Flemke - Is this your McLaren? (Vol 5)
Discussion
flemke said:
stevesingo said:
flemke said:
Well...
in some ways it's a really nice car. The interior is laid out and works beautifully, the controls are nicely weighted, there is plenty of feel to the steering and brakes.
I'd say that the basic car looks good (obvs dependent on the spec and original owner's decisions) too.
My main reservation relates to the battery. AIUI, the 'fix' has been essentially to make the battery smaller, not to make it more robust. I would worry about that (as I would about the batteries in the 918 and LaFerrari).
There was also a big problem with the battery chargers, many of which became defective in short order and the cost of replacement was ludicrous (although there was an independent who claimed to be able to fix the chargers for quite reasonable money).
The car's engine note is fairly uninspiring. In addition, the car has a 'Whoosh!' sound which is artificially piped from the turbos into the cabin and just sounds stupid.
Also, on the outside the car is pretty big - the doors are almost unbelievably thick - and I don't care for big cars.
So you might love it, but be sure you have done your homework about the battery and charger (on which I may not be current).
Oh, one other thing: it's fast.
I see what you did there.in some ways it's a really nice car. The interior is laid out and works beautifully, the controls are nicely weighted, there is plenty of feel to the steering and brakes.
I'd say that the basic car looks good (obvs dependent on the spec and original owner's decisions) too.
My main reservation relates to the battery. AIUI, the 'fix' has been essentially to make the battery smaller, not to make it more robust. I would worry about that (as I would about the batteries in the 918 and LaFerrari).
There was also a big problem with the battery chargers, many of which became defective in short order and the cost of replacement was ludicrous (although there was an independent who claimed to be able to fix the chargers for quite reasonable money).
The car's engine note is fairly uninspiring. In addition, the car has a 'Whoosh!' sound which is artificially piped from the turbos into the cabin and just sounds stupid.
Also, on the outside the car is pretty big - the doors are almost unbelievably thick - and I don't care for big cars.
So you might love it, but be sure you have done your homework about the battery and charger (on which I may not be current).
Oh, one other thing: it's fast.
I used to see Dean Lanzante go past my house in a P1 quite a bit but haven't seen him recently, I guess that was a customer car on test.
flemke said:
Well...
in some ways it's a really nice car. The interior is laid out and works beautifully, the controls are nicely weighted, there is plenty of feel to the steering and brakes.
I'd say that the basic car looks good (obvs dependent on the spec and original owner's decisions) too.
My main reservation relates to the battery. AIUI, the 'fix' has been essentially to make the battery smaller, not to make it more robust. I would worry about that (as I would about the batteries in the 918 and LaFerrari).
There was also a big problem with the battery chargers, many of which became defective in short order and the cost of replacement was ludicrous (although there was an independent who claimed to be able to fix the chargers for quite reasonable money).
The car's engine note is fairly uninspiring. In addition, the car has a 'Whoosh!' sound which is artificially piped from the turbos into the cabin and just sounds stupid.
Also, on the outside the car is pretty big - the doors are almost unbelievably thick - and I don't care for big cars.
So you might love it, but be sure you have done your homework about the battery and charger (on which I may not be current).
Oh, one other thing: it's fast.
Thanks very much for that. in some ways it's a really nice car. The interior is laid out and works beautifully, the controls are nicely weighted, there is plenty of feel to the steering and brakes.
I'd say that the basic car looks good (obvs dependent on the spec and original owner's decisions) too.
My main reservation relates to the battery. AIUI, the 'fix' has been essentially to make the battery smaller, not to make it more robust. I would worry about that (as I would about the batteries in the 918 and LaFerrari).
There was also a big problem with the battery chargers, many of which became defective in short order and the cost of replacement was ludicrous (although there was an independent who claimed to be able to fix the chargers for quite reasonable money).
The car's engine note is fairly uninspiring. In addition, the car has a 'Whoosh!' sound which is artificially piped from the turbos into the cabin and just sounds stupid.
Also, on the outside the car is pretty big - the doors are almost unbelievably thick - and I don't care for big cars.
So you might love it, but be sure you have done your homework about the battery and charger (on which I may not be current).
Oh, one other thing: it's fast.
I was having a look at a P1 the other day and was struck by how small it seemed. Maybe the low height made it seem smaller than it is. I believe V Engineering has developed a solution for a new battery pack - maybe making the battery smaller is key to making it more ribust for heat management reasons? Not sure.
Engine note... yes - problem for all modern macs sadly. Has anyone ever made a turbo'd flat-plane V8 sound good? Not to my ears. Pista, AMG Black, McLaren - it's just a sort of bark/blare isn't it.
I just love the drama of the P1 and with only 375 made, if the market sees there is a solution to the battery stuff, could be some upside. £1.4m seems low in the hypercar market context. Colour sensitive though. Ideally mine would be volcano orange, ice silver, genesis blue or amethyst black. Far too many grey ones around
thegreenhell said:
barchetta_boy said:
Engine note... yes - problem for all modern macs sadly. Has anyone ever made a turbo'd flat-plane V8 sound good? Not to my ears. Pista, AMG Black, McLaren - it's just a sort of bark/blare isn't it.
288GTO/F40?barchetta_boy said:
I was having a look at a P1 the other day and was struck by how small it seemed. Maybe the low height made it seem smaller than it is.
was just with a pal and recalling how lucky I was moons ago to join an owner do 'the tour' - of Woking, factory, the below ground lair - and was saying just how astonishing the packaging behind the B-Pillar, and how low the tail of the car was compared to anything else.I was about to google the current values, but if 1.4m the climb has been very steady.
£1.4 retail for the very best cars. £1m/1.1 trade. Is how I see it.
288 GTO doesn't sound good to me. F40 sounds terrible unless you have a Tubi but the overall experience is so intense a musical engine note is the last thing you're focussed on! IMHO of course. Maybe the P1 is a bit like that
288 GTO doesn't sound good to me. F40 sounds terrible unless you have a Tubi but the overall experience is so intense a musical engine note is the last thing you're focussed on! IMHO of course. Maybe the P1 is a bit like that
barchetta_boy said:
£1.4 retail for the very best cars. £1m/1.1 trade. Is how I see it.
288 GTO doesn't sound good to me. F40 sounds terrible unless you have a Tubi but the overall experience is so intense a musical engine note is the last thing you're focussed on! IMHO of course. Maybe the P1 is a bit like that
It has been extraordinary how little the now-ten-years-old P1 has appreciated relative to both the LaF and the 918, both of which were produced in greater numbers than the P1 was.288 GTO doesn't sound good to me. F40 sounds terrible unless you have a Tubi but the overall experience is so intense a musical engine note is the last thing you're focussed on! IMHO of course. Maybe the P1 is a bit like that
flemke said:
It has been extraordinary how little the now-ten-years-old P1 has appreciated relative to both the LaF and the 918, both of which were produced in greater numbers than the P1 was.
Is that down to fears over maintenance costs do you think? I've heard more about the P1 servicing/battery replacement etc than the others - but then I haven't been listening that intently!Animal said:
flemke said:
It has been extraordinary how little the now-ten-years-old P1 has appreciated relative to both the LaF and the 918, both of which were produced in greater numbers than the P1 was.
Is that down to fears over maintenance costs do you think? I've heard more about the P1 servicing/battery replacement etc than the others - but then I haven't been listening that intently!Animal said:
Is that down to fears over maintenance costs do you think? I've heard more about the P1 servicing/battery replacement etc than the others - but then I haven't been listening that intently!
the la ferrari battery isn't cheap to replace either though (£250k fitted iirc) these cars just don't get driven anyway so I don't think it makes too much difference
lauda said:
A slight thread tangent but I was listening to the Collecting Addicts podcast last week and they were saying that the three year service package for the Valkyrie was something like £230k plus VAT. Probably makes running an F1 or P1 look remarkably good value for money.
Yeah - and Harris' comment about just buying an old racing car and doing it properly doesn't seem so silly by comparison!Animal said:
Yeah - and Harris' comment about just buying an old racing car and doing it properly doesn't seem so silly by comparison!
still silly imo, you could apply the 'racing car is faster' to absolutely any hypercar - the ferrari 360 gt is faster than the f50/enzo/la ferrari / FXX etc despite having 500 more hp !WCZ said:
Animal said:
Yeah - and Harris' comment about just buying an old racing car and doing it properly doesn't seem so silly by comparison!
still silly imo, you could apply the 'racing car is faster' to absolutely any hypercar - the ferrari 360 gt is faster than the f50/enzo/la ferrari / FXX etc despite having 500 more hp !$3.5m for the Valkyrie AMR, plus those kind of running costs, you could have an LMP2 car and run it for years of occasional trackdays at that money.
Krikkit said:
Doesn't really apply for road cars of that type, but if you're buying a track-only mega car then I think Harris has a very valid point...
$3.5m for the Valkyrie AMR, plus those kind of running costs, you could have an LMP2 car and run it for years of occasional trackdays at that money.
the valk amr isn't even based on the valk so is fairly silly imo (although chris harris actually only likes this version and dislikes the road going valk) $3.5m for the Valkyrie AMR, plus those kind of running costs, you could have an LMP2 car and run it for years of occasional trackdays at that money.
I think there are some exceptions though which could be fun track only cars in their own right:
the ferrari 499p - will be extremely fast
the upcoming redbull track only car - will be insanely fast
bugatti boldie - very fast but also an interesting experience because of the engine etc
the t50s - won't be that fast probably but will be a great driving experience on track
WCZ said:
the valk amr isn't even based on the valk so is fairly silly imo (although chris harris actually only likes this version and dislikes the road going valk)
I think there are some exceptions though which could be fun track only cars in their own right:
the ferrari 499p - will be extremely fast
the upcoming redbull track only car - will be insanely fast
bugatti boldie - very fast but also an interesting experience because of the engine etc
the t50s - won't be that fast probably but will be a great driving experience on track
T50s "won't be that fast probably"..... Is a very relative term. It'll still be more capable than 99.99% of drivers could get from it, I'm sure! I think there are some exceptions though which could be fun track only cars in their own right:
the ferrari 499p - will be extremely fast
the upcoming redbull track only car - will be insanely fast
bugatti boldie - very fast but also an interesting experience because of the engine etc
the t50s - won't be that fast probably but will be a great driving experience on track
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