Why is lorry overtaking not banned?
Discussion
Devil2575 said:
RobM77 said:
As I said above though, it's not a 1:1 issue, it's you and ten or twenty other drivers vs one lorry driver, that's the whole point of the debate - a single lorry overtaking on a DC can cause a huge tailback. I'm not on either side of the argument, but I just want to clarify that. Nobody in their right mind would suggest banning lorries from overtaking if that wasn't the case.
It's me and 10-20 cars most of which are carrying a single person vs a lorry with a trailer full of goods that need delivering.I'm not saying that the cars less right to be on the road but you can't simply count drivers.
That's why this is a contentious issue, because we have to weight up the delivery of goods with the personal agendas of the people stuck behind the lorry. That's also why I have no opinion on the issue - for me it's too tricky a problem to come up with an answer to. However, whilst I'm undecided on what's right and wrong for this problem, personally I'm fine with it as it'll only delay me a few minutes at most and I welcome the extra mpg sitting behind a big lorry
T0MMY said:
There are good and bad car and lorry drivers so maybe you could accept that some of the latter are in fact selfish idiots and not blindly defend everything they do, just as I would never defend car drivers en masse.
Indeed. timetex said:
As much as I find elephant racing to be annoying, I can see both sides. In those situations, it would be nice (surely) if the slower truck could just lift a little and let the (slightly) faster truck get past just a little quicker. Surely the momentum lost would be offset somewhat by getting a tow from the faster truck when it pulls in front?
Yes, I've asked this a couple of times and received no reply.Is there a momentum/power/speed issue that prevents this from happening?
If an overtake is having to take 10 mins, why doesn't the truck driving colleague aid things along?
g3org3y said:
Yes, I've asked this a couple of times and received no reply.
Is there a momentum/power/speed issue that prevents this from happening?
If an overtake is having to take 10 mins, why doesn't the truck driving colleague aid things along?
There are very few overtakes that take ten minutes, most drivers do roll out of the throttle to let the passing truck in, but on a hill or incline not so much as a loss of momentum is to much. Is there a momentum/power/speed issue that prevents this from happening?
If an overtake is having to take 10 mins, why doesn't the truck driving colleague aid things along?
At the same time how many times do you see car drivers pulling into lane 1 in order to help the flow of traffic?
Plus the car driver has the opportunity to make up for the few minutes lost, as a person who travels up the A14/A1 regularly I understand the irritation of being held up for a few minutes, but the bigger hold is when said lorry pulls in, does the car in front never pass & pull in no he waits until he or she leaves a gap long enough to fit an Artic in before pulling over.
As I've always said lane discipline is the biggest issue with our Motorways/Dual Carriageways & in that debate car drivers are worse at this than truck drivers.
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Tuesday 20th January 13:48
Some serious Elephant racing on the A12 between Colchester and Ipswich today.
Guilty as charged but as we were all moving at 40mph in roadworks it was acceptable.
Oh and just as a little addition to the thread, may I take the opportunity to thank the car drivers who pass my big lump of pig iron and then drift into my well maintained braking space and then slow down - cheers!!
Guilty as charged but as we were all moving at 40mph in roadworks it was acceptable.
Oh and just as a little addition to the thread, may I take the opportunity to thank the car drivers who pass my big lump of pig iron and then drift into my well maintained braking space and then slow down - cheers!!
skyrover said:
Here's a better idea. Remove the limiters from lorry and let them speed up to overtake.
An EVEN better idea, would be for the driver of the slightly slower HGV, to take his foot off the accelerator pedal for 3 seconds, thus making the speed differential greater than 0.25 mph. I do quite a bit of driving on the A50 and the M50 where the opportunities to be stuck behind a twosome of lorries is high. I find that chilling out and relaxing works for me. I've been very stationary on the M1, and the M6 for long enough and more times than I like to think about, to be happy with slowing to 56 mph for a little while.
I think it should be based on colour. Only red lorries can overtake blue lorries with the rule that a brown lorry must be in the rear view mirror. Pink lorries can overtake anything and green lorries can only overtake in even hour periods. e.g. 10 to 11 but not 11 to 12. Red lorries can only overtake brown lorries and only on Fridays. Yellow lorries can overtake anything anytime. Missed a few but you get the picture.
Devil2575 said:
It's me and 10-20 cars most of which are carrying a single person vs a lorry with a trailer full of goods that need delivering.
I'm not saying that the cars less right to be on the road but you can't simply count drivers.
Think of the room that 10-20 cars are taking, just to carry 10-20 people, some or many of whom will just be travelling to go and talk to somebody.I'm not saying that the cars less right to be on the road but you can't simply count drivers.
Leaving that aside though, those 10-20 people will, like the rest of us, do their fair share of blocking the roads solid as countless videos such as this will show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d1Hw1AzgW8&in...
and as this video so wonderfully shows, people blocking the roads all think someone else is to blame. In this case one of the drivers blocking the road thinks that motorcycles cause congestion.
We all cause enormous congestion. For us to point a finger at any other road user goes way beyond utter hypocrisy, it is just completely stupid imo. It is utter stupidity imo to think that anyone other than yourself, if you drive a car, causes any kind of delay worth talking about.
Anyone who puts a car on the road during working or daylight hours is part of an enormous problem and they should shut the f
k up imo. heebeegeetee said:
Devil2575 said:
It's me and 10-20 cars most of which are carrying a single person vs a lorry with a trailer full of goods that need delivering.
I'm not saying that the cars less right to be on the road but you can't simply count drivers.
Leaving that aside though, those 10-20 people will, like the rest of us, do their fair share of blocking the roads solid as countless videos such as this will show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d1Hw1AzgW8&in...I'm not saying that the cars less right to be on the road but you can't simply count drivers.
king road warrior. Vipers said:
Another fking road warrior.
The toot on the horn was exactly the right thing to do. king road warrior. Point is though, all those drivers blocking the road like that and contributing to hours of delay per week, will also no doubt at some point be complaining that the nasty lorries delay them by minutes a year.
Vipers said:
heebeegeetee said:
Devil2575 said:
It's me and 10-20 cars most of which are carrying a single person vs a lorry with a trailer full of goods that need delivering.
I'm not saying that the cars less right to be on the road but you can't simply count drivers.
Leaving that aside though, those 10-20 people will, like the rest of us, do their fair share of blocking the roads solid as countless videos such as this will show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d1Hw1AzgW8&in...I'm not saying that the cars less right to be on the road but you can't simply count drivers.
king road warrior. 
From the Herts and Essex Observer, 2010:
Herts and Essex Observer said:
Lorries banned from overtaking on M11
By Alex.Day | Posted: March 26, 2010
By Sinead Holland
Comments (2)
A NEW overtaking ban for heavy vehicles on a section of the M11 in Uttlesford will be trialled for 18 months.
The daytime restriction Monday, April 12 will affect lorries of 7.5 tonnes and over. It will be in operation where the motorway passes over a hill near Saffron Walden, just south of Junction 9 (for the A11).
The aim is to reduce congestion and cut the risk of accidents caused by slow-moving traffic on two long, uphill sections, where the motorway is only two lanes wide. By keeping heavy vehicles to the inside lane only, the Highways Agency hopes to ensure a clear outside lane for faster, lighter traffic.
The restrictions will apply to a 2.5 mile (4km) section of the northbound carriageway, starting just before the exit for Junction 9, while the southbound restrictions will apply to just under one mile (1.5km) of the motorway, starting 0.8 miles (1.25km) north of the bridge carrying Strethall Road over the M11.
The overtaking ban will run daily from 7am to 7pm.
Peter Smith, highways agency area performance manager, said: "The motorway here is just two lanes wide, with a long uphill gradient, and heavy goods vehicles make up 20 per cent of the traffic.
Heavy vehicles slow down on the uphill slope and when they try to overtake each other, it can block the motorway and slow down the traffic for several miles.Drivers of vehicles caught up in the resulting queues become frustrated and that leads to an increased risk of accidents and further traffic delays.
He said: “We will trial the restriction, which requires trucks of 7.5 tonnes and over to remain on the inside lane only, for an 18-month period so we can assess its effectiveness as a solution to traffic queues and reducing the risk of accidents caused by slow-moving vehicles."
Trials held in other parts of the UK have brought a cut in congestion and improvements to journey time reliability. Results indicated that overall average journey times improved for non HGVs while lorry journey times remained unchanged in the morning peak and improved at other times.
Read more: http://www.hertsandessexobserver.co.uk/Lorries-ban...
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By Alex.Day | Posted: March 26, 2010
By Sinead Holland
Comments (2)
A NEW overtaking ban for heavy vehicles on a section of the M11 in Uttlesford will be trialled for 18 months.
The daytime restriction Monday, April 12 will affect lorries of 7.5 tonnes and over. It will be in operation where the motorway passes over a hill near Saffron Walden, just south of Junction 9 (for the A11).
The aim is to reduce congestion and cut the risk of accidents caused by slow-moving traffic on two long, uphill sections, where the motorway is only two lanes wide. By keeping heavy vehicles to the inside lane only, the Highways Agency hopes to ensure a clear outside lane for faster, lighter traffic.
The restrictions will apply to a 2.5 mile (4km) section of the northbound carriageway, starting just before the exit for Junction 9, while the southbound restrictions will apply to just under one mile (1.5km) of the motorway, starting 0.8 miles (1.25km) north of the bridge carrying Strethall Road over the M11.
The overtaking ban will run daily from 7am to 7pm.
Peter Smith, highways agency area performance manager, said: "The motorway here is just two lanes wide, with a long uphill gradient, and heavy goods vehicles make up 20 per cent of the traffic.
Heavy vehicles slow down on the uphill slope and when they try to overtake each other, it can block the motorway and slow down the traffic for several miles.Drivers of vehicles caught up in the resulting queues become frustrated and that leads to an increased risk of accidents and further traffic delays.
He said: “We will trial the restriction, which requires trucks of 7.5 tonnes and over to remain on the inside lane only, for an 18-month period so we can assess its effectiveness as a solution to traffic queues and reducing the risk of accidents caused by slow-moving vehicles."
Trials held in other parts of the UK have brought a cut in congestion and improvements to journey time reliability. Results indicated that overall average journey times improved for non HGVs while lorry journey times remained unchanged in the morning peak and improved at other times.
Read more: http://www.hertsandessexobserver.co.uk/Lorries-ban...
Follow us: @HertsEssexObser on Twitter
It's been patently obvious for years that this section of 2 lane motorway needs a crawler lane. When the authorities whinge that they haven't got enough money for a crawler lane, then how about implementing the outside lane lorry ban trial full time? It was a Godsend while it lasted, but it suddenly ended and I can find little information as to why(other than various local newspaper reports).
As a car driver, I must apologise to some truckers for having the audacity to use a car to drive to my workplace, and thus use up valuable road space that would be better used for transporting goods. I am a paper clip design and test engineer - unfortunately there are not any paper clip manufacturing facilities accessible by public transport within a 5 mile radius of my home!
Anyway I've just signed off a new design of high-tech carbon fibre paper clip, and cleared it for production. So that's going to mean lots more loads of paper clips that will need to be trucked around the country by lorry drivers - uphill at 50 mph in the outside lane of course
eta - actually I realise that I am just a small cog in the system and that I really should be moving out of the way of those "Pistonheads powerfully built director types" in the outside lane in their Audi A5 slines or BMW 518i's (delete as appropriate) as they must have a far more important job to do ... when they are not 'working from home' that is
As a car driver, I must apologise to some truckers for having the audacity to use a car to drive to my workplace, and thus use up valuable road space that would be better used for transporting goods. I am a paper clip design and test engineer - unfortunately there are not any paper clip manufacturing facilities accessible by public transport within a 5 mile radius of my home!
Anyway I've just signed off a new design of high-tech carbon fibre paper clip, and cleared it for production. So that's going to mean lots more loads of paper clips that will need to be trucked around the country by lorry drivers - uphill at 50 mph in the outside lane of course
eta - actually I realise that I am just a small cog in the system and that I really should be moving out of the way of those "Pistonheads powerfully built director types" in the outside lane in their Audi A5 slines or BMW 518i's (delete as appropriate) as they must have a far more important job to do ... when they are not 'working from home' that is
Edited by GSE on Wednesday 21st January 14:46
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