RE: Audi TT S: Review
Discussion
Dave Hedgehog said:
a golf r with a few options is 40k 
You can spec it up that high if you like, but it has a LOT of things that are pricey options on the TT, as standard. About the only really expensive option I'd desire is the ludicrously expensive leather upholstry but I'd give that a miss rather than pay what they are asking.Check out the prices on some online brokers - they have stonking deals.
Lucas Ayde said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I agree and I have never really been much of a Golf fan(great car though it clearly is) but I have been reading a few reviews of the Golf R and everyone is waxing lyrical about it and as a value for money package I agree its hard to see past it.
It really does make the TTS look pricey and I never thought our TTS was worth £41k new after options but Audi know punters will still pay it but I cant help but think what a relative bargain the Golf R is in comparison.
Even the S3 seriously undercuts it ... so you can still have the badge and about 95% of the performance, not to mention a lot more practicality.It really does make the TTS look pricey and I never thought our TTS was worth £41k new after options but Audi know punters will still pay it but I cant help but think what a relative bargain the Golf R is in comparison.
GranCab said:
TT vs Golf = Apples vs Oranges - you either want one or the other ...
Exactly, the idea that the typical TT buyer would think about buying a Golf for a little less money is ridiculous. The looks (including the interior) are a huge part of the buying decision for these people. I think the new TT looks great. I wouldn't buy one, but I can understand why people do.
Lucas Ayde said:
Engine is pretty much the same (tuned for a couple of bhp extra on the TT).
Haldex is the same.
MQB platform is the same.
The TT has more Alumumium and hence will be lighter and slightly quicker. 0-62 is quoted as 4.7s for the manual vs 5.1 for the Golf R manual). It'll also have a lower CoG and be differently balanced but you are essentially paying 10k more for a slight extra turn of speed, coupe looks and probably slightly better handling. It's still going to share predominantly the same driving characteristics, just be a bit sharper and nippier.
I'm a TT owner but if I had £39k to spend right now, I'd plump for a Golf R and 10k in my pocket (you can get them new for around £28.5k with DSG which is what I'd go for, less with a manual box and the manual is the standard on the TTS, S-tronic likely 1.5k extra) or save a bit longer and get a Cayman.
I'd probably do the same, but I think the TT is different enough to justify the increase. The performance numbers and the lap times the car is (and was for the last gen.) capable of should be one very good reason.Haldex is the same.
MQB platform is the same.
The TT has more Alumumium and hence will be lighter and slightly quicker. 0-62 is quoted as 4.7s for the manual vs 5.1 for the Golf R manual). It'll also have a lower CoG and be differently balanced but you are essentially paying 10k more for a slight extra turn of speed, coupe looks and probably slightly better handling. It's still going to share predominantly the same driving characteristics, just be a bit sharper and nippier.
I'm a TT owner but if I had £39k to spend right now, I'd plump for a Golf R and 10k in my pocket (you can get them new for around £28.5k with DSG which is what I'd go for, less with a manual box and the manual is the standard on the TTS, S-tronic likely 1.5k extra) or save a bit longer and get a Cayman.
Also, the TTs Haldex unit is selectable, and in a number of publications over here (Germany) Audi claims the TT is rear biased in sport mode, so that could be another potential technical difference -- Not that we'd ever hear about these kinds of details in a write-up of the quality we get on this site.
EdJ said:
Exactly, the idea that the typical TT buyer would think about buying a Golf for a little less money is ridiculous. The looks (including the interior) are a huge part of the buying decision for these people.
I think the new TT looks great. I wouldn't buy one, but I can understand why people do.
I was actually considering the TTS and the Golf R. I really like the new TTS interior.I think the new TT looks great. I wouldn't buy one, but I can understand why people do.
However, I was hoping they had figured out how to solve the handling issues with the new platform, and it sounds like they haven't. Furthermore, there is just no way I am going to buy a $40K "sports car" whose brakes fade in fewer than five heavily managed laps.
Count me as another one who can't figure out why I would buy the TTS over the Golf R. From reviews, it actually sounds like the R is more fun.
EdJ said:
GranCab said:
TT vs Golf = Apples vs Oranges - you either want one or the other ...
Exactly, the idea that the typical TT buyer would think about buying a Golf for a little less money is ridiculous. The looks (including the interior) are a huge part of the buying decision for these people. I think the new TT looks great. I wouldn't buy one, but I can understand why people do.
Only Audi I would buy for £40k .....
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/a...
.. to hell with economy, 4 cylinders, DSG box, turbo and all that guff.
Over 3 years the offset of running costs in the R8 vs Depreciation in the TT will be very similar.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/a...
.. to hell with economy, 4 cylinders, DSG box, turbo and all that guff.
Over 3 years the offset of running costs in the R8 vs Depreciation in the TT will be very similar.
Interesting reading some of the comments about pricing etc, I would say at the moment Audi are masters of how they price cars and availability.
I have just left an Audi main dealer where I worked in Sales and lets just say the number of customer's who paid a deposit (some even before Audi released images and prices) was promising.
Is it expensive? Yes
Will it sell in volume? I have no doubt
Is it the sharpest driving tool? No
Do most buyers of the TT even know what understeer is? No
I have just left an Audi main dealer where I worked in Sales and lets just say the number of customer's who paid a deposit (some even before Audi released images and prices) was promising.
Is it expensive? Yes
Will it sell in volume? I have no doubt
Is it the sharpest driving tool? No
Do most buyers of the TT even know what understeer is? No
SuperchargedVR6 said:
As with nearly all VAGs, I find their engines more interesting than the cars they are in.
280lbft @ 1800rpm from a 2.0 petrol turbo is impressive, but unlike a diesel, it holds it to nearly 6000rpm. So the point of diesel again, is, erm?
Agreed. The latest TFSI is really amazing, a lot of torque around 2000 rpm but it pulls up to 6000+, even as stock.280lbft @ 1800rpm from a 2.0 petrol turbo is impressive, but unlike a diesel, it holds it to nearly 6000rpm. So the point of diesel again, is, erm?
I had the chance to test drive a S3 8V with a full exhaust and a MTM piggyback unit, it was pushing around 350 hp and it was the fastest 2.0 turbo I experienced in straight line, faster than an RS3 8P. No Evo or STI with the stock turbo is as quick from still IMHO. My Megane is a snail by comparison...but still more fun to throw around.
PorkRind said:
Great, but who wants understeer? As a 8J tts owner who's a bit disgruntled he bought a tts, I reckon this will be fine for the girls, a typical Audi fashion accessory with the questionable haldex system. For the keener driver I wish i'd gone Cayman or Z4M coupe.
Funnily enough after my disappointing test drive in the TTS I bought myself a Z4 Coupe (albeit the 3.0 Si - the 'M' was too hardcore for me as a daily) and absolutely love it. Fast, involving and a rare sight on the roads. Its even surprisingly frugal and mine was £7k cheaper than the equivalent TTS I was looking at. Gardus said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
As with nearly all VAGs, I find their engines more interesting than the cars they are in.
280lbft @ 1800rpm from a 2.0 petrol turbo is impressive, but unlike a diesel, it holds it to nearly 6000rpm. So the point of diesel again, is, erm?
Agreed. The latest TFSI is really amazing, a lot of torque around 2000 rpm but it pulls up to 6000+, even as stock.280lbft @ 1800rpm from a 2.0 petrol turbo is impressive, but unlike a diesel, it holds it to nearly 6000rpm. So the point of diesel again, is, erm?
I had the chance to test drive a S3 8V with a full exhaust and a MTM piggyback unit, it was pushing around 350 hp and it was the fastest 2.0 turbo I experienced in straight line, faster than an RS3 8P. No Evo or STI with the stock turbo is as quick from still IMHO. My Megane is a snail by comparison...but still more fun to throw around.
and what every they do to a 4 pot it will still sound s
te, give me the R32 6 pot any day Gardus said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
As with nearly all VAGs, I find their engines more interesting than the cars they are in.
280lbft @ 1800rpm from a 2.0 petrol turbo is impressive, but unlike a diesel, it holds it to nearly 6000rpm. So the point of diesel again, is, erm?
Agreed. The latest TFSI is really amazing, a lot of torque around 2000 rpm but it pulls up to 6000+, even as stock.280lbft @ 1800rpm from a 2.0 petrol turbo is impressive, but unlike a diesel, it holds it to nearly 6000rpm. So the point of diesel again, is, erm?
I had the chance to test drive a S3 8V with a full exhaust and a MTM piggyback unit, it was pushing around 350 hp and it was the fastest 2.0 turbo I experienced in straight line, faster than an RS3 8P. No Evo or STI with the stock turbo is as quick from still IMHO. My Megane is a snail by comparison...but still more fun to throw around.
Shame really because with the VAG's technical know-how and enormous financial clout, they really could produce something remarkable if they wanted to. Even the R8 is known to be an under steer monster on track, and that nanny state VAGness has infected Lamborghini as well.
It's a corporate machine making decisions on behalf of it's customers. Yes, our customers love and want under steer, debate closed, decision made. Rubber stamp - dumphh.
I bet the new TT still uses the 'understeer bushes' in the front wishbones. Instead of solid rubber, they have voids in them which 'give' when you corner hard, causing the car to plough straight on. There was a fix for that with MK1 TTs, but I'm haven't studied the new platform yet.
Dave Hedgehog said:
Gardus said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
As with nearly all VAGs, I find their engines more interesting than the cars they are in.
280lbft @ 1800rpm from a 2.0 petrol turbo is impressive, but unlike a diesel, it holds it to nearly 6000rpm. So the point of diesel again, is, erm?
Agreed. The latest TFSI is really amazing, a lot of torque around 2000 rpm but it pulls up to 6000+, even as stock.280lbft @ 1800rpm from a 2.0 petrol turbo is impressive, but unlike a diesel, it holds it to nearly 6000rpm. So the point of diesel again, is, erm?
I had the chance to test drive a S3 8V with a full exhaust and a MTM piggyback unit, it was pushing around 350 hp and it was the fastest 2.0 turbo I experienced in straight line, faster than an RS3 8P. No Evo or STI with the stock turbo is as quick from still IMHO. My Megane is a snail by comparison...but still more fun to throw around.
and what every they do to a 4 pot it will still sound s
te, give me the R32 6 pot any day EdJ said:
GranCab said:
TT vs Golf = Apples vs Oranges - you either want one or the other ...
Exactly, the idea that the typical TT buyer would think about buying a Golf for a little less money is ridiculous. The looks (including the interior) are a huge part of the buying decision for these people. I think the new TT looks great. I wouldn't buy one, but I can understand why people do.
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