Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
flemke said:
Were those the cars that were somewhere between the standard car and the Type-R?
The S, S Zero and Type R were only sold in Japan.The Type S (& S Zero) has the same carbon kevlar Recaro seat as the Type R, but with a different cover (leather & alcantara).
The S-Zero filled the gap between the original 3.0l R (which went from 92-96) and the facelift 02+ R - it was available from 97 when the 3.2l engine was introduced, and I think they made around 30, mostly sold in 97. The S-Zero was the only car that couldn't be specified with a radio.
The S was marketed as Sports/Luxury, not quite as raw as the R - it had different springs & shocks to the R - but was lighter than the regular NSX. In Japan, NSX could be ordered in a variety of configurations - with or without passenger airbags, cruise control, electric PAS, radio, navigation system.
The S-Zero & R could also be supplied without air conditioning. The S, S Zero & R were also available with (different) Momo steering wheels, which deleted the driver's airbag.
AFAIK there are only 2 Type S outside of Japan - one in the UK (which I understand you have seen some years ago, Mr Flemke) and mine in here NZ.
There is currently one S Zero for sale in Hong Kong - see the ad on Pistonheads classifieds - it only just scrapes under the 200k GBP barrier!
Edited by dobly on Wednesday 24th May 00:17
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flemke said:
cc8s said:
flemke said:
I could have declined, but I did not have a reason to decline
I love this 
flemke said:
I never said that I would sell all my McLarens. I love my F1 and for that reason, as well as for its investment prospects, I intend not to sell it for long time, if ever.
Were the situation to arise, would you purchase another F1? 
Regarding the topic on hand, from the perspective of Classes and Race Series, are there any other racecars that you would consider to be good future investments? I guess the big ones are apparent - Le Mans, Mille Miglia, etc. The GT1 class seem to be coming back in fashion again too.
But what of relatively modern GT2/GT3/GT4 cars? I guess, with modern cars, beyond the obvious, it is the case of choosing a car that has been driven by the next Stirling Moss/John Surtees/Mark Weber (don't look into my examples too much!). But by definition, that would be hard to know until it would be rather apparent to all!
hkz286 said:
the type-s was a slightly more refined type-r however it came with the 3.2 and 6 speed gearbox in the pre-facelift (pop up headlights) NA2.
the zero was a stripped out version of the type s (50kg less than the type s)
No air conditioning or audio wiring, different suspension (not quite type-r), Carbon-fiber Recaro seats (slightly different to type-r), No cruise control, stereo, power door locks, airbags, air conditioning, traction control, power steering, fog lights or navigation system. Lightweight lead-acid battery and halved the thickness of the partition glass between engine bay and cabin.
So basically a track biased version of the NA2 (3.2/6 speed) until the NSX-R came out with the non-pop-up headlights.
To be honest type-r / nsx-r details are fairly difficult to nail down 100% as even the Japanese service manuals / parts catalogue don't list everything that's different. You could build a more capable regular nsx than the equivalent nsx type r/nsx-r , but you couldn't build a nsx type r/nsx-r from a regular nsx.
I think the NSX type-s zero would be my dream NSX (3.2/6speed but with pop up lights). Considering the price of any NSX with a suffix are orders of magnitude larger than a standard nsx , I have about as much chance at buying a McLaren F1 :P
the zero was a stripped out version of the type s (50kg less than the type s)
No air conditioning or audio wiring, different suspension (not quite type-r), Carbon-fiber Recaro seats (slightly different to type-r), No cruise control, stereo, power door locks, airbags, air conditioning, traction control, power steering, fog lights or navigation system. Lightweight lead-acid battery and halved the thickness of the partition glass between engine bay and cabin.
So basically a track biased version of the NA2 (3.2/6 speed) until the NSX-R came out with the non-pop-up headlights.
To be honest type-r / nsx-r details are fairly difficult to nail down 100% as even the Japanese service manuals / parts catalogue don't list everything that's different. You could build a more capable regular nsx than the equivalent nsx type r/nsx-r , but you couldn't build a nsx type r/nsx-r from a regular nsx.
I think the NSX type-s zero would be my dream NSX (3.2/6speed but with pop up lights). Considering the price of any NSX with a suffix are orders of magnitude larger than a standard nsx , I have about as much chance at buying a McLaren F1 :P
dobly said:
The S, S Zero and Type R were only sold in Japan.
The Type S (& S Zero) has the same carbon kevlar Recaro seat as the Type R, but with a different cover (leather & alcantara).
The S-Zero filled the gap between the original 3.0l R (which went from 92-96) and the facelift 02+ R - it was available from 97 when the 3.2l engine was introduced, and I think they made around 30, mostly sold in 97. The S-Zero was the only car that couldn't be specified with a radio.
The S was marketed as Sports/Luxury, not quite as raw as the R - it had different springs & shocks to the R - but was lighter than the regular NSX. In Japan, NSX could be ordered in a variety of configurations - with or without passenger airbags, cruise control, electric PAS, radio, navigation system.
The S-Zero & R could also be supplied without air conditioning. The S, S Zero & R were also available with (different) Momo steering wheels, which deleted the driver's airbag.
AFAIK there are only 2 Type S outside of Japan - one in the UK (which I understand you have seen some years ago, Mr Flemke) and mine in here NZ.
There is currently one S Zero for sale in Hong Kong - see the ad on Pistonheads classifieds - it only just scrapes under the 200k GBP barrier!
Thanks, guys.The Type S (& S Zero) has the same carbon kevlar Recaro seat as the Type R, but with a different cover (leather & alcantara).
The S-Zero filled the gap between the original 3.0l R (which went from 92-96) and the facelift 02+ R - it was available from 97 when the 3.2l engine was introduced, and I think they made around 30, mostly sold in 97. The S-Zero was the only car that couldn't be specified with a radio.
The S was marketed as Sports/Luxury, not quite as raw as the R - it had different springs & shocks to the R - but was lighter than the regular NSX. In Japan, NSX could be ordered in a variety of configurations - with or without passenger airbags, cruise control, electric PAS, radio, navigation system.
The S-Zero & R could also be supplied without air conditioning. The S, S Zero & R were also available with (different) Momo steering wheels, which deleted the driver's airbag.
AFAIK there are only 2 Type S outside of Japan - one in the UK (which I understand you have seen some years ago, Mr Flemke) and mine in here NZ.
There is currently one S Zero for sale in Hong Kong - see the ad on Pistonheads classifieds - it only just scrapes under the 200k GBP barrier!
Based on your descriptions, I agree that they are candidates for elite status going forward.
cc8s said:
flemke said:
cc8s said:
flemke said:
I could have declined, but I did not have a reason to decline
I love this flemke said:
I never said that I would sell all my McLarens. I love my F1 and for that reason, as well as for its investment prospects, I intend not to sell it for long time, if ever.
Were the situation to arise, would you purchase another F1? Regarding the topic on hand, from the perspective of Classes and Race Series, are there any other racecars that you would consider to be good future investments? I guess the big ones are apparent - Le Mans, Mille Miglia, etc. The GT1 class seem to be coming back in fashion again too.
But what of relatively modern GT2/GT3/GT4 cars? I guess, with modern cars, beyond the obvious, it is the case of choosing a car that has been driven by the next Stirling Moss/John Surtees/Mark Weber (don't look into my examples too much!). But by definition, that would be hard to know until it would be rather apparent to all!
I have no strong opinions about particular modern racing cars and their investment potential. I will say that it is near-impossible for a normal person even to start the engine of any top-shelf racing car built in the last decade.
Defconluke said:
Video about the tour is up on Mr JWW's Youtube channel - LINK
Ye gods - how horrific is that - surely he is the worst of the car vloggers - that is truly unbearable. One of the few videos I couldn't continue watching despite the presence of an F1. And his attempt at hiding the location of the garage wasn't very good - might pop down there later (not).Joe911 said:
Defconluke said:
Video about the tour is up on Mr JWW's Youtube channel - LINK
Ye gods - how horrific is that - surely he is the worst of the car vloggers - that is truly unbearable. One of the few videos I couldn't continue watching despite the presence of an F1. And his attempt at hiding the location of the garage wasn't very good - might pop down there later (not).When people ask me if I am doing the "Tour", instead of giving a verbal explanation I should simply refer them to this video.
Joe911 said:
Defconluke said:
Video about the tour is up on Mr JWW's Youtube channel - LINK
Ye gods - how horrific is that - surely he is the worst of the car vloggers - that is truly unbearable. One of the few videos I couldn't continue watching despite the presence of an F1. And his attempt at hiding the location of the garage wasn't very good - might pop down there later (not).If you gave up early then you missed his comment, 'this is technically the front (of the car).' Made me giggle anyway.
Edited by douglas111 on Saturday 27th May 12:20
I just couldn't get my head around all the gushing comments in the comments section either.
I mean, this is one of the most spectacular if not the most spectacular road car ever produced and he spends more time talking about the tool kit, the comfort level of the passenger seat, and browsing a Ferrari dealership than talking about the car itself.
I mean, this is one of the most spectacular if not the most spectacular road car ever produced and he spends more time talking about the tool kit, the comfort level of the passenger seat, and browsing a Ferrari dealership than talking about the car itself.
Rob_R said:
I just couldn't get my head around all the gushing comments in the comments section either.
I mean, this is one of the most spectacular if not the most spectacular road car ever produced and he spends more time talking about the tool kit, the comfort level of the passenger seat, and browsing a Ferrari dealership than talking about the car itself.
As he appears actually not to know much about cars, it was probably best for him to focus on other subjects. Even amongst the sparse remarks he made about the F1, he made several errors.I mean, this is one of the most spectacular if not the most spectacular road car ever produced and he spends more time talking about the tool kit, the comfort level of the passenger seat, and browsing a Ferrari dealership than talking about the car itself.
Rob_R said:
and browsing a Ferrari dealership than talking about the car itself.
That was bizarre wasn't it? Surely you would spin off that part into another video. He didn't seem a F1 fan as the passion and enthusiasm didn't come across as genuine, more that he knows it will get hits on Youtube.Strange that he didn't seem to get any access beyond sitting in that seat, the owner didn't let him start it up and he didn't even have the ability to open the luggage compartment. Was it the owner driving or some employee with instructions to keep keys on him I wonder.
Anyone know why there aren't more cars with the F1 seating arrangement- is it copyrighted by McLaren?
cc8s said:
Flemke: what are your opinions on the latest 'Ring times (vis a vis the Superleggera time and the LM time)? In particular, do you believe the SL time checks out? I can't believe it shaved 30 seconds of the standard car and beat the 918 on its home turf. I might be missing something.
I don't hugely care, tbh. I have access to a lot of cars, and the ones that I most enjoy driving are not the ones that are capable of the fastest lap times. Any notion that a person needs a road car that is faster than, say, a Carrera GT or 430 Scuderia is ludicrous.Regarding the SL, I believe that the time actually happened, although I believe also that the car had very special tyres that, whilst they might be technically "road legal", are impractical to the point of being dangerous in some driving conditions.
Beyond that, there probably is something in the "aero-vectoring" concept. We have not seen it before because in most racing series movable aero of that sort is illegal.
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