Seriously Overpriced Cars

[robinessex]

aaron_2000 said:

Not overpriced, but I didn't really know where else to post it. Look at the state of the front end, probably a crashed ex rental

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

The ad claims it's free of any accidents

[aaron_2000]

robinessex said:

aaron_2000 said:

Not overpriced, but I didn't really know where else to post it. Look at the state of the front end, probably a crashed ex rental

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

The ad claims it's free of any accidents

Where does it say that? It's pretty clearly had a hit on the front end. I'd be willing to bet it's an ex rental at those miles which means they'd be more inclined to fix it than write it off. Doesn't take much to tell that the front end is all over the place.

[anonymous-user]

Outstanding finance on it according to Autotrader.

[anonymous-user]

Fun Bus said:

Unmolested, low mileage, excellent examples of Anniversary GTIs are worth good money - not close to £19.5k but good money.

You have to wonder why - even if they are 'limited edition' - as they're by far the worst Golf GTI ever made. Who's buying them now?

[Deerfoot]

Octan said:

You have to wonder why - even if they are 'limited edition' - as they're by far the worst Golf GTI ever made.

Mk3 gets that honour surely?

[anonymous-user]

Deerfoot said:

Octan said:

You have to wonder why - even if they are 'limited edition' - as they're by far the worst Golf GTI ever made.

Mk3 gets that honour surely?

No, I would say the Mk4 Golf is. And Ive owned one, so qualified to say. Mk3 is second though.

Perhaps the older mk4 are the worst with the NA 1.8 20v 120bhp and NA 2.0 115bhp, rather than the 1.8 T 150/180, but the handling is a joke on all - it's like a boat, all squidgy dead and dull. Comical body roll.

[Fast Bug]

mstrbkr said:

Outstanding finance on it according to Autotrader.

The dealer will have it on a stocking plan

[anonymous-user]

Fast Bug said:

The dealer will have it on a stocking plan

Ah, autotrader need to come up with a way to fix that, ideally.

[robinessex]

aaron_2000 said:

robinessex said:

aaron_2000 said:

Not overpriced, but I didn't really know where else to post it. Look at the state of the front end, probably a crashed ex rental

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

The ad claims it's free of any accidents

Where does it say that? It's pretty clearly had a hit on the front end. I'd be willing to bet it's an ex rental at those miles which means they'd be more inclined to fix it than write it off. Doesn't take much to tell that the front end is all over the place.

From the Autotrader ad:-

Vehicle history check

We’ve checked this vehicle’s history so you can buy with confidence. We’ll never advertise a vehicle that’s stolen, scrapped, or recorded as Cat A or B.

Should really say C & D, as A & B are total loss, and can only be scrapped, or for some spares.

There's outstanding finance

[Driver101]

robinessex said:

aaron_2000 said:

robinessex said:

aaron_2000 said:

Not overpriced, but I didn't really know where else to post it. Look at the state of the front end, probably a crashed ex rental

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

The ad claims it's free of any accidents

Where does it say that? It's pretty clearly had a hit on the front end. I'd be willing to bet it's an ex rental at those miles which means they'd be more inclined to fix it than write it off. Doesn't take much to tell that the front end is all over the place.

From the Autotrader ad:-

Vehicle history check

We’ve checked this vehicle’s history so you can buy with confidence. We’ll never advertise a vehicle that’s stolen, scrapped, or recorded as Cat A or B.

Should really say C & D, as A & B are total loss, and can only be scrapped, or for some spares.

There's outstanding finance

It's only if the car is a total loss it'll appear registered as a Cat C/D or N/S.

Loads of cars have been damaged repaired and won't have it recorded anywhere.

[anonymous-user]

Think about it... Just because it's not been written off it doesn't mean it hasn't been in an accident.

Edit: Beaten to it. I was replying to aaron_2000.

[robinessex]

Driver101 said:

robinessex said:

aaron_2000 said:

robinessex said:

aaron_2000 said:

Not overpriced, but I didn't really know where else to post it. Look at the state of the front end, probably a crashed ex rental

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

The ad claims it's free of any accidents

Where does it say that? It's pretty clearly had a hit on the front end. I'd be willing to bet it's an ex rental at those miles which means they'd be more inclined to fix it than write it off. Doesn't take much to tell that the front end is all over the place.

From the Autotrader ad:-

Vehicle history check

We’ve checked this vehicle’s history so you can buy with confidence. We’ll never advertise a vehicle that’s stolen, scrapped, or recorded as Cat A or B.

Should really say C & D, as A & B are total loss, and can only be scrapped, or for some spares.

There's outstanding finance

It's only if the car is a total loss it'll appear registered as a Cat C/D or N/S.

Loads of cars have been damaged repaired and won't have it recorded anywhere.

For the past decade, write-offs have been grouped into four categories: A, B, C and D.

These were graded in order of severity, with Category A for irreparable damage and Category D for vehicles that could – potentially – be returned to the road.

The new system substitutes C and D for the new categories of S and N, ranking write-offs as follows:

A - Scrap only

B - Break for parts

S - Structurally damaged but repairable

N - Not structurally damaged, repairable

If a car is written off, it becomes the property of the insurance company. I was under the impression that they only deal with reputable salvage companies so that cats A & B never get back on the road. The loss category for S & N says with the cars Vin No

See:-

https://www.copart.co.uk All the vehicles here have their loss category logged

Edited by robinessex on Wednesday 6th November 19:49

[Driver101]

robinessex said:

Driver101 said:

robinessex said:

aaron_2000 said:

robinessex said:

aaron_2000 said:

Not overpriced, but I didn't really know where else to post it. Look at the state of the front end, probably a crashed ex rental

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

The ad claims it's free of any accidents

Where does it say that? It's pretty clearly had a hit on the front end. I'd be willing to bet it's an ex rental at those miles which means they'd be more inclined to fix it than write it off. Doesn't take much to tell that the front end is all over the place.

From the Autotrader ad:-

Vehicle history check

We’ve checked this vehicle’s history so you can buy with confidence. We’ll never advertise a vehicle that’s stolen, scrapped, or recorded as Cat A or B.

Should really say C & D, as A & B are total loss, and can only be scrapped, or for some spares.

There's outstanding finance

It's only if the car is a total loss it'll appear registered as a Cat C/D or N/S.

Loads of cars have been damaged repaired and won't have it recorded anywhere.

For the past decade, write-offs have been grouped into four categories: A, B, C and D.

These were graded in order of severity, with Category A for irreparable damage and Category D for vehicles that could – potentially – be returned to the road.

The new system substitutes C and D for the new categories of S and N, ranking write-offs as follows:

A - Scrap only

B - Break for parts

S - Structurally damaged but repairable

N - Not structurally damaged, repairable

If a car is written off, it becomes the property of the insurance company. I was under the impression that they only deal with reputable salvage companies so that cats A & B never get back on the road. The loss category for S & N says with the cars Vin No

See:-

https://www.copart.co.uk All the vehicles here have their loss category logged

Edited by robinessex on Wednesday 6th November 19:49

Autotrader won't advertise Cat A or B cars.

They will advertise C and D or the newer system of N and S.

Not being classed as C/D or N/S doesn't mean a car hasn't been crashed.

That Lambo might have had quite a good front crash, but if it only cost £20k to fix the insurance company would pay for it to be fixed and it won't be recorded as any grade of Cat car.

[robinessex]

Driver101 said:

robinessex said:

Driver101 said:

robinessex said:

aaron_2000 said:

robinessex said:

aaron_2000 said:

Not overpriced, but I didn't really know where else to post it. Look at the state of the front end, probably a crashed ex rental

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

The ad claims it's free of any accidents

Where does it say that? It's pretty clearly had a hit on the front end. I'd be willing to bet it's an ex rental at those miles which means they'd be more inclined to fix it than write it off. Doesn't take much to tell that the front end is all over the place.

From the Autotrader ad:-

Vehicle history check

We’ve checked this vehicle’s history so you can buy with confidence. We’ll never advertise a vehicle that’s stolen, scrapped, or recorded as Cat A or B.

Should really say C & D, as A & B are total loss, and can only be scrapped, or for some spares.

There's outstanding finance

It's only if the car is a total loss it'll appear registered as a Cat C/D or N/S.

Loads of cars have been damaged repaired and won't have it recorded anywhere.

For the past decade, write-offs have been grouped into four categories: A, B, C and D.

These were graded in order of severity, with Category A for irreparable damage and Category D for vehicles that could – potentially – be returned to the road.

The new system substitutes C and D for the new categories of S and N, ranking write-offs as follows:

A - Scrap only

B - Break for parts

S - Structurally damaged but repairable

N - Not structurally damaged, repairable

If a car is written off, it becomes the property of the insurance company. I was under the impression that they only deal with reputable salvage companies so that cats A & B never get back on the road. The loss category for S & N says with the cars Vin No

See:-

https://www.copart.co.uk All the vehicles here have their loss category logged

Edited by robinessex on Wednesday 6th November 19:49

Autotrader won't advertise Cat A or B cars.

They will advertise C and D or the newer system of N and S.

Not being classed as C/D or N/S doesn't mean a car hasn't been crashed.

That Lambo might have had quite a good front crash, but if it only cost £20k to fix the insurance company would pay for it to be fixed and it won't be recorded as any grade of Cat car.

According to the RAC, a cars damage history stays with the vehicle:-

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/buying-and-sell...

[anonymous-user]

robinessex said:

According to the RAC, a cars damage history stays with the vehicle:-

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/buying-and-sell...

Yes, but only if it's been written off and is given a category. Accident damage that doesn't result in a the vehicle being written off is categorically NOT recorded.

[robinessex]

mstrbkr said:

robinessex said:

According to the RAC, a cars damage history stays with the vehicle:-

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/buying-and-sell...

Yes, but only if it's been written off and is given a category. Accident damage that doesn't result in a the vehicle being written off is categorically NOT recorded.

These people say it does:-

https://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/used-cars/621/what-...

And these

https://www.theaa.com/car-insurance/advice/damage-...

"Can I check if a second-hand car has ever been damaged to a Cat C or Cat D (S and N) level?

Yes, you can, and it's always good to be aware of all the facts about a vehicle before buying. Professional car vendors and traders must state whether a car has been previously written-off. However, not all private sellers will tell you."

The only way around it I can see, is if you have damage, don't report it, get it fixed privately yourself. Once an Insurance company is involved, it's marked for life.

Edited by robinessex on Thursday 7th November 08:22

[anonymous-user]

Are you trolling?

A car is not "marked for life" unless it is given a category/written off. As I've said before. It's right there in the material you are quoting! You don't understand I'm afraid.

Example: one of my old cars was rear ended. Car was worth £4000 and it was repaired costing £1000 by the other party's insurance company. It was not written off and was therefore not given a category. So there is no record of it just as there is no record of that Lamborghini having a front ender.

[Zippee]

robinessex said:

mstrbkr said:

robinessex said:

According to the RAC, a cars damage history stays with the vehicle:-

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/buying-and-sell...

Yes, but only if it's been written off and is given a category. Accident damage that doesn't result in a the vehicle being written off is categorically NOT recorded.

These people say it does:-

https://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/used-cars/621/what-...

And these

https://www.theaa.com/car-insurance/advice/damage-...

"Can I check if a second-hand car has ever been damaged to a Cat C or Cat D (S and N) level?

Yes, you can, and it's always good to be aware of all the facts about a vehicle before buying. Professional car vendors and traders must state whether a car has been previously written-off. However, not all private sellers will tell you."

The only way around it I can see, is if you have damage, don't report it, get it fixed privately yourself. Once an Insurance company is involved, it's marked for life.

Edited by robinessex on Thursday 7th November 08:22

Yes, but what you aren't getting is that if a car had been repaired then it won't be a cat s,n,c or d. It's just repaired and NOT recorded.
The cat markers are for written off only, ie/ insurance pays out in full to the owner and the car goes to salvage.

[robinessex]

Zippee said:

robinessex said:

mstrbkr said:

robinessex said:

According to the RAC, a cars damage history stays with the vehicle:-

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/buying-and-sell...

Yes, but only if it's been written off and is given a category. Accident damage that doesn't result in a the vehicle being written off is categorically NOT recorded.

These people say it does:-

https://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/used-cars/621/what-...

And these

https://www.theaa.com/car-insurance/advice/damage-...

"Can I check if a second-hand car has ever been damaged to a Cat C or Cat D (S and N) level?

Yes, you can, and it's always good to be aware of all the facts about a vehicle before buying. Professional car vendors and traders must state whether a car has been previously written-off. However, not all private sellers will tell you."

The only way around it I can see, is if you have damage, don't report it, get it fixed privately yourself. Once an Insurance company is involved, it's marked for life.

Edited by robinessex on Thursday 7th November 08:22

Yes, but what you aren't getting is that if a car had been repaired then it won't be a cat s,n,c or d. It's just repaired and NOT recorded.
The cat markers are for written off only, ie/ insurance pays out in full to the owner and the car goes to salvage.

Only if the damage IS NOT REPORTED TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY. If the damage is S or N, and it gets repaired via the insurance company, believe me, the insurance company WILL record it. They did on a past car of mine. (Bumped up the bum on the M4. New rear bumper, and few brackets, plus a 1 tail light). I sold it via eBay for spares and repairs when it had to go, but the guy who bought sure knew about the rear end bump.

[anonymous-user]

robinessex said:

Only if the damage IS NOT REPORTED TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY. If the damage is S or N, and it gets repaired via the insurance company, believe me, the insurance company WILL record it. They did on a past car of mine. (Bumped up the bum on the M4. New rear bumper, and few brackets, plus a 1 tail light). I sold it via eBay for spares and repairs when it had to go, but the guy who bought sure knew about the rear end bump.

NO!

Even when the damage is reported to the insurance company and everything done exactly by the book, IT WILL NOT BE RECORDED IF ITS NOT A WRITE OFF.

In your case your car WAS written off.

Edit: Yes the insurance company will record it, but as buyers in the general public we cannot see if a car has had accident damage repaired if that damage did not write off the car.

Edited by mstrbkr on Thursday 7th November 08:53