Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
hyphen said:
flemke said:
The centre of the passenger seats will be in a dark purple-blue that I found. We're doing those seats first. After they are finished and in the car, it will be easier for me to experiment with different possible schemes for the driver's seat. The driver's seat will almost certainly include some of the same purple-blue material, and potentially some white as well.
Look forward to some pics when it is finished.Is it the factory doing it, or a 3rd party trimmer?
flemke said:
I try to use the factory for all work when feasible and am doing so in this case. I did not use them in the previous retrim because I was not happy with the accuracy of stitching of the person whom they used to have doing the work. They are now using a different person.
Do McLaren have a limit on what they're willing to do to an F1? Or are they willing to cater to all tastes?dobly said:
^^^ that picture of the tyre marks and F1 under a cover looks like the incident that happened near Queenstown NZ a few months back. Australian owner had a minor bump iirc......
It is.It was the NZ McLaren tour.
The garish white and red car was from another F1 tour (IIRC the 20th anniversary one)
zeDuffMan said:
flemke said:
I try to use the factory for all work when feasible and am doing so in this case. I did not use them in the previous retrim because I was not happy with the accuracy of stitching of the person whom they used to have doing the work. They are now using a different person.
Do McLaren have a limit on what they're willing to do to an F1? Or are they willing to cater to all tastes?They wouldn't install ABS in an F1 because an ABS system is unique to the car for which it was designed, you can't just swap them 'round, and if personal injury were to result from a problem in the braking system, without prior regulatory approval the installer could be liable.
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
zeDuffMan said:
flemke said:
I try to use the factory for all work when feasible and am doing so in this case. I did not use them in the previous retrim because I was not happy with the accuracy of stitching of the person whom they used to have doing the work. They are now using a different person.
Do McLaren have a limit on what they're willing to do to an F1? Or are they willing to cater to all tastes?Brunei famille ?
Good job F1emke didn't buy two of them isn't it or else we'd have more posts than charity shops on Sevenoaks high street. 
Which brings me up with a special plea. We used to have more shoe shops than anything on Sevenoaks high street, a la Douglas Adams, but they all died back in the third coming of his lord JB, Amazon Jesus Besuz. Amen. So they were cast asunder, And the great Lordy thrust a next day delivery stroke very mightily indeed.
With his spear and magic helmet.
Now the charity shops are going the same way, Not because our saviour Bezus Amazon BeJessuz can undercut them, no. Sevenoaks council decided to up their rates so they got screwed and all those old folk who spent their time out of the way harmlessly will now be
LET LOOSE
on the poor unsuspecting populous of Sevenoaks who want to just buy 4 cans of Special Brew without some old dear starting talking about Ludwig kicking ass with his 9th and dithering about with loose change and a 5p off coupon for cat food that expired in 2005. And mistaking the accelerator for the brake. Twice. Whilst doing a 3 point turn in a lake they mistook for a slightly wet car park outside Lidl.
Now I know Logan's run is not that PC nowadays, but it does makes you think.
Proper cars too
So in summary
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 snip
3. And on the eighth day a very long thread about a car appeared.
He works in mysterious ways.
Which brings me up with a special plea. We used to have more shoe shops than anything on Sevenoaks high street, a la Douglas Adams, but they all died back in the third coming of his lord JB, Amazon Jesus Besuz. Amen. So they were cast asunder, And the great Lordy thrust a next day delivery stroke very mightily indeed.
With his spear and magic helmet.
Now the charity shops are going the same way, Not because our saviour Bezus Amazon BeJessuz can undercut them, no. Sevenoaks council decided to up their rates so they got screwed and all those old folk who spent their time out of the way harmlessly will now be
LET LOOSE
on the poor unsuspecting populous of Sevenoaks who want to just buy 4 cans of Special Brew without some old dear starting talking about Ludwig kicking ass with his 9th and dithering about with loose change and a 5p off coupon for cat food that expired in 2005. And mistaking the accelerator for the brake. Twice. Whilst doing a 3 point turn in a lake they mistook for a slightly wet car park outside Lidl.
Now I know Logan's run is not that PC nowadays, but it does makes you think.
Proper cars too
So in summary
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 snip
3. And on the eighth day a very long thread about a car appeared.
He works in mysterious ways.
Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 3rd June 00:50
spadgm said:
I don't have a lot to contribute to this thread, other than to thank Flemke and others who have a provided such insightful info into the world of McLaren F1 ownership.
I have never seen one in real life, but I am a huge fan of these special cars.
Thanks for saying hello. There are not many PHers who are located in Bruce McLaren's homeland. I have never seen one in real life, but I am a huge fan of these special cars.
mans f1 vid, when he's in the Belgian Ferrari dealer, the red building you can see behind & across the road is a brothel! Gandahar said:
Good job F1emke didn't buy two of them isn't it or else we'd have more posts than charity shops on Sevenoaks high street.
Which brings me up with a special plea. We used to have more shoe shops than anything on Sevenoaks high street, a la Douglas Adams, but they all died back in the third coming of his lord JB, Amazon Jesus Besuz. Amen. So they were cast asunder, And the great Lordy thrust a next day delivery stroke very mightily indeed.
With his spear and magic helmet.
Now the charity shops are going the same way, Not because our saviour Bezus Amazon BeJessuz can undercut them, no. Sevenoaks council decided to up their rates so they got screwed and all those old folk who spent their time out of the way harmlessly will now be
LET LOOSE
on the poor unsuspecting populous of Sevenoaks who want to just buy 4 cans of Special Brew without some old dear starting talking about Ludwig kicking ass with his 9th and dithering about with loose change and a 5p off coupon for cat food that expired in 2005. And mistaking the accelerator for the brake. Twice. Whilst doing a 3 point turn in a lake they mistook for a slightly wet car park outside Lidl.
Now I know Logan's run is not that PC nowadays, but it does makes you think.
Proper cars too
So in summary
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 snip
3. And on the eighth day a very long thread about a car appeared.
He works in mysterious ways.
Had a good night have we?! Which brings me up with a special plea. We used to have more shoe shops than anything on Sevenoaks high street, a la Douglas Adams, but they all died back in the third coming of his lord JB, Amazon Jesus Besuz. Amen. So they were cast asunder, And the great Lordy thrust a next day delivery stroke very mightily indeed.
With his spear and magic helmet.
Now the charity shops are going the same way, Not because our saviour Bezus Amazon BeJessuz can undercut them, no. Sevenoaks council decided to up their rates so they got screwed and all those old folk who spent their time out of the way harmlessly will now be
LET LOOSE
on the poor unsuspecting populous of Sevenoaks who want to just buy 4 cans of Special Brew without some old dear starting talking about Ludwig kicking ass with his 9th and dithering about with loose change and a 5p off coupon for cat food that expired in 2005. And mistaking the accelerator for the brake. Twice. Whilst doing a 3 point turn in a lake they mistook for a slightly wet car park outside Lidl.
Now I know Logan's run is not that PC nowadays, but it does makes you think.
Proper cars too
So in summary
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 snip
3. And on the eighth day a very long thread about a car appeared.
He works in mysterious ways.
Edited by Gandahar on Saturday 3rd June 00:50
So Flemke- Are you tempted to go to this? https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
hyphen said:
So Flemke- Are you tempted to go to this? https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Not really my thing, and I have a previous commitment for the day anyhow. I'm sure that those who attend will enjoy themselves. 
Flemke
This may have been covered in the past, but too much wine see's it missing from my memory.
Do you see an electric car joining your garage any time soon, and if so which one?
This question is prompted by the accidental discovery of a Tesla showroom in the Grand Arcade Cambridge shopping centre today. Interesting chat with a salesman as I am about to build a solar setup for my home/workshop/business and vehicles for the future.
This may have been covered in the past, but too much wine see's it missing from my memory.
Do you see an electric car joining your garage any time soon, and if so which one?
This question is prompted by the accidental discovery of a Tesla showroom in the Grand Arcade Cambridge shopping centre today. Interesting chat with a salesman as I am about to build a solar setup for my home/workshop/business and vehicles for the future.
Storer said:
Flemke
This may have been covered in the past, but too much wine see's it missing from my memory.
Do you see an electric car joining your garage any time soon, and if so which one?
This question is prompted by the accidental discovery of a Tesla showroom in the Grand Arcade Cambridge shopping centre today. Interesting chat with a salesman as I am about to build a solar setup for my home/workshop/business and vehicles for the future.
No.This may have been covered in the past, but too much wine see's it missing from my memory.
Do you see an electric car joining your garage any time soon, and if so which one?
This question is prompted by the accidental discovery of a Tesla showroom in the Grand Arcade Cambridge shopping centre today. Interesting chat with a salesman as I am about to build a solar setup for my home/workshop/business and vehicles for the future.
My reasons are to some extent irrational, but they're my reasons and I'm sticking to them.
For me a big part of the appeal of cars is the internal combustion engine. I like the sounds, the smells, the vibrations and torqued movement. I like looking at the parts, the colour differentiations between titanium, aluminium, magnesium and steel, the textural differentiations between cast, forged, polished and CNC'd. I like the sticky-smooth feeling of motor oil on my fingers.
I want contrast between the artificial world and the natural world - that is important to me. That is part of the beauty of a fighter jet, a lacquer paint job, and an internal combustion engine,
I'm not saying that you get none of that in an EV, but you get far less of it than you do in a good old ICE.
The next thing I dislike, intensely, about EVs is the political correctness surrounding them.
Related to that is the theology of manmade climate change. I don't know whether the climate is changing, and, if it is, I certainly do not know how much if any of that change is anthropogenic. At this point, I see too many persuasive arguments to the contrary to be convinced that it is a certainty. Putting that to one side, I resent all the Leftist morons on the climate change steamroller, shouting down and driving over anyone who dares to question the quality of their evidence. Electric vehicles are a fetish of the politically correct, and for that reason too I am contemptuous of them.
Similarly, Elon Musk has been deified, and I don't know of any businessman who deserves to be deified. As far as I am concerned, any non-driver who bought a McLaren F1 and then sold it is a plonker. I would like to see Tesla go under. As I understand it, if it weren't for massive government subsidies it would have gone under ages ago.
I dislike EVs' silence. When I am walking across an urban street, I don't want to be caught out, as I have nearly been more than once, by some noiseless lump about to zip across my path.
Finally, there is the practical part. I have often driven 500 miles in a day, and more than once driven in excess of 900 miles in a day. For 900 miles, I'd have to refuel with petrol 2 or 3 times, total refueling time maybe 30 minutes. In even the longest-range EVs, when driven briskly on Continental motorways how many times over 900 miles would one have to stop to recharge, and how much time would those rechargings cumulatively take? We're talking many, many hours, aren't we? Many many hours of sitting there at a service area twiddling one's thumbs, staring at the sky, asking oneself if there is no better way. Which of course there is.
Electric power is fine for trains, milk floats and dodge-'ems, but for a motorcar? No thank you.
flemke said:
No.
My reasons are to some extent irrational, but they're my reasons and I'm sticking to them.
For me a big part of the appeal of cars is the internal combustion engine. I like the sounds, the smells, the vibrations and torqued movement. I like looking at the parts, the colour differentiations between titanium, aluminium, magnesium and steel, the textural differentiations between cast, forged, polished and CNC'd. I like the sticky-smooth feeling of motor oil on my fingers.
I want contrast between the artificial world and the natural world - that is important to me. That is part of the beauty of a fighter jet, a lacquer paint job, and an internal combustion engine,
I'm not saying that you get none of that in an EV, but you get far less of it than you do in a good old ICE.
The next thing I dislike, intensely, about EVs is the political correctness surrounding them.
Related to that is the theology of manmade climate change. I don't know whether the climate is changing, and, if it is, I certainly do not know how much if any of that change is anthropogenic. At this point, I see too many persuasive arguments to the contrary to be convinced that it is a certainty. Putting that to one side, I resent all the Leftist morons on the climate change steamroller, shouting down and driving over anyone who dares to question the quality of their evidence. Electric vehicles are a fetish of the politically correct, and for that reason too I am contemptuous of them.
Similarly, Elon Musk has been deified, and I don't know of any businessman who deserves to be deified. As far as I am concerned, any non-driver who bought a McLaren F1 and then sold it is a plonker. I would like to see Tesla go under. As I understand it, if it weren't for massive government subsidies it would have gone under ages ago.
I dislike EVs' silence. When I am walking across an urban street, I don't want to be caught out, as I have nearly been more than once, by some noiseless lump about to zip across my path.
Finally, there is the practical part. I have often driven 500 miles in a day, and more than once driven in excess of 900 miles in a day. For 900 miles, I'd have to refuel with petrol 2 or 3 times, total refueling time maybe 30 minutes. In even the longest-range EVs, when driven briskly on Continental motorways how many times over 900 miles would one have to stop to recharge, and how much time would those rechargings cumulatively take? We're talking many, many hours, aren't we? Many many hours of sitting there at a service area twiddling one's thumbs, staring at the sky, asking oneself if there is no better way. Which of course there is.
Electric power is fine for trains, milk floats and dodge-'ems, but for a motorcar? No thank you.
I have to say your thinking mirrors mine very closely, especially regarding 'global warming'.My reasons are to some extent irrational, but they're my reasons and I'm sticking to them.
For me a big part of the appeal of cars is the internal combustion engine. I like the sounds, the smells, the vibrations and torqued movement. I like looking at the parts, the colour differentiations between titanium, aluminium, magnesium and steel, the textural differentiations between cast, forged, polished and CNC'd. I like the sticky-smooth feeling of motor oil on my fingers.
I want contrast between the artificial world and the natural world - that is important to me. That is part of the beauty of a fighter jet, a lacquer paint job, and an internal combustion engine,
I'm not saying that you get none of that in an EV, but you get far less of it than you do in a good old ICE.
The next thing I dislike, intensely, about EVs is the political correctness surrounding them.
Related to that is the theology of manmade climate change. I don't know whether the climate is changing, and, if it is, I certainly do not know how much if any of that change is anthropogenic. At this point, I see too many persuasive arguments to the contrary to be convinced that it is a certainty. Putting that to one side, I resent all the Leftist morons on the climate change steamroller, shouting down and driving over anyone who dares to question the quality of their evidence. Electric vehicles are a fetish of the politically correct, and for that reason too I am contemptuous of them.
Similarly, Elon Musk has been deified, and I don't know of any businessman who deserves to be deified. As far as I am concerned, any non-driver who bought a McLaren F1 and then sold it is a plonker. I would like to see Tesla go under. As I understand it, if it weren't for massive government subsidies it would have gone under ages ago.
I dislike EVs' silence. When I am walking across an urban street, I don't want to be caught out, as I have nearly been more than once, by some noiseless lump about to zip across my path.
Finally, there is the practical part. I have often driven 500 miles in a day, and more than once driven in excess of 900 miles in a day. For 900 miles, I'd have to refuel with petrol 2 or 3 times, total refueling time maybe 30 minutes. In even the longest-range EVs, when driven briskly on Continental motorways how many times over 900 miles would one have to stop to recharge, and how much time would those rechargings cumulatively take? We're talking many, many hours, aren't we? Many many hours of sitting there at a service area twiddling one's thumbs, staring at the sky, asking oneself if there is no better way. Which of course there is.
Electric power is fine for trains, milk floats and dodge-'ems, but for a motorcar? No thank you.
Also regarding the long journey issues with EVs.
However, I like to think I try to keep my head out of the sand and see the way things are going. Biofuels are a short term stop gap. The world will need food from croppable land as populations grow.
300 mile EV range is now possible, even driving at more than 55 mph. The fastest Tesla can do 0-60 in 2.4 secs which is faster than my Ultima and an F1!
Tesla probably leads the market at present, but other will catch up. Many manufacturers are resorting to electronic controls or operation of traditionally mechanical/hydraulic parts of their vehicles. In many cases the engine is the only 'traditional' part of the car.
I am not a lover of political correctness or of super wealthy individuals having too much influence on the direction of technology/mankind. But I think EV will take over from the ICE quite quickly, especially if sodium battery technology proves to work as it is expected to do. It is primarily the batteries that dictate the high cost of EV at present, so cheap, longer lasting, cooler running, more powerful sodium batteries will revolutionise EVs, especially their cost.
I love the sound of multi cylinder ICE cars, the smell of hydrocarbons and the engineering that goes into making them. I am (slowly) working on a 26ft, 6x4wd, 27litre petrol, 2 seat special purely for the spectacle and challenge of building it. You could say I am a bit of a petrol head!
However, I love the idea of cutting out the fuel companies and creating my own power. The economics look rather good when you include your car fuel bills. On top of that there is the lack of disruption from power cuts (I will have battery and generator facilities to back up the solar generation) and will supply some to the grid to counteract any purchased when away from home.
I see EV as our everyday transport and ICE as our fun over the next 50 years (or as long as you can get petrol)!
I am sure manufacturers will create fast fun EV cars. The demand will be there. Charging will get faster, vehicles lighter, motors and batteries more efficient.
You could say we have been lucky to live during a large part of the ICE's life. To enjoy some fabulous cars, their sounds, smells and oily engineering.
In 100 years time they will be museum pieces like horse drawn carriages are today. Only then you will probably not be able to buy the fuel to run them (unlike horses!).
From my point of view I will not live long enough to see petrol disappear and plan to be buried in my Ultima (so my children don't get it!). But like it or not EV are coming, fast.
Paul
PS. What about an i8
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