Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
Silver Smudger said:
ArgonautX said:
...There was an internal Lambo project that started before Audi bought the company and was meant to replace Diablo,.... it was cancelled ...
Is that the one that became the Cizeta Moroder, or was that earlier?Silver Smudger said:
ArgonautX said:
...There was an internal Lambo project that started before Audi bought the company and was meant to replace Diablo,.... it was cancelled ...
Is that the one that became the Cizeta Moroder, or was that earlier?
flemke said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
I think the original Murci is one of the greatest looking Lambos ever made, if not THE, save perhaps the Miura.
Agreed. The Miura is probably the better looking of the two. On the other hand, when the Murci was driven at 150 mph, at least its front tyres did not lift off the ground.Caddyshack said:
flemke said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
I think the original Murci is one of the greatest looking Lambos ever made, if not THE, save perhaps the Miura.
Agreed. The Miura is probably the better looking of the two. On the other hand, when the Murci was driven at 150 mph, at least its front tyres did not lift off the ground.
hurstg01 said:
My Mclaren F1 GTR book from Porter Press arrived today, 139/1000. I didn't opt for the £1500 more limited edition /50....
At £450 it certainly isn't cheap, but you get 2 volumes and apparently has some good insights from those close to the programme and owners and racers in it.
You say At £450 it certainly isn't cheap, but you get 2 volumes and apparently has some good insights from those close to the programme and owners and racers in it.
"and apparently has some good insights from those close to the programme and owners and racers in it."
The Question is - are you intending to open it and read ? or is this an investment and must remain 'wrapped' ?
I will open it, I just haven’t had the time to do so and time to fully immerse myself in it.
Maybe the weekend.
I have had some chats with people who have both contributed to it and backed the project, hence my prior knowledge but didn’t feel right saying I had read it myself, as I haven’t
If it were to be an investment I would have paid triple the price and bought the more limited /50 version....
Maybe the weekend.
I have had some chats with people who have both contributed to it and backed the project, hence my prior knowledge but didn’t feel right saying I had read it myself, as I haven’t
If it were to be an investment I would have paid triple the price and bought the more limited /50 version....
Edited by hurstg01 on Thursday 19th November 22:05
Am hoping someone could kindly explain how a manually actuated ITB setup, such as in the F1, adjusts the idle when cold or loaded by the a/c compressor? I understand modern single throttle body systems can use an idle control valve to pass extra air into the plenum behind the main throttle plate to give a higher idle speed, and fly-by-wire systems open the butterfly fractionally but how is this done on older engines, such as V12 Jag/Ferrari/Lamborghini's with multiple carburetors?
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Caddyshack said:
flemke said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
I think the original Murci is one of the greatest looking Lambos ever made, if not THE, save perhaps the Miura.
Agreed. The Miura is probably the better looking of the two. On the other hand, when the Murci was driven at 150 mph, at least its front tyres did not lift off the ground.F1natic said:
Am hoping someone could kindly explain how a manually actuated ITB setup, such as in the F1, adjusts the idle when cold or loaded by the a/c compressor? I understand modern single throttle body systems can use an idle control valve to pass extra air into the plenum behind the main throttle plate to give a higher idle speed, and fly-by-wire systems open the butterfly fractionally but how is this done on older engines, such as V12 Jag/Ferrari/Lamborghini's with multiple carburetors?
That's really a question to someone like Max_Torque, but 
Not sure about McLaren. For older (i.e. carburetted) engines, google says that there is a lever with a much higher ratio than the one used for pedal ITB control, that opens each throttle fractionally (presumably manually controlled).
An addendum to my McLaren P1 critique earlier, here's a story related by Frank Stephenson about Ron seeing the clay model for the first time (emphasis mine):
https://jalopnik.com/legendary-designer-frank-step...
Frank Stephenson said:
I can remember the day that we showed it to Ron, and it was under one of those silk covers. After a year, he was ready to see it. We pulled it off and his jaw dropped. He was like, “What the hell is this? Where’s the front of the car and where’s the back?” And I’m like “Uh, Ron, this is like haute couture. And you need the shock factor when you have a hypercar. If it’s Superman, you want it to look like Superman, not like Clark Kent.” So he didn’t get it, he said “You’ve been working on this for a year and this is all you could come up with?” Yeah, well, Ron, it’s supposed to look a little weird, because it’s a hypercar. It’s got a unique look, you can’t mistake it for anything else out there. Finally he said, “Alright, well if you guys think so. But remember, I can always kill it, I can pull the plug right here and now. And if this car doesn’t sell, you’re out of here!”
Aah, I miss Ron.https://jalopnik.com/legendary-designer-frank-step...
Nockenpaul said:
An addendum to my McLaren P1 critique earlier, here's a story related by Frank Stephenson about Ron seeing the clay model for the first time (emphasis mine):
https://jalopnik.com/legendary-designer-frank-step...
Thanks, that is most interesting. Well, a bit. Still doesn't stop me thinking the P1 looks mega. Frank Stephenson said:
I can remember the day that we showed it to Ron, and it was under one of those silk covers. After a year, he was ready to see it. We pulled it off and his jaw dropped. He was like, “What the hell is this? Where’s the front of the car and where’s the back?” And I’m like “Uh, Ron, this is like haute couture. And you need the shock factor when you have a hypercar. If it’s Superman, you want it to look like Superman, not like Clark Kent.” So he didn’t get it, he said “You’ve been working on this for a year and this is all you could come up with?” Yeah, well, Ron, it’s supposed to look a little weird, because it’s a hypercar. It’s got a unique look, you can’t mistake it for anything else out there. Finally he said, “Alright, well if you guys think so. But remember, I can always kill it, I can pull the plug right here and now. And if this car doesn’t sell, you’re out of here!”
Aah, I miss Ron.https://jalopnik.com/legendary-designer-frank-step...
Nockenpaul said:
Not sure about McLaren. For older (i.e. carburetted) engines, google says that there is a lever with a much higher ratio than the one used for pedal ITB control, that opens each throttle fractionally (presumably manually controlled).
Thanks mate, just what I was after. The picture you posted makes it perfectly clear to understand the setup using a single IAC valve. Now to adapt it to a couple of V6's and see how they run. 
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff