Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
stevesingo said:
flemke said:
h0b0 has got some of it.
1) Cerbera. No, I wouldn't have another - too many problems with...everything.
2) 550
3) I presume you mean '50 (or more) miles in one go': CLS AMG four days ago.
4) I presume you mean 'farthest cycled in one go/day': 113 miles.
Fred Whitton?1) Cerbera. No, I wouldn't have another - too many problems with...everything.
2) 550
3) I presume you mean '50 (or more) miles in one go': CLS AMG four days ago.
4) I presume you mean 'farthest cycled in one go/day': 113 miles.
flemke said:
stevesingo said:
flemke said:
h0b0 has got some of it.
1) Cerbera. No, I wouldn't have another - too many problems with...everything.
2) 550
3) I presume you mean '50 (or more) miles in one go': CLS AMG four days ago.
4) I presume you mean 'farthest cycled in one go/day': 113 miles.
Fred Whitton?1) Cerbera. No, I wouldn't have another - too many problems with...everything.
2) 550
3) I presume you mean '50 (or more) miles in one go': CLS AMG four days ago.
4) I presume you mean 'farthest cycled in one go/day': 113 miles.
Sway said:
Round 'ere, the farmers are absolutely brilliant at dealing with mud. Several full time road sweepers at the appropriate times.
A bigger risk is actually diesel - for some reason agricultural vehicles seem to lose their fuel caps quite frequently, and so sploshes get splashed at seemingly random spots.
Spilled grain can also be quite tricky on two wheels!!!A bigger risk is actually diesel - for some reason agricultural vehicles seem to lose their fuel caps quite frequently, and so sploshes get splashed at seemingly random spots.
flemke said:
1) Cerbera. No, I wouldn't have another - too many problems with...everything.
2) 550
1) I wonder if theres a company out there, taking Cerberas/TVRs and "restomodding" them to make them reliable and handle as they probably should have from new2) 550
2) 550? Who are you?!?!?
And what have you done with the real Ferrari sceptic Flemke!
Gameface said:
I find these sort of questions very weird.
They're supposed to be! ArgonautX said:
48V starter Generator is interesting choice. My understanding is they are only used on mild hybrids. Of which the T50 isn't.It'll be interesting to see the comparisons between the T50 and the F1, for they inevitably will be made.
Similar power, surprisingly the F1 is heavier, but also probably more aerodynamic. Obviously we know which one will corner faster, but in terms of driver enjoyment it'll be interesting.
It'll also be interesting to see (or rather hear) the engine. I love the noise of the high revving Ferrari V12s but they don't rev anywhere near as high as this, yet I prefer the deeper noise the 6.1L BMW V12 in the F1.
Having said that, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be disappointed with the 6.5L Ferrari V12 in the 812SF!
I think it's probably been answered but do we know if Flemke is getting one?
Similar power, surprisingly the F1 is heavier, but also probably more aerodynamic. Obviously we know which one will corner faster, but in terms of driver enjoyment it'll be interesting.
It'll also be interesting to see (or rather hear) the engine. I love the noise of the high revving Ferrari V12s but they don't rev anywhere near as high as this, yet I prefer the deeper noise the 6.1L BMW V12 in the F1.
Having said that, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be disappointed with the 6.5L Ferrari V12 in the 812SF!
I think it's probably been answered but do we know if Flemke is getting one?
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
It'll be interesting to see the comparisons between the T50 and the F1, for they inevitably will be made.
Similar power, surprisingly the F1 is heavier, but also probably more aerodynamic. Obviously we know which one will corner faster, but in terms of driver enjoyment it'll be interesting.
It'll also be interesting to see (or rather hear) the engine. I love the noise of the high revving Ferrari V12s but they don't rev anywhere near as high as this, yet I prefer the deeper noise the 6.1L BMW V12 in the F1.
Having said that, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be disappointed with the 6.5L Ferrari V12 in the 812SF!
I think it's probably been answered but do we know if Flemke is getting one?
Let's wait and see just gow much T.50 weighs when it's on the road.Similar power, surprisingly the F1 is heavier, but also probably more aerodynamic. Obviously we know which one will corner faster, but in terms of driver enjoyment it'll be interesting.
It'll also be interesting to see (or rather hear) the engine. I love the noise of the high revving Ferrari V12s but they don't rev anywhere near as high as this, yet I prefer the deeper noise the 6.1L BMW V12 in the F1.
Having said that, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be disappointed with the 6.5L Ferrari V12 in the 812SF!
I think it's probably been answered but do we know if Flemke is getting one?
I don't really like this engine concept, will be interesting to see just how good it is for the road car. It's not going to be as tractable as a 6.1 S70/2, that's for sure.
The noise of the V12s depends on the firing order - Aston uses odd firing, those high pitched V12s are even firing IIRC. BMW V12s are/were odd firing.
S1KRR said:
flemke said:
1) Cerbera. No, I wouldn't have another - too many problems with...everything.
2) 550
1) I wonder if theres a company out there, taking Cerberas/TVRs and "restomodding" them to make them reliable and handle as they probably should have from new2) 550
2) 550? Who are you?!?!?
And what have you done with the real Ferrari sceptic Flemke!
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
It'll be interesting to see the comparisons between the T50 and the F1, for they inevitably will be made.
Similar power, surprisingly the F1 is heavier, but also probably more aerodynamic. Obviously we know which one will corner faster, but in terms of driver enjoyment it'll be interesting.
It'll also be interesting to see (or rather hear) the engine. I love the noise of the high revving Ferrari V12s but they don't rev anywhere near as high as this, yet I prefer the deeper noise the 6.1L BMW V12 in the F1.
Having said that, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be disappointed with the 6.5L Ferrari V12 in the 812SF!
I think it's probably been answered but do we know if Flemke is getting one?
The primary technological advances in the T.50 over the F1 are in weight savings, in the sense of doing the same things with less weight.Similar power, surprisingly the F1 is heavier, but also probably more aerodynamic. Obviously we know which one will corner faster, but in terms of driver enjoyment it'll be interesting.
It'll also be interesting to see (or rather hear) the engine. I love the noise of the high revving Ferrari V12s but they don't rev anywhere near as high as this, yet I prefer the deeper noise the 6.1L BMW V12 in the F1.
Having said that, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be disappointed with the 6.5L Ferrari V12 in the 812SF!
I think it's probably been answered but do we know if Flemke is getting one?
S1KRR said:
ArgonautX said:
48V starter Generator is interesting choice. My understanding is they are only used on mild hybrids. Of which the T50 isn't.flemke said:
S1KRR said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
I think it's probably been answered but do we know if Flemke is getting one?
He is not. He was offered a build slot, but declined afaik.
Mezzanine said:
S1KRR said:
ArgonautX said:
48V starter Generator is interesting choice. My understanding is they are only used on mild hybrids. Of which the T50 isn't.WCZ said:
will the t50 be a practical car? if not then given the money i'd find it impossible to pick one over a valk which surely will be the true cutting edge
I'm not sure practical v impractical would be the spectrum; I think more apposite would be road v track. The Valkyrie sacrifices everything for speed on a track. That's okay, but it has absolutely zero relevance to road driving, and making the car road legal is just the tissue-thin justification for Aston Martin's involvement with it. The Valkyrie is the ultimate track car, compromised just enough to make it road legal.
Like the F1 was, the T.50 is intended to be the ultimate road car. It is good looking as opposed to the Valyrie's being ugly, it's got a manual 'box for driver involvement, you can enter and leave the car fairly easily as opposed to with great difficulty, it's got pretty decent carrying capacity as opposed to the small amount in all other modern 'hypercars' and none in the Valkyrie, it's got relatively narrow tyres and a soft suspension.
I'm not saying that one is 'better' than the other, because that would be like saying that a wrench is better than a screwdriver, although I myself would rather use a wrench.
Saying that, the fact is that the vast majority of Valkyrie buyers will not be able to get anywhere remotely near the limits of what the Valkyrie is designed to do, whereas most T.50 owners will be able to access more of what the T.50 is designed to do.
The T.50 is a car intended for grown-ups. The Valkyrie....
Esceptico said:
flemke said:
S1KRR said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
I think it's probably been answered but do we know if Flemke is getting one?
He is not. He was offered a build slot, but declined afaik.
In about 2000, there was a PHer calling himself 'Jon Dokic'. He came on here and said that he had an F1 and often he would talk about what the car was like, things he had done with it, dealing with the factory, et al. At that time there was not much else in the public domain about life with the cars; this was before we had accounts from people such as Jay Leno, Rowan Atkinson, Nick Mason, and Ralph Lauren, and pretty much the only magazine road tests or drives were one in Autocar and another in Road & Track.
After I had had my car for a while, I started to notice that what 'Jon Dokic' wrote about his experiences with the factory were quite different from my own experiences, although they conformed to media myths about the car and factory. I thought that slightly odd, but presumed that my experiences had simply been different from what was typical.
Then in I guess it was late 2003 some intrepid PH sleuths expressed their suspicion that 'Jon Dokic' was not only an invented user name but an invented life, and that the person behind the name could not possibly be the owner of an F1. In the ensuing months, the net began to tighten
This was followed by a sad posting from someone claiming to be Mrs Jon Dokic (IIRC) saying that Jon had recently passed away, but she wanted the PH community to know how much Pistonheads had meant to Jon and she wanted to thank everyone on it for giving Jon so much pleasure before his life was tragically cut short.
Now it was obvious that the cynics had been entirely right. Although I had been reading the forum for several years (because of that Cerbera), I was not a member/poster. After the Dokic sham, I felt offended on behalf of McLaren F1s, in the sense that a load of complete misinformation had been foisted upon the public. I contacted Dave (founder and then-boss and -owner of PH) and told him that, if he thought members would be interested, I would be happy to answer questions about what it was like to live with an F1, thus setting the record straight after 'Jon Dokic' had distorted it.
That being the history of these Flemke/McLaren F1 threads, I do not expect another imposter to come on here and pretend that he has a T.50 and then tell us all about it!
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