white car, carrying two passengers in addition to Cottle, was seen in the video travelling along the Kent track at high speed as other cars passed by during the last 30 minutes of the four-hour race.
The footage has been viewed more than a million times online.
Prosecutor Keith Yardy told the court: "As a result of his actions, the race was brought to a stop. He was interviewed. He said he was dared to do it and was sorry but would do it again."
However, defence counsel Ailsa Williamson said Cottle was "an immature man" but had the support of his family who attended court with him.
She said: "He was dared by friends. This was a foolish prank that should never have gone this far and he deeply regrets his actions."
Jack Cottle, of Durgates, Wadhurst, East Sussex was arrested after footage of a VW Polo being driven into a Fun Cup race on 14 June was posted on YouTube.
He admitted causing a public nuisance by driving on to a live racing circuit causing it to be stopped and putting competitors in harm's way.
Cottle is to be sentenced in November.
Judge Martin Joy told him: "Motor racing is an inherently dangerous sport and quite plainly it was a matter that put persons at risk for their lives.
"You must understand that the court will be considering a custodial sentence."
The white car, carrying two passengers in addition to Cottle, was seen in the video travelling along the Kent track at high speed as other cars passed by during the last 30 minutes of the four-hour race.
The footage has been viewed more than a million times online.
Prosecutor Keith Yardy told the court: "As a result of his actions, the race was brought to a stop. He was interviewed. He said he was dared to do it and was sorry but would do it again."
However, defence counsel Ailsa Williamson said Cottle was "an immature man" but had the support of his family who attended court with him.
She said: "He was dared by friends. This was a foolish prank that should never have gone this far and he deeply regrets his actions."
thetapeworm said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29566395
I wonder whether the judge will take a dim view of that snippet.BBC News said:
A 22-year-old man who drove his girlfriend's car on to the Brands Hatch circuit during a race could face jail.
Jack Cottle, of Durgates, Wadhurst, East Sussex was arrested after footage of a VW Polo being driven into a Fun Cup race on 14 June was posted on YouTube.
He admitted causing a public nuisance by driving on to a live racing circuit causing it to be stopped and putting competitors in harm's way.
Cottle is to be sentenced in November.
Judge Martin Joy told him: "Motor racing is an inherently dangerous sport and quite plainly it was a matter that put persons at risk for their lives.
"You must understand that the court will be considering a custodial sentence."
The white car, carrying two passengers in addition to Cottle, was seen in the video travelling along the Kent track at high speed as other cars passed by during the last 30 minutes of the four-hour race.
The footage has been viewed more than a million times online.
Prosecutor Keith Yardy told the court: "As a result of his actions, the race was brought to a stop. He was interviewed. He said he was dared to do it and was sorry but would do it again."
However, defence counsel Ailsa Williamson said Cottle was "an immature man" but had the support of his family who attended court with him.
She said: "He was dared by friends. This was a foolish prank that should never have gone this far and he deeply regrets his actions."
Jack Cottle, of Durgates, Wadhurst, East Sussex was arrested after footage of a VW Polo being driven into a Fun Cup race on 14 June was posted on YouTube.
He admitted causing a public nuisance by driving on to a live racing circuit causing it to be stopped and putting competitors in harm's way.
Cottle is to be sentenced in November.
Judge Martin Joy told him: "Motor racing is an inherently dangerous sport and quite plainly it was a matter that put persons at risk for their lives.
"You must understand that the court will be considering a custodial sentence."
The white car, carrying two passengers in addition to Cottle, was seen in the video travelling along the Kent track at high speed as other cars passed by during the last 30 minutes of the four-hour race.
The footage has been viewed more than a million times online.
Prosecutor Keith Yardy told the court: "As a result of his actions, the race was brought to a stop. He was interviewed. He said he was dared to do it and was sorry but would do it again."
However, defence counsel Ailsa Williamson said Cottle was "an immature man" but had the support of his family who attended court with him.
She said: "He was dared by friends. This was a foolish prank that should never have gone this far and he deeply regrets his actions."
thetapeworm said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29566395
Have they got that right? He would do it again?! If so, he can't regret it that much.BBC News said:
Prosecutor Keith Yardy told the court: "As a result of his actions, the race was brought to a stop. He was interviewed. He said he was dared to do it and was sorry but would do it again."
She said: "He was dared by friends. This was a foolish prank that should never have gone this far and he deeply regrets his actions."
She said: "He was dared by friends. This was a foolish prank that should never have gone this far and he deeply regrets his actions."
xRIEx said:
thetapeworm said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29566395
Have they got that right? He would do it again?! If so, he can't regret it that much.BBC News said:
Prosecutor Keith Yardy told the court: "As a result of his actions, the race was brought to a stop. He was interviewed. He said he was dared to do it and was sorry but would do it again."
She said: "He was dared by friends. This was a foolish prank that should never have gone this far and he deeply regrets his actions."
She said: "He was dared by friends. This was a foolish prank that should never have gone this far and he deeply regrets his actions."
[Monty Python voice] Stop that.
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