Seat 'lane assist' ad -are driving standards now THAT bad..?
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AlexIT said:
Another positive effect is that it forces you to use your direction indicators to overtake as otherwise you will have to struggle to cross the line.
Seriously?!I don't think I've ever driven a car with lane departure assist. I've wondered how the system distinguishes between inadvertent and deliberate attempts to cross the white line and I've always assumed it must be something like the rate of lateral movement. I can imagine that someone unintentionally drifting across might tend to be moving a fair amount slower than someone intending to move across, so I've wondered whether the system looks at the rate of closure on the white line and activates only when the rate is below below a certain threshold. That's only me guessing though, but the idea that the system would intervene on the basis that the indicator isn't on seems shocking. Leaving aside the question of whether or not I want to be indicating as I cross the line on any particular occasion, what would the implication be in the case of an emergency lane change, or if I clumsily knock the indicator off (not sure how often that happens, but I bet it's a bit more often than 'never in the entire history of the universe').
I also wonder whether the system knows what type of road I'm on. Warning or even intervention when cruising along a motorway or dual carriageway - i.e. roads where I probably care about lane keeping - is one thing, but you wouldn't want it driving in built up areas, or single carriageways in general. The purpose of crossing the white line there is very different to changing lanes on a motorway (and very often not accompanied by a signal).
Blue Oval84 said:
I predict that this thread is going to be overwhelmed with PH'ers who have never, ever-
a) Made a mistake or-
b) Got drowsy at the wheel
Certainly never claimed to never make a mistake, but the day I can't easily cope with something as straightforward as keeping my car in a motorway lane unassisted is the day I give up driving.a) Made a mistake or-
b) Got drowsy at the wheel
As to getting drowsy behind the wheel, are you suggesting that this is a positive thing because it allows someone so sleepy that they can't maintain a single lane to keep going 'safely'?
FFS - Google self driving cars really cannot come quickly enough.
stupid unnecessary feature that promotes lazy and potentially dangerous driving - feeling tired? no bother, the car will soon tell you if you nod off.
When reading some reviews on mrs Morgrp's new wheels the road testers marked it down for not coming with lane assist as standard, really? Lets just say it wasn't a deal breaker for buying the car
When reading some reviews on mrs Morgrp's new wheels the road testers marked it down for not coming with lane assist as standard, really? Lets just say it wasn't a deal breaker for buying the car
I have driven a Leon with this very feature, it is extremely clever how it works and it does indeed steer you out of thie mistake; it works if you drift out of your lane and aren't indicting, much the same as audible lane departure warnings which bleep or bong if you drift out of your lane, they both monitor the white lines.
I freaked the wife out when we were on the A3 doing about 60 odd, I removed my hands from the wheel; I released my grip and hovered them over the area of the wheel where they were holding, when I approached a very gentle bend and the car literally steered round it as I started to drift over the line, it is very odd.
Like many things though that seem to be standard, or at least options on cars; self parking, hill hold, radar cruise control, lane departure etc, they are all things that make the driver more complacent.
I freaked the wife out when we were on the A3 doing about 60 odd, I removed my hands from the wheel; I released my grip and hovered them over the area of the wheel where they were holding, when I approached a very gentle bend and the car literally steered round it as I started to drift over the line, it is very odd.
Like many things though that seem to be standard, or at least options on cars; self parking, hill hold, radar cruise control, lane departure etc, they are all things that make the driver more complacent.
Two times (in the history of the universe ever) I wish this had been present, once in someone else's car and once in mine.
Driving along Jalan Jenderal Sudirman in Jakarta, lane 1 at about 60 km/h and the car in lane two just drifted into my offside quarter. No damage but also no way to stop and 'discuss'.
Secondly, when I fell asleep and consequently over-reacted when I hit the rumble strip and did a few pirouettes along the M3 before flipping the car over.
Second one was my fault entirely
Driving along Jalan Jenderal Sudirman in Jakarta, lane 1 at about 60 km/h and the car in lane two just drifted into my offside quarter. No damage but also no way to stop and 'discuss'.
Secondly, when I fell asleep and consequently over-reacted when I hit the rumble strip and did a few pirouettes along the M3 before flipping the car over.
Second one was my fault entirely
I'm not a great fan of the piece of technology, as its just yet another bit of kit that's dumbing down the act of driving. What gets me the most though is the way the advert trivialises into humour the fact that "dad" wasn't paying attention to the road.
"That's ma' boy!" the child gleefully chides, after daddy was corrected by the Lane Assist for not paying attention, and how they both giggle at the incident and continue their journey. Daddy was clearly uploading pictures of son's swimming competition to Facebook whilst on a sliproad, instead of concentrating on the act of driving his child safely home.
"That's ma' boy!" the child gleefully chides, after daddy was corrected by the Lane Assist for not paying attention, and how they both giggle at the incident and continue their journey. Daddy was clearly uploading pictures of son's swimming competition to Facebook whilst on a sliproad, instead of concentrating on the act of driving his child safely home.
Cfnteabag said:
So it appear lane assist is really useful if you like to sleep while driving so you can maintain a course at 70mph until you hit the back of the stationary traffic at 70 mph because you haven't been able to brake because you are asleep or updating Facebook
Lane assist, adaptive cruise control, job's a carrot. Hop on the M6 at Carlisle, settle in to the middle lane, should get to London with no further driver input. Probably there are many MLM's doing this every day...(I would never buy a car with this as standard if it couldn't be switched off)
Cfnteabag said:
I believe that Volvo did everything right with that demo, except switch the system on... 
Ari said:
Certainly never claimed to never make a mistake, but the day I can't easily cope with something as straightforward as keeping my car in a motorway lane unassisted is the day I give up driving.
As to getting drowsy behind the wheel, are you suggesting that this is a positive thing because it allows someone so sleepy that they can't maintain a single lane to keep going 'safely'?
FFS - Google self driving cars really cannot come quickly enough.
I'm not suggesting that people should say "hey, I'll drive whilst exhausted because the car will keep me right".As to getting drowsy behind the wheel, are you suggesting that this is a positive thing because it allows someone so sleepy that they can't maintain a single lane to keep going 'safely'?
FFS - Google self driving cars really cannot come quickly enough.
I'm saying that having the system may well be the difference between life and death if someone makes a mistake and does nod off, which does happen, because cars are driven by humans. If the system kicks in I would hope they would take it as a sign that it's clearly time to pull in and have a break.
As I say, I've found myself on the rumble strip before and this would have prevented that, but big congratulations to anyone on this thread who claims to have never made a mistake
Cfnteabag said:
So it appear lane assist is really useful if you like to sleep while driving so you can maintain a course at 70mph until you hit the back of the stationary traffic at 70 mph because you haven't been able to brake because you are asleep or updating Facebook
Those clever engineers invented front assist for that already!In the future films which show cars being sabotaged before a clifftop drive by having their brake pipe cut will show the fuse being pulled for lane and front assist before they head off down the M4
Blue Oval84 said:
I'm saying that having the system may well be the difference between life and death if someone makes a mistake and does nod off, which does happen, because cars are driven by humans. If the system kicks in I would hope they would take it as a sign that it's clearly time to pull in and have a break.
Agreed with the first sentence. I think the worry some have with the second is that the system may become less of a wake up call over time as the driver gets used to it and the other aspects of concentration like spotting an approaching hazard can't be catered for by such systems. So drivers feel they can drive further whilst drowsy.Cfnteabag said:
So it appear lane assist is really useful if you like to sleep while driving so you can maintain a course at 70mph until you hit the back of the stationary traffic at 70 mph because you haven't been able to brake because you are asleep or updating Facebook
Don't forget also collision-prevention braking or what ever its called, so in theory, will also stop you in a safe manner at stationery traffic i also think the problem is the car manufacturers are running out of new things to fit to cars to appeal to new buyers.
That combined with very strict advertising rules that cant show speed, power, performance, etc.
Take the recent Pug 208 advert I think it was. "the steering wheel is smaller and the speedo is bigger so that you can keep your eyes on the road more"
what a load of b
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That combined with very strict advertising rules that cant show speed, power, performance, etc.
Take the recent Pug 208 advert I think it was. "the steering wheel is smaller and the speedo is bigger so that you can keep your eyes on the road more"
what a load of b
ksBlue Oval84 said:
I'm not suggesting that people should say "hey, I'll drive whilst exhausted because the car will keep me right".
I'm saying that having the system may well be the difference between life and death if someone makes a mistake and does nod off, which does happen, because cars are driven by humans. If the system kicks in I would hope they would take it as a sign that it's clearly time to pull in and have a break.
As I say, I've found myself on the rumble strip before and this would have prevented that, but big congratulations to anyone on this thread who claims to have never made a mistake
That's a fair comment, but do you think that's how it will be used?I'm saying that having the system may well be the difference between life and death if someone makes a mistake and does nod off, which does happen, because cars are driven by humans. If the system kicks in I would hope they would take it as a sign that it's clearly time to pull in and have a break.
As I say, I've found myself on the rumble strip before and this would have prevented that, but big congratulations to anyone on this thread who claims to have never made a mistake
Put it this way. It's being seen as a huge selling benefit (as mentioned, Seat have devoted an entire TV ad to it). So all those people thinking 'that'd be a great thing to have', is it because they perceive there to be a good chance of falling asleep at the wheel (bearing in mind the majority think bad things won't happen to them, hence having to make it law for people to wear seatbelts). Or is it something else?
I'd say it's something else, that being the ability to let the car 'drive' for them so they don't have to pay as much attention to the tiresome task of watching what they're doing.
And at 70+mph driving far too close to the car in front (as the average idiot does) that strikes me as a recipe for disaster.
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