Why is lorry overtaking not banned?
Discussion
CubanPete said:
I did an online petition for this, it got a reasonable amount of interest, but it got pulled when they announced the snap general election.
New house, busy work and baby on way has meant I have had other priorities recently.
I simply don’t believe you.New house, busy work and baby on way has meant I have had other priorities recently.
I don’t think that a house, work and a baby are more important than every car journey you make, that’s why you started the petition isn’t it?
foxbody-87 said:
Car drivers blame lorries, lorry drivers blame cars. The reason we can't get anywhere quickly here is because of traffic volume. The rate of vehicles per person here is actually lower than some other European countries, but our population is higher and concentrated into a smaller area. It's also growing, so expect it to get worse.
And the attitude of me me me I own the roads how dare you slow me down. At the end of the day you get to your destination when you get there.NorfolkInClue1 said:
CubanPete said:
I did an online petition for this, it got a reasonable amount of interest, but it got pulled when they announced the snap general election.
New house, busy work and baby on way has meant I have had other priorities recently.
I simply don’t believe you.New house, busy work and baby on way has meant I have had other priorities recently.
I don’t think that a house, work and a baby are more important than every car journey you make, that’s why you started the petition isn’t it?
GC8 said:
CubanPete said:
I did an online petition for this, it got a reasonable amount of interest, but it got pulled when they announced the snap general election.
New house, busy work and baby on way has meant I have had other priorities recently.
Id like to see it discussed, and to see you ridiculed. You deserve it,New house, busy work and baby on way has meant I have had other priorities recently.
Flow simulation models (and real life) suggests two vehicles travelling side by side for 20 miles doesn't quite balance out the delayed and concertina traffic it creates elsewhere during this time.
Want fire out some facts to back up your statement? Awaiting ridicule.
why do lorry's overtake other lorry's because they are going slower than you are . TIME
i drive a hgv and do the same run every night . our Depot has a large number of units ( arctic cabs )
they are all set at 56mph max have the same engines etc but some ARE faster than others
to a car driver 1.5 mph does not seem alot but x 8 hours of driving save 12 mins when your close to your driving hours and looking
for a parking space that time is very imporant
remember lorry drivers are also car drivers as well
i drive a hgv and do the same run every night . our Depot has a large number of units ( arctic cabs )
they are all set at 56mph max have the same engines etc but some ARE faster than others
to a car driver 1.5 mph does not seem alot but x 8 hours of driving save 12 mins when your close to your driving hours and looking
for a parking space that time is very imporant
remember lorry drivers are also car drivers as well
CubanPete said:
NorfolkInClue1 said:
CubanPete said:
I did an online petition for this, it got a reasonable amount of interest, but it got pulled when they announced the snap general election.
New house, busy work and baby on way has meant I have had other priorities recently.
I simply don’t believe you.New house, busy work and baby on way has meant I have had other priorities recently.
I don’t think that a house, work and a baby are more important than every car journey you make, that’s why you started the petition isn’t it?
The A1 is just a mess because of them I did 800 miles on the A1 this week and the lorries are a pain in the arse.
One took 10 minutes to not overtake another what a cretin.
The way they just barge out at points is down right dangerous.
Although the pathetic way people in cars accelerate after one has pulled in just adds to the misery.
One took 10 minutes to not overtake another what a cretin.
The way they just barge out at points is down right dangerous.
Although the pathetic way people in cars accelerate after one has pulled in just adds to the misery.
viggyp said:
Agreed, but there'll be the one time that you will have to take an exit but that will be death defying due to lorry drivers driving bumper to bumper.
I've always found that if you find a semi decent gap between two HGV at least 1/2 mile from an exit, get in lane 2 , and indicate left, then you'll get a flash to say "ok mate ,move in ". You've asked nicely, but not forced in ,making them brake heavily, so they respond with courtesy. It's only olde world manners, which they appreciate.
Something else that really annoys trucks ( and even down to van drivers) is lack of anticipation .One particular area are switch back roads. Not so bad in a van, which is not limited as you can ( without Mr speed limiter in front, keeping to 55 MPH) hammer down the hill to get momentum to attach the next incline. But it must be frustrating in a truck, limited to 56 .
Edited by Who me ? on Friday 6th October 22:43
Johnnytheboy said:
Vipers said:
At the end of the day you get to your destination when you get there.
Now that, sir, is the finest pearl of wisdom PH has ever vomited up.
Apologies if covered before, but for me it's about time the rule / law which allows lorries to use all lanes but the extreme right on motorways was changed. It was written when motorways were two or three lanes, not 4, 5 or 6.
Lorries should be limited to the two most left hand lanes where there are 2 or more lanes.
Lorries should be limited to the two most left hand lanes where there are 2 or more lanes.
Peanut130 said:
why do lorry's overtake other lorry's because they are going slower than you are . TIME
i drive a hgv and do the same run every night . our Depot has a large number of units ( arctic cabs )
they are all set at 56mph max have the same engines etc but some ARE faster than others
to a car driver 1.5 mph does not seem alot but x 8 hours of driving save 12 mins when your close to your driving hours and looking
for a parking space that time is very imporant
remember lorry drivers are also car drivers as well
I understand entirely what you are saying, given the time limits you have to work to!i drive a hgv and do the same run every night . our Depot has a large number of units ( arctic cabs )
they are all set at 56mph max have the same engines etc but some ARE faster than others
to a car driver 1.5 mph does not seem alot but x 8 hours of driving save 12 mins when your close to your driving hours and looking
for a parking space that time is very imporant
remember lorry drivers are also car drivers as well
Which is why I was a bit disappointed on the A404M on 28/09/17 at the top of the hill down to the A4155 when an artic indicated to pull out into the 2nd (of 2) lanes and I slowed down to let him do that (and avoid getting pushed onto the grass as some drivers think indicating is all that they need to do before they pull out) but also maintain his momentum, then got the "coffee beans".
So he got the 1 fingered salute - you can't please everyone all of the time! Tw*T.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
I simply don’t believe you.
I don’t think that a house, work and a baby are more important than every car journey you make, that’s why you started the petition isn’t it?
Wow did you really say this ?!!! Work and house maybe so but Baby? How can a human life not be more important than every car journey ?I don’t think that a house, work and a baby are more important than every car journey you make, that’s why you started the petition isn’t it?
Care to elaborate ?
FocusRS3 said:
NorfolkInClue1 said:
I simply don’t believe you.
I don’t think that a house, work and a baby are more important than every car journey you make, that’s why you started the petition isn’t it?
Wow did you really say this ?!!! Work and house maybe so but Baby? How can a human life not be more important than every car journey ?I don’t think that a house, work and a baby are more important than every car journey you make, that’s why you started the petition isn’t it?
Care to elaborate ?
I've just come back from a road trip from western France to Croatia in our camper. On the way back we came to a two lane stretch on motorway where HGV overtaking was not allowed, I have never seen anything like it, ten miles of stationary trucks with drivers out their cabs walking round bored whilst the cars in the remaining lane all wizes past at 110kph. There was a concrete barrier to the left of us too making our lane very narrow so we were in effect in a sort of tube with nowhere to go id anything should go wrong.
I think a lot of the problems with HGV's are as mentioned before, some are restricted to different speeds. I've never driven an HGV more than a few meters but I would imagine the drivers just sit with their foot down all the time and let the limiter do the speed control. If this is the case then maybe they could have a slightly variable speed limiter say +- 1mph so if you're slowly catching someone up you could fine tune your speed to match the one in front without having to pass or remove your foot.
I think a lot of the problems with HGV's are as mentioned before, some are restricted to different speeds. I've never driven an HGV more than a few meters but I would imagine the drivers just sit with their foot down all the time and let the limiter do the speed control. If this is the case then maybe they could have a slightly variable speed limiter say +- 1mph so if you're slowly catching someone up you could fine tune your speed to match the one in front without having to pass or remove your foot.
limpsfield said:
FocusRS3 said:
NorfolkInClue1 said:
I simply don’t believe you.
I don’t think that a house, work and a baby are more important than every car journey you make, that’s why you started the petition isn’t it?
Wow did you really say this ?!!! Work and house maybe so but Baby? How can a human life not be more important than every car journey ?I don’t think that a house, work and a baby are more important than every car journey you make, that’s why you started the petition isn’t it?
Care to elaborate ?
DoubleD said:
Why is a car drivers journey more important than a lorry drivers journey?
The same reason why that one chap in a car thinks he is more important than a bus full of people. He's a cocksocket. Someone's given him a white coloured shirt, a credit card and all of a sudden he is the most important object on the planet until another one comes along who's got more trim on the outside of their car. The unfortunate truth is the reason we have had rapidly increased congestion and rapidly increased number of lorries on the roads is because we've had a rapid increase in the number of vegetables borrowing money to buy crap they don't need. It's just a function of excessive consumerism.
If everyone just bought one less lump of worthless, shiny crap each week then we would have fewer lorry journeys and fewer trips to the temples of consumption.
Next time you're standing in the middle of Dwell or Range looking at a 10p lump of shiny crap and contemplating borrowing the £50 needed to be able to take it home. Don't.
Next time you think it's remotely sane to spend a day walking around a complex comprised of hundreds of identikit stalls of unneeded s
teness procuring even more ghastly tat that serves no purpose using money you have to borrow. It isn't. And next time you get upset in your shiny new car that you didn't really need, full of shiny new tat you didn't need and a lorry that is full of tonnes of freshly made shiny tat of no value on a desperate mission to get it delivered in time to the consumer temples for thousands more of you to be able to bow before priapismically. Don't.
Oh but think of the GDP. We must increase our GDP. It's our patriotic duty to increase the GDP.
This weekend the mass pilgrimage to the temples of the shiny shiny has already begun and already a few of those pilgrims will be complaining about the excessive traffic caused by millions of thoughtless drones of consumption herding themselves to venues where they can release the debt while the temples desperately try and get enough tat delivered by its ever growing army of lorries to keep feeding the insatiable, out of control and insane demands of the consumer for a new 1p crappy household ornament without ever stopping and questioning their abject insanity.
Or in short, in the West, increased urban traffic is a function of rising consumption due to excess wealth. More than population growth (most growth rates are declining) or a lack of infrastructure or rules.
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