Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)

[Sway]

Seems he wants to build some limited run "cars I want to make" to show off iStream for licensing.

So far, he's mentioned the t43 (Elise-ish sized, 1.5l Ford 3pot, under a tonne) and now the t50 (3 seat "F1 successor" essentially as per his comments a scaled up t43 with a V12).

I remember getting excited about the t43, especially when it was mooted at around £40k. Sure I heard more recently it was more likely to be a six figure car - although now can't find that so may be going senile...

[Will94]

Sway said:

Seems he wants to build some limited run "cars I want to make" to show off iStream for licensing.

So far, he's mentioned the t43 (Elise-ish sized, 1.5l Ford 3pot, under a tonne) and now the t50 (3 seat "F1 successor" essentially as per his comments a scaled up t43 with a V12).

I remember getting excited about the t43, especially when it was mooted at around £40k. Sure I heard more recently it was more likely to be a six figure car - although now can't find that so may be going senile...

There was quite a bit of confusion about the T.43. The initial announcements implied it was going to be relatively inexpensive (~£40K?) then it was said it was going to be 'jewel like' which suggested a much higher price.

The latest news (to my knowledge) on this car is from March this year and Murray has said that it going to be under 40K! Specs are similar to the ones you describe.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/a26698796/g...

[flemke]

marine boy said:

flemke said:

You are saying that all the bodywork except one door was damaged but the factory would not countenance rebuilding the body?

No, not just bodywork, lots of chassis damage too.

Armco post had smashed through the door sill section and floor right up to the centre tunnel on one side (any passenger would have lost their legs)

Central air box was cracked as if the car at the rear had been folded along the centreline of the chassis and front corner of the roof was crushed down

A big shunt as shunts go!

Bodywork damage ie rear quarters and local chassis damage is an easy fix, we repaired a 97 Gulf car for GTC two weeks before the 97 Le Mans. Needed about 4 man weeks of work over 3 days, I spent the whole time in the composite workshops project managing it all. Everyone was happy as no one thought we could do it in time, even handed it to the team a day early. Long days but all good fun back then!

Given the chance now I'm sure I could find a way to repair the Brunei car but back then it was too big a job, needed a new chassis to fix properly, repairing it using the chassis jigs would have disrupted the production schedule too much

Ooh. A bit of an incident, then.
Politics (small "p" kind) aside, today if the owner of such a car wanted it rebuilt from not much more than the chassis plate, the factory would oblige.

[flemke]

Mac. said:

Hi Flemke, I met you at my first trip to the Nordschleife in September 2005 where you kindly gave me a hot lap in your GT3, and Joe in his 964RS. It's a memory that will live with me forever

We chatted a little about the F1 and you hinted that I might want to pop down to Manthey Racing that afternoon. I duly went down and the car was parked outside in the sunshine. I have a handful of pictures of the car when it was in the lighter blue colour, with the temporary gold BBS wheels. If I blank the plates would you have any objection to me posting them in this thread?

Cheers
Iain

That would be fine, Iain. Thank you for asking. I always hated the look of the car on those wheels, but some (a few, I should think) liked them.

[flemke]

Sway said:

Seems he wants to build some limited run "cars I want to make" to show off iStream for licensing.

So far, he's mentioned the t43 (Elise-ish sized, 1.5l Ford 3pot, under a tonne) and now the t50 (3 seat "F1 successor" essentially as per his comments a scaled up t43 with a V12).

I remember getting excited about the t43, especially when it was mooted at around £40k. Sure I heard more recently it was more likely to be a six figure car - although now can't find that so may be going senile...

Perhaps I misunderstand your post, but the T.50 previewed in the above link and in Autocar yesterday ( https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/gordon...) will not be iStream. It will have a "normal" carbon-fibre chassis.

[Sway]

flemke said:

Sway said:

Seems he wants to build some limited run "cars I want to make" to show off iStream for licensing.

So far, he's mentioned the t43 (Elise-ish sized, 1.5l Ford 3pot, under a tonne) and now the t50 (3 seat "F1 successor" essentially as per his comments a scaled up t43 with a V12).

I remember getting excited about the t43, especially when it was mooted at around £40k. Sure I heard more recently it was more likely to be a six figure car - although now can't find that so may be going senile...

Perhaps I misunderstand your post, but the T.50 previewed in the above link and in Autocar yesterday ( https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/gordon...) will not be iStream. It will have a "normal" carbon-fibre chassis.

Thanks for the correction - I was basing my supposition on the interviews at the time of t43 press releases.

[flemke]

Sway said:

flemke said:

Sway said:

Seems he wants to build some limited run "cars I want to make" to show off iStream for licensing.

So far, he's mentioned the t43 (Elise-ish sized, 1.5l Ford 3pot, under a tonne) and now the t50 (3 seat "F1 successor" essentially as per his comments a scaled up t43 with a V12).

I remember getting excited about the t43, especially when it was mooted at around £40k. Sure I heard more recently it was more likely to be a six figure car - although now can't find that so may be going senile...

Perhaps I misunderstand your post, but the T.50 previewed in the above link and in Autocar yesterday ( https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/gordon...) will not be iStream. It will have a "normal" carbon-fibre chassis.

Thanks for the correction - I was basing my supposition on the interviews at the time of t43 press releases.

The news release yesterday was about a very different, quite special thing.

[E65Ross]

flemke said:

Sway said:

flemke said:

Sway said:

Seems he wants to build some limited run "cars I want to make" to show off iStream for licensing.

So far, he's mentioned the t43 (Elise-ish sized, 1.5l Ford 3pot, under a tonne) and now the t50 (3 seat "F1 successor" essentially as per his comments a scaled up t43 with a V12).

I remember getting excited about the t43, especially when it was mooted at around £40k. Sure I heard more recently it was more likely to be a six figure car - although now can't find that so may be going senile...

Perhaps I misunderstand your post, but the T.50 previewed in the above link and in Autocar yesterday ( https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/gordon...) will not be iStream. It will have a "normal" carbon-fibre chassis.

Thanks for the correction - I was basing my supposition on the interviews at the time of t43 press releases.

The news release yesterday was about a very different, quite special thing.

Do you think it will come to fruition, and if so, do you anticipate buying one?

[Sway]

flemke said:

The news release yesterday was about a very different, quite special thing.

Yes, but he'd spoken of it at the time of the t43 announcement, and the reporting then gave me the impression t50 was an extension of t43 - sports car to supercar. My mistake.

They are both very, very interesting.

[anonymous-user]

flemke said:

That would be fine, Iain. Thank you for asking. I always hated the look of the car on those wheels, but some (a few, I should think) liked them.

Thanks, here are the pics from that sunny day in September 2005.









So, have we established yet, Flemke - Is this your McLaren?

[E65Ross]

As with Flemke, not a fan of those wheels at all.

[Monty Python]

E65Ross said:

As with Flemke, not a fan of those wheels at all.

I've seen lot worse.

[Jacobyte]

Mac. said:

With the late Hammerwerfer in shot. Pretty sure I was there that weekend too (was there most weekends in the mid-00s!)

[CanAm]

Mac. said:

flemke said:

That would be fine, Iain. Thank you for asking. I always hated the look of the car on those wheels, but some (a few, I should think) liked them.

Thanks, here are the pics from that sunny day in September 2005.



So, have we established yet, Flemke - Is this your McLaren?

The Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Team badge is the giveaway. I've never seen one on another (current) McLaren.

[PGNSagaris]

Except on the one posted one or two pages ago

[CanAm]

PGNSagaris said:

Except on the one posted one or two pages ago

Other than Flemke's is what I meant to say.

[flemke]

E65Ross said:

flemke said:

Sway said:

flemke said:

Sway said:

Seems he wants to build some limited run "cars I want to make" to show off iStream for licensing.

So far, he's mentioned the t43 (Elise-ish sized, 1.5l Ford 3pot, under a tonne) and now the t50 (3 seat "F1 successor" essentially as per his comments a scaled up t43 with a V12).

I remember getting excited about the t43, especially when it was mooted at around £40k. Sure I heard more recently it was more likely to be a six figure car - although now can't find that so may be going senile...

Perhaps I misunderstand your post, but the T.50 previewed in the above link and in Autocar yesterday ( https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/gordon...) will not be iStream. It will have a "normal" carbon-fibre chassis.

Thanks for the correction - I was basing my supposition on the interviews at the time of t43 press releases.

The news release yesterday was about a very different, quite special thing.

Do you think it will come to fruition, and if so, do you anticipate buying one?

If Gordon is able to bring this off as he intends, it should be a fabulous car, as unique for today as the F1 was for its era. There are however a number of hurdles to overcome, and assessing those is not simple. I have been trying to make that assessment for myself.

[flemke]

Mac. said:

Thanks, here are the pics from that sunny day in September 2005.









So, have we established yet, Flemke - Is this your McLaren?

Thank you, Iain. I had only a few images of the car on those wheels - brings back memories!

[Swampy1982]

flemke said:

If Gordon is able to bring this off as he intends, it should be a fabulous car, as unique for today as the F1 was for its era. There are however a number of hurdles to overcome, and assessing those is not simple. I have been trying to make that assessment for myself.

Would you be able to share what you believe those hurdles are, and venture into an opinion based on your assessment about if you believe it likely they will be overcome?

[S1KRR]

flemke said:

That would be fine, Iain. Thank you for asking. I always hated the look of the car on those wheels, but some (a few, I should think) liked them.

Its not the gold persay. It's more that its quite a "busy" wheel imo. The F1 requires a more simple design wheel to complement the relatively simple design of the body