Seriously Overpriced Cars

[ambuletz]

they were well within shed money for the past 10-15 years.

[Tyre Smoke]

I was working in a Ford dealership when they were announced. The pictures came out, glossy posters, etc.

I remember the car sales manager contacting Ford and saying yep, that ugly thing has had the desired effect. We've sold all our Granadas and all those in production. Can we see the real Granada replacement now?

[Thankyou4calling]

That looks blooming comfortable

[Fastpedeller]

The Scorpio is a nice car for an occupant- you can't see the outside when you're on the inside
I saw early versions of it when I worked at Ford - it looked really good with e-type style headlights, but each new styling feature seemed to get worse until it became err what it became.

[anonymous-user]

stickleback123 said:

A family friend had one. Used to go endlessly on about how it had the same chassis as an MX5

The way people call the monocoque/body structure of a car a "chassis", really really frustrates me. I feel like even car enthusiasts on this very forum don't have a clue what they're talking about. Maybe the two Mazdas do share a few smaller suspension parts, but I doubt the family friend meant that.

It's like the people that say Morgans have wooden chassis when they absolutely do not. They have a metal chassis and a wooden body frame.

[zedx19]

mstrbkr said:

The way people call the monocoque/body structure of a car a "chassis", really really frustrates me. I feel like even car enthusiasts on this very forum don't have a clue what they're talking about. Maybe the two Mazdas do share a few smaller suspension parts, but I doubt the family friend meant that.

It's like the people that say Morgans have wooden chassis when they absolutely do not. They have a metal chassis and a wooden body frame.

I bet you are a fun guy to be around at a party.

That Scorpio is crazy money, who is ever going to pay that much for that?!??

[Adam B]

zedx19 said:

That Scorpio is crazy money, who is ever going to pay that much for that?!??

Maybe there is a premium market for old and ugly cars just because they have low mileage. Mental

[Fastpedeller]

zedx19 said:

mstrbkr said:

The way people call the monocoque/body structure of a car a "chassis", really really frustrates me. I feel like even car enthusiasts on this very forum don't have a clue what they're talking about. Maybe the two Mazdas do share a few smaller suspension parts, but I doubt the family friend meant that.

It's like the people that say Morgans have wooden chassis when they absolutely do not. They have a metal chassis and a wooden body frame.

I bet you are a fun guy to be around at a party.

Why make such a remark just because the guy is factually correct - or do you frequent parties where everyone who just talks garbage is a 'fun guy'?

[anonymous-user]

zedx19 said:

I bet you are a fun guy to be around at a party.

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Had written a response but i can't be bothered with getting in a spat on here tonight.

Now, in other news, the £26000 Honda S2000 I posted here about a week ago is still for sale, but it has been reduced to £24000. Still around £5-£6k too rich for me.

https://www.chiswickhonda.co.uk/used-cars/10888395...

Edited by mstrbkr on Monday 13th January 19:04

[LetsTryAgain]

mstrbkr said:

https://www.chiswickhonda.co.uk/used-cars/10888395...

That is definitely over priced, particularly as the mileage isn't anything special.
But the S2000 is a definite classic.

[Mr Tidy]

Adam B said:

zedx19 said:

That Scorpio is crazy money, who is ever going to pay that much for that?!??

Maybe there is a premium market for old and ugly cars just because they have low mileage. Mental

There must be - but then old Ford prices are just mental these days!

Back in 1990 I bought a 1985 Scorpio and it had the most amazing amount of kit for a car of that era, but I sold it to buy a car I had wanted for years - a W123 Mercedes 280e. Which turned out to be a bad idea.

Still you don't know if you don't try!

If prices weren't so daft I could be tempted by a later Scorpio with the Cosworth engine, but not the frog-eye - just no!

[Adam B]

Mr Tidy said:

There must be - but then old Ford prices are just mental these days!

I can kind of get old RS and Mexico Escorts, buts its dragging up mundane cars

Some people are going to get a financial kicking when the music stops

[Deranged Rover]

I loved my Scorpio. The most comfortable seats of any car I've ever owned, didn't put a foot wrong in 8 years of ownership and, even though mine was only the 2.3, that was an absolute peach of an engine. I very nearly bought another one last year but even I'd concur that £12.5k is a tad optimistic!

[s m]

Adam B said:

I can kind of get old RS and Mexico Escorts, buts its dragging up mundane cars

Some people are going to get a financial kicking when the music stops

People have been saying that for years and years now
You can still get a normal mileage Granada quite cheap if you want one to drive
To be honest even if you bought this very low miler you’d lose more on a new 5 series in depreciation in 1 year.

[Adam B]

but you'd be driving a new 5 series with current tech and performance, not an ugly old car

anyway for depreciation, comparing old with brand new is silly, this 5 series is same money and would lose less than that Scorpio if you actually drove it:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 14th January 11:18

[Deranged Rover]

Adam B said:

but you'd be driving a new 5 series with current tech and performance, not an ugly old car

anyway for depreciation, comparing old with brand new is silly, this 5 series is same money and would lose less than that Scorpio if you actually drove it:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 14th January 11:18

Whilst this is a fair point, I'd be interested to see a comparison of service pricing and the cost of spare parts between the Ford and the BMW. Maybe it;s just me, but one of the best things about being back in Ford ownership for the first time in about ten years is that I no longer have to assume that every service or repair is going to cost me four figures.

[s m]

Adam B said:

but you'd be driving a new 5 series with current tech and performance, not an ugly old car

anyway for depreciation, comparing old with brand new is silly, this 5 series is same money and would lose less than that Scorpio if you actually drove it:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 14th January 11:18

Not everyone wants to drive new cars Adam - hence a classic car market - one old boy who has retired may find 12k or thereabouts a snip for a car he missed out on when he was working rather than a new Fiesta or BMW he doesn’t really want
Granted this example may be ‘overpriced’ if you don’t like/want the car but then a high percentage of people on here think any old car should be hundreds of pounds at most

The better looking ( to most people ) shape had a low miler sell for £12k a couple of years back
No doubt the seller of this one with the higher power engine has based the asking price on that.
Always easier to come down in price than try and ask more!

[WonkeyDonkey]

Adam B said:

but you'd be driving a new 5 series with current tech and performance, not an ugly old car

anyway for depreciation, comparing old with brand new is silly, this 5 series is same money and would lose less than that Scorpio if you actually drove it:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 14th January 11:18

Why would you want to drive something even uglier and less comfortable than the scorpio :/

[AstonZagato]

WonkeyDonkey said:

Adam B said:

but you'd be driving a new 5 series with current tech and performance, not an ugly old car

anyway for depreciation, comparing old with brand new is silly, this 5 series is same money and would lose less than that Scorpio if you actually drove it:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 14th January 11:18

Why would you want to drive something even uglier and less comfortable than the scorpio :/

I realise that looks are in the eye of the beholder but I think you'd struggle to find many people who'd rate that generation Scorpio above the BMW (or much else, really) in terms of aesthetics.

Deranged Rover said:

I loved my Scorpio. The most comfortable seats of any car I've ever owned, didn't put a foot wrong in 8 years of ownership and, even though mine was only the 2.3, that was an absolute peach of an engine. I very nearly bought another one last year but even I'd concur that £12.5k is a tad optimistic!

I agree that they are very comfy old barges. I remember being picked up in one for a few airport runs when they were a current model: a very nice place to be for a relaxing journey. However, quite a few would see your desire to drive one now as proof of your "Deranged" moniker - the looks are more divisive than marmite.

Edited by AstonZagato on Wednesday 15th January 08:54

[Chestrockwell]

Adam B said:

but you'd be driving a new 5 series with current tech and performance, not an ugly old car

anyway for depreciation, comparing old with brand new is silly, this 5 series is same money and would lose less than that Scorpio if you actually drove it:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 14th January 11:18

Id say that 5 series is overpriced by atleast 4 grand, my friends got a 14 plate LCI 520d that he’s struggling to sell, M sport plus pack, carbon black, 60k miles that’s just been reduced to 12,999, it’s even a euro 6 diesel unlike that one.



However, in terms of the 5 series, I still wouldn’t pay even 10k for one, I drove it for a few weeks, lovely car, comfortable, fast....ish but..I just couldn’t spend 10k on such a boring car. 530d, maybe but 520? No chance

Which brings me onto that Scorpio, my god 12 grand!!

I don’t fully understand the appeal for old fast fords, maybe because I wasn’t around in those days however, at least the cosworths are quick and fun to drive, why would you pay 12 grand for an old, ugly, slow and boring to drive ford that was shed value 5 years ago. Mental.

If you want an investment that’s going to go up, the only car I can think of which is 100% going to rise in value, E46 M3, manual Coupe. 12k will get you one, put a smile on your face and rise in value.