Would you report a UK plated SORN car being used abroad?
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A friend of mine had a bit of an incident with a UK plated car where I live in Spain. His car has Spanish plates a while there was no major damage (a bit of polish buffed out the ding), we found out the car is SORN'd in the UK and it hasn't even had an MOT since 2012.
He was apparently very cagey about the accident and was insistent on resolving it with cash although nothing was needed in the end and both went on their way. Short of the long is, there is no way he has any sort of insurance. (You can't insure a UK car in Spain without an MOT)
The question is, this guy is clearly a liability and I see him driving his car most mornings on my way to work so would you report him? If so to who? The local police or DVLA and leave them to take care of the mess? Otherwise would you just leave him to it? He's obviously got away with it for almost 2 years now.
He was apparently very cagey about the accident and was insistent on resolving it with cash although nothing was needed in the end and both went on their way. Short of the long is, there is no way he has any sort of insurance. (You can't insure a UK car in Spain without an MOT)
The question is, this guy is clearly a liability and I see him driving his car most mornings on my way to work so would you report him? If so to who? The local police or DVLA and leave them to take care of the mess? Otherwise would you just leave him to it? He's obviously got away with it for almost 2 years now.
beanbag said:
A friend of mine had a bit of an incident with a UK plated car where I live in Spain. His car has Spanish plates a while there was no major damage (a bit of polish buffed out the ding), we found out the car is SORN'd in the UK and it hasn't even had an MOT since 2012.
So he hasn't paid the tax. So what? Does he need a UK MOT on a car with Spanish plates in Spain? beanbag said:
He was apparently very cagey about the accident and was insistent on resolving it with cash although nothing was needed in the end and both went on their way. Short of the long is, there is no way he has any sort of insurance. (You can't insure a UK car in Spain without an MOT)
Non-story? No damage, no insurance involvement? Your statement about him having no insurance is entirely guesswork on your part.beanbag said:
The question is, this guy is clearly a liability and I see him driving his car most mornings on my way to work so would you report him? If so to who? The local police or DVLA and leave them to take care of the mess? Otherwise would you just leave him to it? He's obviously got away with it for almost 2 years now.
Why is he clearly a liability? What benefit would you get from grassing him up? OpulentBob said:
beanbag said:
A friend of mine had a bit of an incident with a UK plated car where I live in Spain. His car has Spanish plates a while there was no major damage (a bit of polish buffed out the ding), we found out the car is SORN'd in the UK and it hasn't even had an MOT since 2012.
So he hasn't paid the tax. So what? Does he need a UK MOT on a car with Spanish plates in Spain? beanbag said:
He was apparently very cagey about the accident and was insistent on resolving it with cash although nothing was needed in the end and both went on their way. Short of the long is, there is no way he has any sort of insurance. (You can't insure a UK car in Spain without an MOT)
Non-story? No damage, no insurance involvement? Your statement about him having no insurance is entirely guesswork on your part.beanbag said:
The question is, this guy is clearly a liability and I see him driving his car most mornings on my way to work so would you report him? If so to who? The local police or DVLA and leave them to take care of the mess? Otherwise would you just leave him to it? He's obviously got away with it for almost 2 years now.
Why is he clearly a liability? What benefit would you get from grassing him up? My point is, what's your feeling to uninsured drivers? Are you happy for them to get away with it until the unthinkable happens or do you feel it's ok to cheat the system as long as you can?
I'm in two minds about this.
ETA: Read my initial post again. This is about somebody driving in Spain with UK plates. Not Spanish ones.
All that jazz said:
beanbag said:
ETA: Read my initial post again. This is about somebody driving in Spain with UK plates. Not Spanish ones.
beanbag said:
His car has Spanish plates
And my 2p is that you should mind your own business instead of sticking your fat oar into other folks'.
I'd say it's your friends business if he chooses to report the other driver or not. Would much actually get done about it?
All that jazz said:
beanbag said:
ETA: Read my initial post again. This is about somebody driving in Spain with UK plates. Not Spanish ones.
beanbag said:
His car has Spanish plates
And my 2p is that you should mind your own business instead of sticking your fat oar into other folks'.
So there is an uninsured driver using a car near the OP, why is it none of his business ?
maffski said:
All that jazz said:
beanbag said:
ETA: Read my initial post again. This is about somebody driving in Spain with UK plates. Not Spanish ones.
beanbag said:
His car has Spanish plates
And my 2p is that you should mind your own business instead of sticking your fat oar into other folks'.
I'd say it's your friends business if he chooses to report the other driver or not. Would much actually get done about it?
beanbag said:
A friend of mine had a bit of an incident with a UK plated car where I live in Spain. His car has Spanish plates a while there was no major damage (a bit of polish buffed out the ding), we found out the car is SORN'd in the UK and it hasn't even had an MOT since 2012.
He was apparently very cagey about the accident and was insistent on resolving it with cash although nothing was needed in the end and both went on their way. Short of the long is, there is no way he has any sort of insurance. (You can't insure a UK car in Spain without an MOT)
The question is, this guy is clearly a liability and I see him driving his car most mornings on my way to work so would you report him? If so to who? The local police or DVLA and leave them to take care of the mess? Otherwise would you just leave him to it? He's obviously got away with it for almost 2 years now.
He's got no concrete evidence that it's not insured.He was apparently very cagey about the accident and was insistent on resolving it with cash although nothing was needed in the end and both went on their way. Short of the long is, there is no way he has any sort of insurance. (You can't insure a UK car in Spain without an MOT)
The question is, this guy is clearly a liability and I see him driving his car most mornings on my way to work so would you report him? If so to who? The local police or DVLA and leave them to take care of the mess? Otherwise would you just leave him to it? He's obviously got away with it for almost 2 years now.
Corpulent Tosser said:
All that jazz said:
beanbag said:
ETA: Read my initial post again. This is about somebody driving in Spain with UK plates. Not Spanish ones.
beanbag said:
His car has Spanish plates
And my 2p is that you should mind your own business instead of sticking your fat oar into other folks'.
So there is an uninsured driver using a car near the OP, why is it none of his business ?
For those who've got it wrong.
- My friend drives a car with Spanish plates in Spain where we live.
- A man driving a UK plated car in Spain had a minor collision with my friend.
- No major damage done but the man with the UK plated car was very cagey and very reluctant to give out details and insisted it was a cash repair.
- A quick check on the DVLA data shows his can has not had a valid MOT since November 2012 and is also SORN'd
Still with me?
Some facts now:
- You can insure a UK plated car in Spain.
- To do so it must not be SORN'd and it must have a valid UK MOT.
So, a little logic dictates since said man has neither of the above, it is impossible for him to have any valid form of insurance.
So as Corpulent Tosser mentioned, why shouldn't it be a concern to me that an uninsured driver is around and about in my area near schools, busy junctions, buses, taxi's, etc....if it were in the UK, people would be up in arms if I suddenly told you I was no longer driving my car with valid insurance.
So back to my original question, I think perhaps he should be reported but to whom? I don't know where he lives and all I know is I see him about 3-4 times a week along the same stretch of road on my commute to work.
beanbag said:
I thank you for reading my post.
For those who've got it wrong.
- My friend drives a car with Spanish plates in Spain where we live.
- A man driving a UK plated car in Spain had a minor collision with my friend.
- No major damage done but the man with the UK plated car was very cagey and very reluctant to give out details and insisted it was a cash repair.
- A quick check on the DVLA data shows his can has not had a valid MOT since November 2012 and is also SORN'd
Still with me?
Some facts now:
- You can insure a UK plated car in Spain.
- To do so it must not be SORN'd and it must have a valid UK MOT.
So, a little logic dictates since said man has neither of the above, it is impossible for him to have any valid form of insurance.
So as Corpulent Tosser mentioned, why shouldn't it be a concern to me that an uninsured driver is around and about in my area near schools, busy junctions, buses, taxi's, etc....if it were in the UK, people would be up in arms if I suddenly told you I was no longer driving my car with valid insurance.
So back to my original question, I think perhaps he should be reported but to whom? I don't know where he lives and all I know is I see him about 3-4 times a week along the same stretch of road on my commute to work.
You've clearly already made your mind up and you're just looking for people to be similarly Daily Mail style outraged like you are and agree with you so what is the point of this thread? Do you not have more important things going on in your life to be dealing with?For those who've got it wrong.
- My friend drives a car with Spanish plates in Spain where we live.
- A man driving a UK plated car in Spain had a minor collision with my friend.
- No major damage done but the man with the UK plated car was very cagey and very reluctant to give out details and insisted it was a cash repair.
- A quick check on the DVLA data shows his can has not had a valid MOT since November 2012 and is also SORN'd
Still with me?
Some facts now:
- You can insure a UK plated car in Spain.
- To do so it must not be SORN'd and it must have a valid UK MOT.
So, a little logic dictates since said man has neither of the above, it is impossible for him to have any valid form of insurance.
So as Corpulent Tosser mentioned, why shouldn't it be a concern to me that an uninsured driver is around and about in my area near schools, busy junctions, buses, taxi's, etc....if it were in the UK, people would be up in arms if I suddenly told you I was no longer driving my car with valid insurance.
So back to my original question, I think perhaps he should be reported but to whom? I don't know where he lives and all I know is I see him about 3-4 times a week along the same stretch of road on my commute to work.
All that jazz said:
You've clearly already made your mind up and you're just looking for people to be similarly Daily Mail style outraged like you are and agree with you so what is the point of this thread? Do you not have more important things going on in your life to be dealing with?
Do you really enjoy demonstrating to the world how stupid you are?beanbag said:
All that jazz said:
You've clearly already made your mind up and you're just looking for people to be similarly Daily Mail style outraged like you are and agree with you so what is the point of this thread? Do you not have more important things going on in your life to be dealing with?
Do you really enjoy demonstrating to the world how stupid you are?gizlaroc said:
beanbag said:
So back to my original question, I think perhaps he should be reported but to whom?
Well if you're the one living there and you don't know, I think you might not get an answer here. Is there not an ex pats website you can look on?
I've also never made a "denuncia" to the police in Spain before and there are three different types of police to choose from. Guardia Civil, National Police and Local Police, however from what I understand, there's no way to report somebody anonymously. You have to make a full "denuncia" (report), and spend hours in a police station doing that which quite frankly I can't be arsed to do. I was genuinely looking for some easy to do this.
beanbag said:
gizlaroc said:
beanbag said:
So back to my original question, I think perhaps he should be reported but to whom?
Well if you're the one living there and you don't know, I think you might not get an answer here. Is there not an ex pats website you can look on?
I've also never made a "denuncia" to the police in Spain before and there are three different types of police to choose from. Guardia Civil, National Police and Local Police, however from what I understand, there's no way to report somebody anonymously. You have to make a full "denuncia" (report), and spend hours in a police station doing that which quite frankly I can't be arsed to do. I was genuinely looking for some easy to do this.
beanbag said:
So as Corpulent Tosser mentioned, why shouldn't it be a concern to me that an uninsured driver is around and about in my area near schools, busy junctions, buses, taxi's, etc....if it were in the UK, people would be up in arms if I suddenly told you I was no longer driving my car with valid insurance.
What about this dangerous uninsured driver being around and about in your area near schools, busy junctions, buses, taxi's etc? Surely they need to be removed from the road instantly so why can you suddenly "not be arsed" making a report to the police about it? The issue is either important to you or it isn't. Of course we know the real reason: it's because you don't want any comeback from it and you're st scared of having your name on the report. What a pathetic little coward. beanbag said:
I thank you for reading my post.
For those who've got it wrong.
- My friend drives a car with Spanish plates in Spain where we live.
- A man driving a UK plated car in Spain had a minor collision with my friend.
- No major damage done but the man with the UK plated car was very cagey and very reluctant to give out details and insisted it was a cash repair.
- A quick check on the DVLA data shows his can has not had a valid MOT since November 2012 and is also SORN'd
Still with me?
Some facts now:
- You can insure a UK plated car in Spain.
- To do so it must not be SORN'd and it must have a valid UK MOT.
So, a little logic dictates since said man has neither of the above, it is impossible for him to have any valid form of insurance.
So as Corpulent Tosser mentioned, why shouldn't it be a concern to me that an uninsured driver is around and about in my area near schools, busy junctions, buses, taxi's, etc....if it were in the UK, people would be up in arms if I suddenly told you I was no longer driving my car with valid insurance.
So back to my original question, I think perhaps he should be reported but to whom? I don't know where he lives and all I know is I see him about 3-4 times a week along the same stretch of road on my commute to work.
Makes much better sense, thanks for the explanation For those who've got it wrong.
- My friend drives a car with Spanish plates in Spain where we live.
- A man driving a UK plated car in Spain had a minor collision with my friend.
- No major damage done but the man with the UK plated car was very cagey and very reluctant to give out details and insisted it was a cash repair.
- A quick check on the DVLA data shows his can has not had a valid MOT since November 2012 and is also SORN'd
Still with me?
Some facts now:
- You can insure a UK plated car in Spain.
- To do so it must not be SORN'd and it must have a valid UK MOT.
So, a little logic dictates since said man has neither of the above, it is impossible for him to have any valid form of insurance.
So as Corpulent Tosser mentioned, why shouldn't it be a concern to me that an uninsured driver is around and about in my area near schools, busy junctions, buses, taxi's, etc....if it were in the UK, people would be up in arms if I suddenly told you I was no longer driving my car with valid insurance.
So back to my original question, I think perhaps he should be reported but to whom? I don't know where he lives and all I know is I see him about 3-4 times a week along the same stretch of road on my commute to work.
I still wouldn't bother, whether in the UK or in Spain. There may be other reasons why the guy doesn't want to claim off his insurance, other than not being insured. With the greatest of respect, leave the Police to do the Police stuff, your responsibility is just to make sure your own house is in order.
beanbag said:
Some facts now:
- You can insure a UK plated car in Spain.
- To do so it must not be SORN'd and it must have a valid UK MOT.
Is that correct ?- You can insure a UK plated car in Spain.
- To do so it must not be SORN'd and it must have a valid UK MOT.
Take Abbeygate, for instance:
FAQ said:
Spanish Law is little different to the road traffic laws in other countries throughout member states of the European Union – all vehicles using the roads must be insured for third party liability risks. All Abbeygate Motor policies fully comply with the Regulations of all EU territories.
EU Regulations stipulate that vehicles must be insured by an Insurer licensed to operate in their country of registration. Abbeygate has products that are able to insure both UK and Spanish registered vehicles owned by expatriates in Spain. The Underwriters are allowed under the EU "Freedom of Services" Directive to cross border service from the UK and Gibraltar and thus can legally insure UK registered cars driven in Spain. The underwriters are "established" in Spain through the Spanish Regulatory Authority – the DGS – and therefore can also insure Spanish registered vehicles owned by expatriates living in Spain.
At Abbeygate our Insurers do not insist on an MOT. It is now becoming common in Spain for UK vehicles to be tested at the local ITV (MOT equivalent) centre. But remember the ITV certificate will only be valid in Spain, so if you travel back to the UK and don’t have a valid MOT certificate it could lead to problems with the Police there. One of the policy conditions stipulates that your vehicle must be kept well maintained and in a roadworthy condition at all times. Any breach of this could invalidate cover.
EU Regulations stipulate that vehicles must be insured by an Insurer licensed to operate in their country of registration. Abbeygate has products that are able to insure both UK and Spanish registered vehicles owned by expatriates in Spain. The Underwriters are allowed under the EU "Freedom of Services" Directive to cross border service from the UK and Gibraltar and thus can legally insure UK registered cars driven in Spain. The underwriters are "established" in Spain through the Spanish Regulatory Authority – the DGS – and therefore can also insure Spanish registered vehicles owned by expatriates living in Spain.
At Abbeygate our Insurers do not insist on an MOT. It is now becoming common in Spain for UK vehicles to be tested at the local ITV (MOT equivalent) centre. But remember the ITV certificate will only be valid in Spain, so if you travel back to the UK and don’t have a valid MOT certificate it could lead to problems with the Police there. One of the policy conditions stipulates that your vehicle must be kept well maintained and in a roadworthy condition at all times. Any breach of this could invalidate cover.
beanbag said:
I've also never made a "denuncia" to the police in Spain before and there are three different types of police to choose from. Guardia Civil, National Police and Local Police, however from what I understand, there's no way to report somebody anonymously. You have to make a full "denuncia" (report), and spend hours in a police station doing that which quite frankly I can't be arsed to do. I was genuinely looking for some easy to do this.
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