Seriously Overpriced Cars
Discussion
uncleluck said:
Thing with modern cars is they have zero substance.
The cosworth, you pop the bonnet and get actual metal parts! That cosworth can cover, plenum, turbo on display.
Modern ltd editions are nothing more than badges, fake vents and plastic engine covers with badges to tell you what they are. Pull the cover off a new FRS and ask people what it is... open a cosworth bonnet and even my GF knows it’s a cosworth.
Anyone speculating with modern RS fords must be barmy. When people wake up to the fact modern cars have no real substance to back up the badge they’ll be as worthless as the base model they look like when you remove the plastic engine cover.
This is happening everywhere now, same thing with watches IMO too. Brands making things look like the old models and charging crazy amounts yet those of us with the old models just see a cheap, nasty version without the detail that makes them so great. Some just see the badge.
People would have been saying the same thing about Cosworths 30 years ago when comparing to performance Fords of the 60’s.The cosworth, you pop the bonnet and get actual metal parts! That cosworth can cover, plenum, turbo on display.
Modern ltd editions are nothing more than badges, fake vents and plastic engine covers with badges to tell you what they are. Pull the cover off a new FRS and ask people what it is... open a cosworth bonnet and even my GF knows it’s a cosworth.
Anyone speculating with modern RS fords must be barmy. When people wake up to the fact modern cars have no real substance to back up the badge they’ll be as worthless as the base model they look like when you remove the plastic engine cover.
This is happening everywhere now, same thing with watches IMO too. Brands making things look like the old models and charging crazy amounts yet those of us with the old models just see a cheap, nasty version without the detail that makes them so great. Some just see the badge.
Fun Bus said:
uncleluck said:
Thing with modern cars is they have zero substance.
The cosworth, you pop the bonnet and get actual metal parts! That cosworth can cover, plenum, turbo on display.
Modern ltd editions are nothing more than badges, fake vents and plastic engine covers with badges to tell you what they are. Pull the cover off a new FRS and ask people what it is... open a cosworth bonnet and even my GF knows it’s a cosworth.
Anyone speculating with modern RS fords must be barmy. When people wake up to the fact modern cars have no real substance to back up the badge they’ll be as worthless as the base model they look like when you remove the plastic engine cover.
This is happening everywhere now, same thing with watches IMO too. Brands making things look like the old models and charging crazy amounts yet those of us with the old models just see a cheap, nasty version without the detail that makes them so great. Some just see the badge.
People would have been saying the same thing about Cosworths 30 years ago when comparing to performance Fords of the 60’s.The cosworth, you pop the bonnet and get actual metal parts! That cosworth can cover, plenum, turbo on display.
Modern ltd editions are nothing more than badges, fake vents and plastic engine covers with badges to tell you what they are. Pull the cover off a new FRS and ask people what it is... open a cosworth bonnet and even my GF knows it’s a cosworth.
Anyone speculating with modern RS fords must be barmy. When people wake up to the fact modern cars have no real substance to back up the badge they’ll be as worthless as the base model they look like when you remove the plastic engine cover.
This is happening everywhere now, same thing with watches IMO too. Brands making things look like the old models and charging crazy amounts yet those of us with the old models just see a cheap, nasty version without the detail that makes them so great. Some just see the badge.
Fun Bus said:
uncleluck said:
Thing with modern cars is they have zero substance.
The cosworth, you pop the bonnet and get actual metal parts! That cosworth can cover, plenum, turbo on display.
Modern ltd editions are nothing more than badges, fake vents and plastic engine covers with badges to tell you what they are. Pull the cover off a new FRS and ask people what it is... open a cosworth bonnet and even my GF knows it’s a cosworth.
Anyone speculating with modern RS fords must be barmy. When people wake up to the fact modern cars have no real substance to back up the badge they’ll be as worthless as the base model they look like when you remove the plastic engine cover.
This is happening everywhere now, same thing with watches IMO too. Brands making things look like the old models and charging crazy amounts yet those of us with the old models just see a cheap, nasty version without the detail that makes them so great. Some just see the badge.
People would have been saying the same thing about Cosworths 30 years ago when comparing to performance Fords of the 60’s.The cosworth, you pop the bonnet and get actual metal parts! That cosworth can cover, plenum, turbo on display.
Modern ltd editions are nothing more than badges, fake vents and plastic engine covers with badges to tell you what they are. Pull the cover off a new FRS and ask people what it is... open a cosworth bonnet and even my GF knows it’s a cosworth.
Anyone speculating with modern RS fords must be barmy. When people wake up to the fact modern cars have no real substance to back up the badge they’ll be as worthless as the base model they look like when you remove the plastic engine cover.
This is happening everywhere now, same thing with watches IMO too. Brands making things look like the old models and charging crazy amounts yet those of us with the old models just see a cheap, nasty version without the detail that makes them so great. Some just see the badge.
Christ £12k for something that would usually sell for half that. Amazing what some wet look tyre spray does to a valuation
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEAT-Leon-20V-CUPRA-R/1...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEAT-Leon-20V-CUPRA-R/1...
aaron_2000 said:
Christ £12k for something that would usually sell for half that. Amazing what some wet look tyre spray does to a valuation
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEAT-Leon-20V-CUPRA-R/1...
Someone else posted it just a few posts ago. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEAT-Leon-20V-CUPRA-R/1...
Driver101 said:
aaron_2000 said:
Christ £12k for something that would usually sell for half that. Amazing what some wet look tyre spray does to a valuation
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEAT-Leon-20V-CUPRA-R/1...
Someone else posted it just a few posts ago. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEAT-Leon-20V-CUPRA-R/1...
Fun Bus said:
It was launched in 1986. How can any sort of comparison be made to the Ford RS’ of today?
People are doing exactly that by speculating a huge value because of a Cosworth or other RS.£80k for a ‘rare’ orange Ford Focus with plastic and fakery just because it has an RS badge.
uncleluck said:
People are doing exactly that by speculating a huge value because of a Cosworth or other RS.
£80k for a ‘rare’ orange Ford Focus with plastic and fakery just because it has an RS badge.
Not saying it's worth £80k today but factually it is rare as they only made 50. Plus it does have Mountune upgrades which are genuine performance upgrades.£80k for a ‘rare’ orange Ford Focus with plastic and fakery just because it has an RS badge.
It didn't actually cost much more than a normal RS but you had to be very friendly with Ford to get one - wasn't it one per UK dealer or something?
Am I missing something here, yeah its an Anniversary model but surely its £10k max?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202009224...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202009224...
ro250 said:
Not saying it's worth £80k today but factually it is rare as they only made 50. Plus it does have Mountune upgrades which are genuine performance upgrades.
It didn't actually cost much more than a normal RS but you had to be very friendly with Ford to get one - wasn't it one per UK dealer or something?
But don’t you find it all a bit contrived? It didn't actually cost much more than a normal RS but you had to be very friendly with Ford to get one - wasn't it one per UK dealer or something?
Classic cars of value have got there from going through a process. They’re sought after, drop like a stone, nearly all get written off/stolen etc then nostalgia hits people and the price goes up. They’re rare because they’re survivors and have some substance to them and can be repaired probably for decades to come.
A new focus is given a label as rare by painting it orange it wears an RS badge gets a huge price and it’s an investment. I just don’t see how people fall for it.
It’s just like Rolex. An old submariner survivor has made the demand for new what they are and this false idea the new ones will be a good investment when in reality it’ll all fall apart when people realise there’s 20 million mint in box Rolexes as investments as opposed to the odd old school one that’s still got its box n papers!
uncleluck said:
ro250 said:
Not saying it's worth £80k today but factually it is rare as they only made 50. Plus it does have Mountune upgrades which are genuine performance upgrades.
It didn't actually cost much more than a normal RS but you had to be very friendly with Ford to get one - wasn't it one per UK dealer or something?
But don’t you find it all a bit contrived? It didn't actually cost much more than a normal RS but you had to be very friendly with Ford to get one - wasn't it one per UK dealer or something?
Classic cars of value have got there from going through a process. They’re sought after, drop like a stone, nearly all get written off/stolen etc then nostalgia hits people and the price goes up. They’re rare because they’re survivors and have some substance to them and can be repaired probably for decades to come.
A new focus is given a label as rare by painting it orange it wears an RS badge gets a huge price and it’s an investment. I just don’t see how people fall for it.
It’s just like Rolex. An old submariner survivor has made the demand for new what they are and this false idea the new ones will be a good investment when in reality it’ll all fall apart when people realise there’s 20 million mint in box Rolexes as investments as opposed to the odd old school one that’s still got its box n papers!
Maybe Ford thought that's what people wanted but the MK3 never really got the love they expected.
I really like this, but not at nine grand for one shiny picture and a couple from a car meet!
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202009023...
Find another, I guess!
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202009023...
Find another, I guess!
LetsTryAgain said:
Fun Bus said:
Despite the Focus having been a rally car for 21 years?
Blue oval fans blind love for some of their cars is beyond me.I’ve driven a Sierra Cosworth and owned a S1 Escort RS Turbo and they were both absolutely s
te.I’d imagine an EsCos would be a nicer thing to drive, but the Mk3 Escorts are genuinely dreadful.
How anyone in their right mind could stump up £15/20/25k for one will always be beyond me.
I recall how much time and effort I spent keeping them immaculate, couldn't drive it in the rain due to how easily they rusted, and how I still had my fingers crossed every time it went for an MOT. I can understand why a GT40 is valuable, it is like a work of art/history, it can hold its own in a museum. I cannot understand why people would pay that unless they are counting on the price going up significantly, that is bubble thinking and will only end up one way, and that is a conversation with a police officer, where they ask "is there is anyone who would want to burndown the garage with both your classics in it? and hasn't the value on theses fallen significantly as the classic car bubble bursts?
Edited by GrizzlyBear on Saturday 24th October 17:05
From the same seller as the AMG, this is marked as 'sold'. £300,000? Really? For a Subaru?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Subaru-Impreza-22B-Coll...
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Subaru-Impreza-22B-Coll...
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Bowlers said:
If it was 2003 and that was an ex demo I still wouldn't pay £9k for it.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff