RE: Aston Martin Vantage GT3 teased

[Ex Boy Racer]

I wonder what Aston Martin now stands for. Is it a British Porsche? Probably not as it does not have the required technology. Or a British Ferrari? No F1 race history for that one.
It used to be a luxurious, beautiful, understated brand. A typically British take on the expensive, performance car. To me, they lost this a long time ago.

[joema]

xRIEx said:

alistair1234 said:

dlockhart said:

why would you assume 600bhp. the gt3 race car would not have that much. surely it would have similar power to the other gt3s so 500 from a NA v8?

It's not going to be less than the standard car is it?!

In terms of homologated racers, the 458 and MP4-12C GT3s both had less power than the road variants.

I think the point was the standard car produced 575bhp (?) so the GT3 road car is likely to have more.

I'm guessing the wing wont be that big compared to an actual GT3 and it wont have the other aero.

But I'll have it with a sequential please!

[jonby]

xRIEx said:

alistair1234 said:

dlockhart said:

why would you assume 600bhp. the gt3 race car would not have that much. surely it would have similar power to the other gt3s so 500 from a NA v8?

It's not going to be less than the standard car is it?!

In terms of homologated racers, the 458 and MP4-12C GT3s both had less power than the road variants.

Aston have 3 race cars - in order of ascending price/performance they are GT4 based on the V8, GT3 based on the V12, GTE (LE Mans car) based on the V8

GT4 & GT3 push out a little more than their road car equivalents (V12 Vantage road car has 565bhp and GT3 is close to 600bhp, V8 road car is 430bhp and race car is nearer 450), whilst GTE pushes out a lot more than the V8 it's based on

This new Aston is based on the road car V12, with elements from the race car like the wider track and aero. Power increase will be new manifolds/exhaust/cats and a little engine management tweaking - it will only be a 30-40 bhp increase to the current road car engine - primary performance gains will be from weight loss, suspension & aero - see my post on the previous page for full spec

[mikey k]

This is going to have a LOT of parts on it that are common to the range

[thiscocks]

This is what Bond should drive, not that poncy concept thing

[British Beef]

thiscocks said:

This is what Bond should drive, not that poncy concept thing

Quite, nice and low key! Needs some special gadgets to top what has gone before though....
- Submarine
- Invisible
- Ejector seat
- The usual: Rockets, grenades, machine guns

[zeb]

Ex Boy Racer said:

I wonder what Aston Martin now stands for. Is it a British Porsche? Probably not as it does not have the required technology. Or a British Ferrari? No F1 race history for that one.
It used to be a luxurious, beautiful, understated brand. A typically British take on the expensive, performance car. To me, they lost this a long time ago.

4/10 for effort i'm afraid.....

[IMIA]

jonby said:

This is not new news

A number of us Aston owners discussed it at great length on a 5 page thread which ran from early to mid December

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Whilst some of us are being more discrete than others and there is some conflicting information (basically whilst final spec is decided by AML) what seems apparent is

Price starts at £250k
100 car limited run (globally, with no cars for the US)
Carbon Fibre body
Weight aim 1,500kg
Power aim 600 bhp
New exhaust system, possibly titanium with side exits
Aggressive aero including large rear wing
New centre stack with vanquish style instrumentation
Optional centre lock magnesium wheels
Car will start off with some extras being deleted, with an option to have them put back on (e.g. electric seats & cruise) however the weight aim does NOT assume air con delete or plastic windows - this is a track orientated road car, not a race car made road legal

1500 kgs is a disgrace for a CF race/road car. Does the CF have lead in it?! Looks lovely IMO but wouldn't be happy at that kerb weight.

[Evo]

IMIA said:

jonby said:

This is not new news

A number of us Aston owners discussed it at great length on a 5 page thread which ran from early to mid December

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Whilst some of us are being more discrete than others and there is some conflicting information (basically whilst final spec is decided by AML) what seems apparent is

Price starts at £250k
100 car limited run (globally, with no cars for the US)
Carbon Fibre body
Weight aim 1,500kg
Power aim 600 bhp
New exhaust system, possibly titanium with side exits
Aggressive aero including large rear wing
New centre stack with vanquish style instrumentation
Optional centre lock magnesium wheels
Car will start off with some extras being deleted, with an option to have them put back on (e.g. electric seats & cruise) however the weight aim does NOT assume air con delete or plastic windows - this is a track orientated road car, not a race car made road legal

1500 kgs is a disgrace for a CF race/road car. Does the CF have lead in it?! Looks lovely IMO but wouldn't be happy at that kerb weight.

I think they are leaving room for a margin of error

[atgnat]

Is it just me, or is the thought of Matt Becker having something to do with engineering this especially interesting...?

[Ex Boy Racer]

zeb said:

Ex Boy Racer said:

I wonder what Aston Martin now stands for. Is it a British Porsche? Probably not as it does not have the required technology. Or a British Ferrari? No F1 race history for that one.
It used to be a luxurious, beautiful, understated brand. A typically British take on the expensive, performance car. To me, they lost this a long time ago.

4/10 for effort i'm afraid.....

Sorry Zeb, don't quite follow you.
You're not my old maths teacher are you?

[thiscocks]

British Beef said:

thiscocks said:

This is what Bond should drive, not that poncy concept thing

Quite, nice and low key! Needs some special gadgets to top what has gone before though....
- Submarine
- Invisible
- Ejector seat
- The usual: Rockets, grenades, machine guns

as long as it doesnt go invisible thats fine. Not many gadgets on the latest bond cars though, which to be honest is probably better.

[mikey k]

Ex Boy Racer said:

A typically British take on the expensive, performance car. To me, they lost this a long time ago.

Take a look at the DB9.2, Vanquish and Rapide models and then look at the Jet and Lagonda concepts

[Zod]

mikey k said:

Ex Boy Racer said:

A typically British take on the expensive, performance car. To me, they lost this a long time ago.

Take a look at the DB9.2, Vanquish and Rapide models and then look at the Jet and Lagonda concepts

I don't think he needs to. He doesn't know about Aston Martin's Le Mans history, so he's hardly going to spend any time looking at current models to dispel his prejudices.

[jonby]

IMIA said:

jonby said:

This is not new news

A number of us Aston owners discussed it at great length on a 5 page thread which ran from early to mid December

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Whilst some of us are being more discrete than others and there is some conflicting information (basically whilst final spec is decided by AML) what seems apparent is

Price starts at £250k
100 car limited run (globally, with no cars for the US)
Carbon Fibre body
Weight aim 1,500kg
Power aim 600 bhp
New exhaust system, possibly titanium with side exits
Aggressive aero including large rear wing
New centre stack with vanquish style instrumentation
Optional centre lock magnesium wheels
Car will start off with some extras being deleted, with an option to have them put back on (e.g. electric seats & cruise) however the weight aim does NOT assume air con delete or plastic windows - this is a track orientated road car, not a race car made road legal

1500 kgs is a disgrace for a CF race/road car. Does the CF have lead in it?! Looks lovely IMO but wouldn't be happy at that kerb weight.

I've no idea what is 'acceptable' or typical for a CF race/road car. I'm not quite sure what other CF race/road cars are out there. I don't say that to be difficult - hopefully you will take those comments at face value

This has a CF body, not chassis. Standard Vantage already uses composites in many of the body panels. I understand the 2 doors and IIRC one other body part will be kept, to make compliance with safety regs easier. Current V12VS weighs 1,665kg so they are looking to strip c. 165kg or 10%. I'm going to guess that very approximately half that weight loss will come from the new body and half from dropping things like stereo, electric motors for seats, etc.

I actually think that if they achieve 1500kg (and final spec is far from signed off as yet, that's the target weight being quoted to potential buyers), that's pretty good for a road legal V12 engined car which will still have air con, standard glass, air bags, etc

Personally I don't think CF bodies in general save much weight when the original car already uses composites for many of the panels - do you realise for instance that current vanquish has a CF body, as does V12 Zag ?

[isaldiri]

jonby said:

This is not new news

A number of us Aston owners discussed it at great length on a 5 page thread which ran from early to mid December

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Whilst some of us are being more discrete than others and there is some conflicting information (basically whilst final spec is decided by AML) what seems apparent is

Price starts at £250k
100 car limited run (globally, with no cars for the US)
Carbon Fibre body
Weight aim 1,500kg
Power aim 600 bhp
New exhaust system, possibly titanium with side exits
Aggressive aero including large rear wing
New centre stack with vanquish style instrumentation
Optional centre lock magnesium wheels
Car will start off with some extras being deleted, with an option to have them put back on (e.g. electric seats & cruise) however the weight aim does NOT assume air con delete or plastic windows - this is a track orientated road car, not a race car made road legal

Interesting, had heard some rumours about this one last month which includes quite a few of the bits and bobs above. 100 cars sounds awfully low though especially to be able to budget for any meaningful development for the car in being substantially improved in terms of dynamics outside of simply increased power/weight loss. Centrelock mag wheels sounds like a terrible idea as well but glad they are making a v12 NA car like this all the same.

[Axionknight]

thespannerman said:

Make that four

You guys aren't including me in this count and I wanted a manual too...... Sad face

[kambites]

And how many of the people saying they want a manual would go out and buy a brand new Vantage GT3 for £250k or whatever it is if it came with one? I'd want a manual if I was going to buy one but since it's about ten times what I'd ever spend on a car, my opinion doesn't count for much.

I bemoan the death of the manual sports car as much as anyone but unfortunately the people who are actually putting their hands in their pockets don't seem to agree and they're the ones that matter .

[mikey k]

isaldiri said:

jonby said:

This is not new news

A number of us Aston owners discussed it at great length on a 5 page thread which ran from early to mid December

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Whilst some of us are being more discrete than others and there is some conflicting information (basically whilst final spec is decided by AML) what seems apparent is

Price starts at £250k
100 car limited run (globally, with no cars for the US)
Carbon Fibre body
Weight aim 1,500kg
Power aim 600 bhp
New exhaust system, possibly titanium with side exits
Aggressive aero including large rear wing
New centre stack with vanquish style instrumentation
Optional centre lock magnesium wheels
Car will start off with some extras being deleted, with an option to have them put back on (e.g. electric seats & cruise) however the weight aim does NOT assume air con delete or plastic windows - this is a track orientated road car, not a race car made road legal

Interesting, had heard some rumours about this one last month which includes quite a few of the bits and bobs above. 100 cars sounds awfully low though especially to be able to budget for any meaningful development for the car in being substantially improved in terms of dynamics outside of simply increased power/weight loss. Centrelock mag wheels sounds like a terrible idea as well but glad they are making a v12 NA car like this all the same.

That's because there will be very very little development, it will be the bd son of the road going V12 Vantage and the GT3 race car using bits they already have.
It will be sold at a massive premium over the V12VS (~£100k) and due to the numbers the prices will be firm and sell out quickly
The 101 manual V12 roadsters they did went that way!

[MrTappets]

Really hoping for 650bhp and a manual box, and not just a V12VS with and extra 20bhp and a goofy bodykit