RE: Lotus boss Jean-Marc Gales: PH Meets (again)
Discussion
Toaster said:
tram50 said:
forester2945 said:
mrdemon said:
Evora needs a new engine to sell world wide it's a old nasty thing and def not the right engine for the exige either.
Not the right engine for the Exige? have you driven/seen one? 
(standby for a second flaming) Appraently though, he has owned a Lotus before but when he had an Audi TT that was the best car on the planet
Lotus is a brand I really want to love but so far there's little chemistry there.
I think they'd do well to seek styling help from some world class designers. Their products functionally do well, and whilst not hideous things to look at as per the David Bangle BMW 6 series which really is a car that would look better after a crash, the current Lotus designs are a bit unresolved. I think some Ginettas look better. They've got slightly kitcarish looks.
I think they'd do well to seek styling help from some world class designers. Their products functionally do well, and whilst not hideous things to look at as per the David Bangle BMW 6 series which really is a car that would look better after a crash, the current Lotus designs are a bit unresolved. I think some Ginettas look better. They've got slightly kitcarish looks.
forester2945 said:
Not the right engine for the Exige? have you driven/seen one?
driven it 4 times never been that impressed with it, seems a bit slow in the real world vs what other cars are lapping the ring in these days.and it understeers quite bad. but a geo can sort that,
Just think it's too heavy and the BHP quoted is nowhere near what it has imo. prefer what I have already got, but a nice toy when they reach 35k.
Thought about a CUP car but £67k for a toy is out the question.
blueg33 said:
I believe (from a Mod) that he has been banned from some Lotus Forums for trolling
Appraently though, he has owned a Lotus before but when he had an Audi TT that was the best car on the planet
I am not banned at all. I left because the forum was getting a joke.Appraently though, he has owned a Lotus before but when he had an Audi TT that was the best car on the planet
I spent 5 years in LOtus cars and had a 008 Motorsport Elise S2 and spent 8k on my Exige to track spec.
As for the TTRS a remapped one is one of todays fastest A to B cars on the planet,
mrdemon said:
forester2945 said:
Not the right engine for the Exige? have you driven/seen one?
driven it 4 times never been that impressed with it, seems a bit slow in the real world vs what other cars are lapping the ring in these days.and it understeers quite bad. but a geo can sort that,
Just think it's too heavy and the BHP quoted is nowhere near what it has imo. prefer what I have already got, but a nice toy when they reach 35k.
Thought about a CUP car but £67k for a toy is out the question.
Here is a short version of the fifth Gear review.........quote....... "its small its Light" Hmmmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi3rHles2fM maybe your right or maybe you are wrong
Edited to add the longer version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFJIgHbGCQg
Edited by Toaster on Wednesday 8th October 17:25
mrdemon said:
forester2945 said:
Not the right engine for the Exige? have you driven/seen one?
driven it 4 times never been that impressed with it, seems a bit slow in the real world vs what other cars are lapping the ring in these days.mrdemon said:
ok the new Boxster S has the same 340 BHP as the evora and has a co2 of 190 for only £47k
move along !!!
The Evora is a great car, it just needs a great Engine and a lower price tag.
no one wants hi co2 cars which do 20mpg £1k new car tax, with performance that poor.
Evora UK sales are next to zero for 2014, the numbers are madfe to look nice but UK sales are very very low for the EVora.
Co2 and mpg would be offset fairly quickly I would have thought bearing in mind the reliability and maintenance costs of a Toyota lump compared with a Porsche unitmove along !!!
The Evora is a great car, it just needs a great Engine and a lower price tag.
no one wants hi co2 cars which do 20mpg £1k new car tax, with performance that poor.
Evora UK sales are next to zero for 2014, the numbers are madfe to look nice but UK sales are very very low for the EVora.
Edited by mrdemon on Wednesday 8th October 13:12
Imafreeman said:
kambites said:
The Elan concept was two seat wasn't it? I rather suspect it wouldn't be possible anyway because the Elan was longitudinal engined - the Evora engine is probably too high up and too far back.
No it was a 2+2
zebedee said:
Co2 and mpg would be offset fairly quickly I would have thought bearing in mind the reliability and maintenance costs of a Toyota lump compared with a Porsche unit
Not to mention the difference in residuals. Unfortunately for Lotus, buyers don't look at costs rationally. mrdemon said:
I am not banned at all. I left because the forum was getting a joke.
As for the TTRS a remapped one is one of todays fastest A to B cars on the planet,
You left after getting a ton of stick on there. Now you just do the same here. SELOC was/is fine and better without your 'VW Coupe' (see irrelevant comment above) and 'Beetle' crap. The stick you got was entirely due to your own postings.As for the TTRS a remapped one is one of todays fastest A to B cars on the planet,
mrdemon said:
driven it 4 times never been that impressed with it, seems a bit slow in the real world vs what other cars are lapping the ring in these days.
Not sure if I understand that. Do you want to tell us that the ring isn't your benchmark of choice, or that you find the Exige's laptimes to slow? HorneyMX5 said:
This new guy at Lotus seems to be saying all the right things for short term improvement with an eye on long term development.
Yep, agree. Proof will be in the cars obviously, but he sounds pretty level headed and passionate about the make at the same time. Very good combination for where they are at the moment.Next coming up a Mk2 Evora? Hope they address a few issues that prevent them from selling a lot more in the states. Ease of entry (sills) one thing, another the somewhat rustic current AT. If they could source a good DKG, preferably one that is faster on paper than the MT...
articulatedj said:
I have said it before, but if they simply rebody the Evora to look like the Bahar-era 2+2 Elan concept, they will double their sales. It seems so damned obvious. Just pony up the cash and do it.
People will quit worrying about a few horsepower or wide sills if it looked like this: http://www.hdcarwallpapers.com/lotus_elan_concept_...
I totally agree and have always thought this.People will quit worrying about a few horsepower or wide sills if it looked like this: http://www.hdcarwallpapers.com/lotus_elan_concept_...
The idea of an Evora is great, but I probably wouldn't be bothered with its current looks. Infact if it looks like the concept people will accept wide sills in an endearing quirk kind of way. Alfa GTV was based on a FWD Tipo floor pan, but you still wanted one (and I want another one).
mrdemon said:
driven it 4 times never been that impressed with it, seems a bit slow in the real world vs what other cars are lapping the ring in these days.
and it understeers quite bad. but a geo can sort that,
Just think it's too heavy and the BHP quoted is nowhere near what it has imo. prefer what I have already got, but a nice toy when they reach 35k.
Thought about a CUP car but £67k for a toy is out the question.
I have driven a few Boxsters and Caymen but never been that impressed with them.and it understeers quite bad. but a geo can sort that,
Just think it's too heavy and the BHP quoted is nowhere near what it has imo. prefer what I have already got, but a nice toy when they reach 35k.
Thought about a CUP car but £67k for a toy is out the question.
Just think they are seriously lacking in steering feel/precision and agility and they look a very dull. Will no doubt be expensive to maintain as well.
A bit of shed motoring though when they depreciate to the £4k level which they certainly will do.
Saying that, they are a bit common so would probably go with an MX5 instead which is probably more fun/interesting anyway.
Anyone spending north of £65k on a new non GT Porsche needs their head examined IMO. Forget the Lotus engine (at least it is reliable and does the job), Porsche steering is absolutely terrible.
zebedee said:
Co2 and mpg would be offset fairly quickly I would have thought bearing in mind the reliability and maintenance costs of a Toyota lump compared with a Porsche unit
had my car 2.5 years and 1 service with no faults, Porsche do 20k service intervals it's very cheap to run.the EVora has to be serviced double that and I bet costs more to do so.
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