Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)

[Silver Smudger]

McAndy said:

Absolutely.

On a side note, thank you for entering into an interesting debate with aplomb and good manners: a rare occurrence on the internet today!

On another side note: this seems pertinent!

Link missing from your post...

[McAndy]

Silver Smudger said:

Link missing from your post...

Ah, boo. It was to an article claiming that modern, often Chinese, violins produce a measurably more accurate, thus better sound, than many Stradivarius, and musicians and non-musicians alike corroborated this in a double-blind study.

[chris333]

flemke said:

many times we have referred to "chassis #123", when it would have been easier to say, "Jeremy Corbyn's car").

He's gone up in my estimation. I had him down as an Aventador sort of guy.

[Storer]

chris333 said:

flemke said:

many times we have referred to "chassis #123", when it would have been easier to say, "Jeremy Corbyn's car").

He's gone up in my estimation. I had him down as an Aventador sort of guy.

Nooooo. He is a Morris Marina sort of chap. In beige too.

His favourite hat is all the proof you need.

[flemke]

chris333 said:

flemke said:

many times we have referred to "chassis #123", when it would have been easier to say, "Jeremy Corbyn's car").

He's gone up in my estimation. I had him down as an Aventador sort of guy.

AIUI, the Aventador is JC's daily driver.

[Police State]

Hey Flemke, it's movie time...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/bruce-mclaren...

[Monty Python]

Short but interesting article - I like the idea of "loan engine"...

https://latest.mclaren.com/posts/mclaren-f1-still-...

[flemke]

Monty Python said:

Short but interesting article - I like the idea of "loan engine"...

https://latest.mclaren.com/posts/mclaren-f1-still-...

Thank you for the link.

[dobly]

Flemke, would it be safe to assume that you are one of the 106 that will be receiving a BP23 in a couple of years' time? Will you be moving the P1 on to make space (in your life) to do so?

https://latest.mclaren.com/posts/coming-soon-the-h...

[flemke]

dobly said:

Flemke, would it be safe to assume that you are one of the 106 that will be receiving a BP23 in a couple of years' time? Will you be moving the P1 on to make space (in your life) to do so?

https://latest.mclaren.com/posts/coming-soon-the-h...

I have paid the deposits for the BP23.
As I have written here before (I think), I was displeased with how McLaren management handled certain aspects of the P1 situation and for that reason I shall sell that car, irrespective of the BP23.

[Rich_W]

flemke said:

dobly said:

Flemke, would it be safe to assume that you are one of the 106 that will be receiving a BP23 in a couple of years' time? Will you be moving the P1 on to make space (in your life) to do so?

https://latest.mclaren.com/posts/coming-soon-the-h...

I have paid the deposits for the BP23.
As I have written here before (I think), I was displeased with how McLaren management handled certain aspects of the P1 situation and for that reason I shall sell that car, irrespective of the BP23.

Without breaking any confidentiality clause.


Have you seen more of the car than this rendering? A clay model? More pictures? A test mule?

[flemke]

Rich_W said:

flemke said:

dobly said:

Flemke, would it be safe to assume that you are one of the 106 that will be receiving a BP23 in a couple of years' time? Will you be moving the P1 on to make space (in your life) to do so?

https://latest.mclaren.com/posts/coming-soon-the-h...

I have paid the deposits for the BP23.
As I have written here before (I think), I was displeased with how McLaren management handled certain aspects of the P1 situation and for that reason I shall sell that car, irrespective of the BP23.

Without breaking any confidentiality clause.


Have you seen more of the car than this rendering? A clay model? More pictures? A test mule?

No.

[hyphen]

Is the deposit refundable if you don't like the final version?

[flemke]

hyphen said:

Is the deposit refundable if you don't like the final version?

No.

[AlmostUseful]

I can't imagine there is much point wanting a refundable deposit. Either you like the car and keep it, or sell it and get at least, if not way more than, what you paid.

[flemke]

AlmostUseful said:

I can't imagine there is much point wanting a refundable deposit. Either you like the car and keep it, or sell it and get at least, if not way more than, what you paid.

Well, in 2019-20 we're going to have roughly 1,000 "hypercars" coming to the market: Chiron, Aston Bull, BP23 and Merc Project One. That is in excess of $2b of totally unnecessary hardware, all of which will be impractical and some of which will be borderline unusable. Will the market absorb all that and indeed will there be people perpared to pay a premium? I don't think it's sure thing by any means.

[moneymakestheworldgoaround]

flemke said:

Well, in 2019-20 we're going to have roughly 1,000 "hypercars" coming to the market: Chiron, Aston Bull, BP23 and Merc Project One. That is in excess of $2b of totally unnecessary hardware, all of which will be impractical and some of which will be borderline unusable. Will the market absorb all that and indeed will there be people perpared to pay a premium? I don't think it's sure thing by any means.

Flemke, didn't you say before that you would never buy another McLaren and then sell all the ones you owned because of what happened with the LT Spiders and how the company have treated you?
Yet, you bought a HS, and now a BP 23...?

[flemke]

moneymakestheworldgoaround said:

flemke said:

Well, in 2019-20 we're going to have roughly 1,000 "hypercars" coming to the market: Chiron, Aston Bull, BP23 and Merc Project One. That is in excess of $2b of totally unnecessary hardware, all of which will be impractical and some of which will be borderline unusable. Will the market absorb all that and indeed will there be people perpared to pay a premium? I don't think it's sure thing by any means.

Flemke, didn't you say before that you would never buy another McLaren and then sell all the ones you owned because of what happened with the LT Spiders and how the company have treated you?
Yet, you bought a HS, and now a BP 23...?

Not quite. I said that I would sell the P1 and 675LT owing to factory representations (misrepresentations, actually) specific to those two models. I made that clear to the factory.
Subsequently they were kind enough to offer me an HS. I could have declined, but I did not have a reason to decline and in fact I liked the car.
Re the BP23, again they were kind enough to offer me a car, for which I have paid the deposits, delivery in 3 years.
I never said that I would sell all my McLarens. I love my F1 and for that reason, as well as for its investment prospects, I intend not to sell it for long time, if ever.

[SydneyBridge]

Is there anything to see yet in respect of the BP23?
Apart from drawings maybe

[flemke]

SydneyBridge said:

Is there anything to see yet in respect of the BP23?
Apart from drawings maybe

So far only this, which has been published everywhere: