Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
epom said:
Oh man, that white HDF Kit one is my new favourite.
It is lovely, one of my favourites, now in Europe in a cool collection. Having seen a yellow one up close, the colour is a deep yellow, better than one of the pictures showing above that looks like it has too much white in it
cc8s said:
This is probably as good a place as any to mention that the Brunei F1s have been moving a lot recently.
Their F1 GT was sent to MSO for recommissioning recently and the two F1 LMs have apparently landed in England to receive similar treatment. There are others that will know a lot more and can maybe share.
On another note, two F1 roadcars turned up to FoS (not part of displays). 028 in the public carpark, and 046 in the supercar carpark. Flemke, have you ever taken a car to FoS? Or not your scene?
One year I drove my car down there, parked in one of the normal car parks, not in that 'special' grouping. I didn't want my car tainted by getting too close to Ferraris and the like. I would rather be treated equally to normal folks. Their F1 GT was sent to MSO for recommissioning recently and the two F1 LMs have apparently landed in England to receive similar treatment. There are others that will know a lot more and can maybe share.
On another note, two F1 roadcars turned up to FoS (not part of displays). 028 in the public carpark, and 046 in the supercar carpark. Flemke, have you ever taken a car to FoS? Or not your scene?
Another year I was contacted by evo magazine a few months ahead of the FoS. The mag had been commissioned by Goodwood to assemble the road cars that would driving up the hill that year. They asked me if I would bring down my car, I would be the driver up the hill, etc. I would have to be down there for all three days. I said 'Okay' and made my other plans around those dates. The mag said they would be back in touch nearer the time.
Months passed. It was now about a fortnight before the FoS and I had not heard from the mag so I got in touch with them: 'What's happening, guys?'
They said that they were embarrassed to admit that they had submitted their complete list of road cars to Goodwood, and somebody down there had rejected the inclusion of a McLaren F1 because - exact quote - 'It's yesterday's car'. (Nb: This was coming from an organisation operating out of a 400-year-old building.)
Whatever. It was annoying that nobody from the mag had ever called me back to explain the situation, so that I might have rearranged my plans.
The funny thing was that the car that Goodwood chose to include instead of an F1 was a 350Z - which was driven up the hill by the illustrious petrolhead Ruby Wax.
Another funny thing took place two or three years later when, through a different party, Goodwood came back to me and said, 'We'd really love to have an F1 road car drive up the hill this year. Would you consider bring down yours?'
The answer was, 'No, I would not consider bringing down mine.'
Fwiw, I do not believe that Lord March had been involved in rejecting the car in the first place. He has a team of people who arrange most of this stuff, whilst he himself is a sensible person who loves great cars.
flemke said:
One year I drove my car down there, parked in one of the normal car parks, not in that 'special' grouping. I didn't want my car tainted by getting too close to Ferraris and the like. I would rather be treated equally to normal folks.
Another year I was contacted by evo magazine a few months ahead of the FoS. The mag had been commissioned by Goodwood to assemble the road cars that would driving up the hill that year. They asked me if I would bring down my car, I would be the driver up the hill, etc. I would have to be down there for all three days. I said 'Okay' and made my other plans around those dates. The mag said they would be back in touch nearer the time.
Months passed. It was now about a fortnight before the FoS and I had not heard from the mag so I got in touch with them: 'What's happening, guys?'
They said that they were embarrassed to admit that they had submitted their complete list of road cars to Goodwood, and somebody down there had rejected the inclusion of a McLaren F1 because - exact quote - 'It's yesterday's car'. (Nb: This was coming from an organisation operating out of a 400-year-old building.)
Whatever. It was annoying that nobody from the mag had ever called me back to explain the situation, so that I might have rearranged my plans.
The funny thing was that the car that Goodwood chose to include instead of an F1 was a 350Z - which was driven up the hill by the illustrious petrolhead Ruby Wax.
Another funny thing took place two or three years later when, through a different party, Goodwood came back to me and said, 'We'd really love to have an F1 road car drive up the hill this year. Would you consider bring down yours?'
The answer was, 'No, I would not consider bringing down mine.'
Fwiw, I do not believe that Lord March had been involved in rejecting the car in the first place. He has a team of people who arrange most of this stuff, whilst he himself is a sensible person who loves great cars.
Seems a bit pissy to deny people a chance to see the car in motion due to a perceived slight from someone who more than likely doesn’t even work there anymore.Another year I was contacted by evo magazine a few months ahead of the FoS. The mag had been commissioned by Goodwood to assemble the road cars that would driving up the hill that year. They asked me if I would bring down my car, I would be the driver up the hill, etc. I would have to be down there for all three days. I said 'Okay' and made my other plans around those dates. The mag said they would be back in touch nearer the time.
Months passed. It was now about a fortnight before the FoS and I had not heard from the mag so I got in touch with them: 'What's happening, guys?'
They said that they were embarrassed to admit that they had submitted their complete list of road cars to Goodwood, and somebody down there had rejected the inclusion of a McLaren F1 because - exact quote - 'It's yesterday's car'. (Nb: This was coming from an organisation operating out of a 400-year-old building.)
Whatever. It was annoying that nobody from the mag had ever called me back to explain the situation, so that I might have rearranged my plans.
The funny thing was that the car that Goodwood chose to include instead of an F1 was a 350Z - which was driven up the hill by the illustrious petrolhead Ruby Wax.
Another funny thing took place two or three years later when, through a different party, Goodwood came back to me and said, 'We'd really love to have an F1 road car drive up the hill this year. Would you consider bring down yours?'
The answer was, 'No, I would not consider bringing down mine.'
Fwiw, I do not believe that Lord March had been involved in rejecting the car in the first place. He has a team of people who arrange most of this stuff, whilst he himself is a sensible person who loves great cars.
Love all the vids being put out by GMA but why do the people who write the scripts insist on referencing the reproductions in his collection as if they were the original.
It is acknowledged in the written intro (in very small writing!) that the car shown is a continuation, GM when asked in interviews always confirms such, however the opening Line Dario then says "this is a very important car to Gordon" when it is in fact a facsimile, the original example which did all those things is still very much alive and kicking.
GM openly stated he did not want to pay the asking price of that original car when it was offered for sale a while back, and said he could build another much cheaper, which they then did.
I know it's probably some media type behind it, and those that know, know, but people new to such cars are potentially being misinformed and then unwittingly pass along that misinformation to others.
I have no issue with continuation, reproduction, facsimiles, in fact I am building such a car of another marque, however those that do love to jump up and down and label them "fake" as a result when something is misrepresented in such a manner
It is acknowledged in the written intro (in very small writing!) that the car shown is a continuation, GM when asked in interviews always confirms such, however the opening Line Dario then says "this is a very important car to Gordon" when it is in fact a facsimile, the original example which did all those things is still very much alive and kicking.
GM openly stated he did not want to pay the asking price of that original car when it was offered for sale a while back, and said he could build another much cheaper, which they then did.
I know it's probably some media type behind it, and those that know, know, but people new to such cars are potentially being misinformed and then unwittingly pass along that misinformation to others.
I have no issue with continuation, reproduction, facsimiles, in fact I am building such a car of another marque, however those that do love to jump up and down and label them "fake" as a result when something is misrepresented in such a manner
PAUL.S. said:
Love all the vids being put out by GMA but why do the people who write the scripts insist on referencing the reproductions in his collection as if they were the original.
It is acknowledged in the written intro (in very small writing!) that the car shown is a continuation, GM when asked in interviews always confirms such, however the opening Line Dario then says "this is a very important car to Gordon" when it is in fact a facsimile, the original example which did all those things is still very much alive and kicking.
GM openly stated he did not want to pay the asking price of that original car when it was offered for sale a while back, and said he could build another much cheaper, which they then did.
I know it's probably some media type behind it, and those that know, know, but people new to such cars are potentially being misinformed and then unwittingly pass along that misinformation to others.
I have no issue with continuation, reproduction, facsimiles, in fact I am building such a car of another marque, however those that do love to jump up and down and label them "fake" as a result when something is misrepresented in such a manner
Do they actually use the word 'continuation'? It is acknowledged in the written intro (in very small writing!) that the car shown is a continuation, GM when asked in interviews always confirms such, however the opening Line Dario then says "this is a very important car to Gordon" when it is in fact a facsimile, the original example which did all those things is still very much alive and kicking.
GM openly stated he did not want to pay the asking price of that original car when it was offered for sale a while back, and said he could build another much cheaper, which they then did.
I know it's probably some media type behind it, and those that know, know, but people new to such cars are potentially being misinformed and then unwittingly pass along that misinformation to others.
I have no issue with continuation, reproduction, facsimiles, in fact I am building such a car of another marque, however those that do love to jump up and down and label them "fake" as a result when something is misrepresented in such a manner
I did not know that there could be a continuation of a one-off! More like a reproduction or replica.
Pflanzgarten said:
flemke said:
One year I drove my car down there, parked in one of the normal car parks, not in that 'special' grouping. I didn't want my car tainted by getting too close to Ferraris and the like. I would rather be treated equally to normal folks.
Another year I was contacted by evo magazine a few months ahead of the FoS. The mag had been commissioned by Goodwood to assemble the road cars that would driving up the hill that year. They asked me if I would bring down my car, I would be the driver up the hill, etc. I would have to be down there for all three days. I said 'Okay' and made my other plans around those dates. The mag said they would be back in touch nearer the time.
Months passed. It was now about a fortnight before the FoS and I had not heard from the mag so I got in touch with them: 'What's happening, guys?'
They said that they were embarrassed to admit that they had submitted their complete list of road cars to Goodwood, and somebody down there had rejected the inclusion of a McLaren F1 because - exact quote - 'It's yesterday's car'. (Nb: This was coming from an organisation operating out of a 400-year-old building.)
Whatever. It was annoying that nobody from the mag had ever called me back to explain the situation, so that I might have rearranged my plans.
The funny thing was that the car that Goodwood chose to include instead of an F1 was a 350Z - which was driven up the hill by the illustrious petrolhead Ruby Wax.
Another funny thing took place two or three years later when, through a different party, Goodwood came back to me and said, 'We'd really love to have an F1 road car drive up the hill this year. Would you consider bring down yours?'
The answer was, 'No, I would not consider bringing down mine.'
Fwiw, I do not believe that Lord March had been involved in rejecting the car in the first place. He has a team of people who arrange most of this stuff, whilst he himself is a sensible person who loves great cars.
Seems a bit pissy to deny people a chance to see the car in motion due to a perceived slight from someone who more than likely doesn’t even work there anymore.Another year I was contacted by evo magazine a few months ahead of the FoS. The mag had been commissioned by Goodwood to assemble the road cars that would driving up the hill that year. They asked me if I would bring down my car, I would be the driver up the hill, etc. I would have to be down there for all three days. I said 'Okay' and made my other plans around those dates. The mag said they would be back in touch nearer the time.
Months passed. It was now about a fortnight before the FoS and I had not heard from the mag so I got in touch with them: 'What's happening, guys?'
They said that they were embarrassed to admit that they had submitted their complete list of road cars to Goodwood, and somebody down there had rejected the inclusion of a McLaren F1 because - exact quote - 'It's yesterday's car'. (Nb: This was coming from an organisation operating out of a 400-year-old building.)
Whatever. It was annoying that nobody from the mag had ever called me back to explain the situation, so that I might have rearranged my plans.
The funny thing was that the car that Goodwood chose to include instead of an F1 was a 350Z - which was driven up the hill by the illustrious petrolhead Ruby Wax.
Another funny thing took place two or three years later when, through a different party, Goodwood came back to me and said, 'We'd really love to have an F1 road car drive up the hill this year. Would you consider bring down yours?'
The answer was, 'No, I would not consider bringing down mine.'
Fwiw, I do not believe that Lord March had been involved in rejecting the car in the first place. He has a team of people who arrange most of this stuff, whilst he himself is a sensible person who loves great cars.
AFAIK there is only one other owner who has driven his car on public roads as much as I have driven mine. If I have been 'pissy', what would that make the owners of other F1s, Enzos, LaFs, and all the other garage queens that, after 10 or 20 years, still have delivery miles?
flemke said:
PAUL.S. said:
Love all the vids being put out by GMA but why do the people who write the scripts insist on referencing the reproductions in his collection as if they were the original.
It is acknowledged in the written intro (in very small writing!) that the car shown is a continuation, GM when asked in interviews always confirms such, however the opening Line Dario then says "this is a very important car to Gordon" when it is in fact a facsimile, the original example which did all those things is still very much alive and kicking.
GM openly stated he did not want to pay the asking price of that original car when it was offered for sale a while back, and said he could build another much cheaper, which they then did.
I know it's probably some media type behind it, and those that know, know, but people new to such cars are potentially being misinformed and then unwittingly pass along that misinformation to others.
I have no issue with continuation, reproduction, facsimiles, in fact I am building such a car of another marque, however those that do love to jump up and down and label them "fake" as a result when something is misrepresented in such a manner
Do they actually use the word 'continuation'? It is acknowledged in the written intro (in very small writing!) that the car shown is a continuation, GM when asked in interviews always confirms such, however the opening Line Dario then says "this is a very important car to Gordon" when it is in fact a facsimile, the original example which did all those things is still very much alive and kicking.
GM openly stated he did not want to pay the asking price of that original car when it was offered for sale a while back, and said he could build another much cheaper, which they then did.
I know it's probably some media type behind it, and those that know, know, but people new to such cars are potentially being misinformed and then unwittingly pass along that misinformation to others.
I have no issue with continuation, reproduction, facsimiles, in fact I am building such a car of another marque, however those that do love to jump up and down and label them "fake" as a result when something is misrepresented in such a manner
I did not know that there could be a continuation of a one-off! More like a reproduction or replica.
"Continuation" of the model seems a fair way to describe such, Jaguar etc seem to hang their hat on that word, however this one is made to look exactly like the first, so maybe it is a replica of the original one, based on a continuation of that T spec, albeit 50 years later!
The two people mentioned in the nostalgic manner though had nothing to do with this particular example, so why did the producers feel the need to ladle that on in the vid, keep it factual is best and simply say it was a homage to them as well.
Edited by PAUL.S. on Thursday 10th August 07:52
Pflanzgarten said:
flemke said:
One year I drove my car down there, parked in one of the normal car parks, not in that 'special' grouping. I didn't want my car tainted by getting too close to Ferraris and the like. I would rather be treated equally to normal folks.
Another year I was contacted by evo magazine a few months ahead of the FoS. The mag had been commissioned by Goodwood to assemble the road cars that would driving up the hill that year. They asked me if I would bring down my car, I would be the driver up the hill, etc. I would have to be down there for all three days. I said 'Okay' and made my other plans around those dates. The mag said they would be back in touch nearer the time.
Months passed. It was now about a fortnight before the FoS and I had not heard from the mag so I got in touch with them: 'What's happening, guys?'
They said that they were embarrassed to admit that they had submitted their complete list of road cars to Goodwood, and somebody down there had rejected the inclusion of a McLaren F1 because - exact quote - 'It's yesterday's car'. (Nb: This was coming from an organisation operating out of a 400-year-old building.)
Whatever. It was annoying that nobody from the mag had ever called me back to explain the situation, so that I might have rearranged my plans.
The funny thing was that the car that Goodwood chose to include instead of an F1 was a 350Z - which was driven up the hill by the illustrious petrolhead Ruby Wax.
Another funny thing took place two or three years later when, through a different party, Goodwood came back to me and said, 'We'd really love to have an F1 road car drive up the hill this year. Would you consider bring down yours?'
The answer was, 'No, I would not consider bringing down mine.'
Fwiw, I do not believe that Lord March had been involved in rejecting the car in the first place. He has a team of people who arrange most of this stuff, whilst he himself is a sensible person who loves great cars.
Seems a bit pissy to deny people a chance to see the car in motion due to a perceived slight from someone who more than likely doesn’t even work there anymore.Another year I was contacted by evo magazine a few months ahead of the FoS. The mag had been commissioned by Goodwood to assemble the road cars that would driving up the hill that year. They asked me if I would bring down my car, I would be the driver up the hill, etc. I would have to be down there for all three days. I said 'Okay' and made my other plans around those dates. The mag said they would be back in touch nearer the time.
Months passed. It was now about a fortnight before the FoS and I had not heard from the mag so I got in touch with them: 'What's happening, guys?'
They said that they were embarrassed to admit that they had submitted their complete list of road cars to Goodwood, and somebody down there had rejected the inclusion of a McLaren F1 because - exact quote - 'It's yesterday's car'. (Nb: This was coming from an organisation operating out of a 400-year-old building.)
Whatever. It was annoying that nobody from the mag had ever called me back to explain the situation, so that I might have rearranged my plans.
The funny thing was that the car that Goodwood chose to include instead of an F1 was a 350Z - which was driven up the hill by the illustrious petrolhead Ruby Wax.
Another funny thing took place two or three years later when, through a different party, Goodwood came back to me and said, 'We'd really love to have an F1 road car drive up the hill this year. Would you consider bring down yours?'
The answer was, 'No, I would not consider bringing down mine.'
Fwiw, I do not believe that Lord March had been involved in rejecting the car in the first place. He has a team of people who arrange most of this stuff, whilst he himself is a sensible person who loves great cars.
epom said:
Pflanzgarten said:
flemke said:
One year I drove my car down there, parked in one of the normal car parks, not in that 'special' grouping. I didn't want my car tainted by getting too close to Ferraris and the like. I would rather be treated equally to normal folks.
Another year I was contacted by evo magazine a few months ahead of the FoS. The mag had been commissioned by Goodwood to assemble the road cars that would driving up the hill that year. They asked me if I would bring down my car, I would be the driver up the hill, etc. I would have to be down there for all three days. I said 'Okay' and made my other plans around those dates. The mag said they would be back in touch nearer the time.
Months passed. It was now about a fortnight before the FoS and I had not heard from the mag so I got in touch with them: 'What's happening, guys?'
They said that they were embarrassed to admit that they had submitted their complete list of road cars to Goodwood, and somebody down there had rejected the inclusion of a McLaren F1 because - exact quote - 'It's yesterday's car'. (Nb: This was coming from an organisation operating out of a 400-year-old building.)
Whatever. It was annoying that nobody from the mag had ever called me back to explain the situation, so that I might have rearranged my plans.
The funny thing was that the car that Goodwood chose to include instead of an F1 was a 350Z - which was driven up the hill by the illustrious petrolhead Ruby Wax.
Another funny thing took place two or three years later when, through a different party, Goodwood came back to me and said, 'We'd really love to have an F1 road car drive up the hill this year. Would you consider bring down yours?'
The answer was, 'No, I would not consider bringing down mine.'
Fwiw, I do not believe that Lord March had been involved in rejecting the car in the first place. He has a team of people who arrange most of this stuff, whilst he himself is a sensible person who loves great cars.
Seems a bit pissy to deny people a chance to see the car in motion due to a perceived slight from someone who more than likely doesn’t even work there anymore.Another year I was contacted by evo magazine a few months ahead of the FoS. The mag had been commissioned by Goodwood to assemble the road cars that would driving up the hill that year. They asked me if I would bring down my car, I would be the driver up the hill, etc. I would have to be down there for all three days. I said 'Okay' and made my other plans around those dates. The mag said they would be back in touch nearer the time.
Months passed. It was now about a fortnight before the FoS and I had not heard from the mag so I got in touch with them: 'What's happening, guys?'
They said that they were embarrassed to admit that they had submitted their complete list of road cars to Goodwood, and somebody down there had rejected the inclusion of a McLaren F1 because - exact quote - 'It's yesterday's car'. (Nb: This was coming from an organisation operating out of a 400-year-old building.)
Whatever. It was annoying that nobody from the mag had ever called me back to explain the situation, so that I might have rearranged my plans.
The funny thing was that the car that Goodwood chose to include instead of an F1 was a 350Z - which was driven up the hill by the illustrious petrolhead Ruby Wax.
Another funny thing took place two or three years later when, through a different party, Goodwood came back to me and said, 'We'd really love to have an F1 road car drive up the hill this year. Would you consider bring down yours?'
The answer was, 'No, I would not consider bringing down mine.'
Fwiw, I do not believe that Lord March had been involved in rejecting the car in the first place. He has a team of people who arrange most of this stuff, whilst he himself is a sensible person who loves great cars.
hurstg01 said:
epom said:
Spot on, I mean come on Flemke, I know it’s your £10,000,000 car, but don’t be so selfish. We should all get a go when suits us, don’t even try to pretend you have other things to do
Its not half his car, its the whole thing 
As an aside i've always thought if i had a large lottery win, i'd try and keep it a secret & do some good with it (as in 'At Home with the Braithwaites')
But i'm afraid if i won an obscene (to some people) amount, people would be able to guess as I'd have an F1 no matter the cost
Yes, i like & appreciate other supercars and yes, i know it has its foibles but it's simply the ONLY car that i've lusted after in this way - is that wrong?
stepej said:
hurstg01 said:
epom said:
Spot on, I mean come on Flemke, I know it’s your £10,000,000 car, but don’t be so selfish. We should all get a go when suits us, don’t even try to pretend you have other things to do
Its not half his car, its the whole thing As an aside i've always thought if i had a large lottery win, i'd try and keep it a secret & do some good with it (as in 'At Home with the Braithwaites')
But i'm afraid if i won an obscene (to some people) amount, people would be able to guess as I'd have an F1 no matter the cost
Yes, i like & appreciate other supercars and yes, i know it has its foibles but it's simply the ONLY car that i've lusted after in this way - is that wrong?
PAUL.S. said:
Love all the vids being put out by GMA but why do the people who write the scripts insist on referencing the reproductions in his collection as if they were the original.
It is acknowledged in the written intro (in very small writing!) that the car shown is a continuation, GM when asked in interviews always confirms such, however the opening Line Dario then says "this is a very important car to Gordon" when it is in fact a facsimile, the original example which did all those things is still very much alive and kicking.
Ohhhhhh are they scripted? I was thinking I found them unbearable because Dario Franchitti was speaking and presenting in them, good to know my irrational hatred wasn't clouding the fact.It is acknowledged in the written intro (in very small writing!) that the car shown is a continuation, GM when asked in interviews always confirms such, however the opening Line Dario then says "this is a very important car to Gordon" when it is in fact a facsimile, the original example which did all those things is still very much alive and kicking.
Shame really because Mr Murray is a legend, and I think it's great the way he has assembled a collection of either his past cars or cars that mean a great deal to him (case in point being a 'hot' Mk 1 Cortina GT instead of buying a Lotus replica like most other people).
E90_M3Ross said:
stepej said:
hurstg01 said:
epom said:
Spot on, I mean come on Flemke, I know it’s your £10,000,000 car, but don’t be so selfish. We should all get a go when suits us, don’t even try to pretend you have other things to do
Its not half his car, its the whole thing As an aside i've always thought if i had a large lottery win, i'd try and keep it a secret & do some good with it (as in 'At Home with the Braithwaites')
But i'm afraid if i won an obscene (to some people) amount, people would be able to guess as I'd have an F1 no matter the cost
Yes, i like & appreciate other supercars and yes, i know it has its foibles but it's simply the ONLY car that i've lusted after in this way - is that wrong?
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