Why is lorry overtaking not banned?

[crossy67]

DonkeyApple said:

The same reason why that one chap in a car thinks he is more important than a bus full of people. He's a cocksocket. Someone's given him a white coloured shirt, a credit card and all of a sudden he is the most important object on the planet until another one comes along who's got more trim on the outside of their car.

The unfortunate truth is the reason we have had rapidly increased congestion and rapidly increased number of lorries on the roads is because we've had a rapid increase in the number of vegetables borrowing money to buy crap they don't need. It's just a function of excessive consumerism.

If everyone just bought one less lump of worthless, shiny crap each week then we would have fewer lorry journeys and fewer trips to the temples of consumption.

Next time you're standing in the middle of Dwell or Range looking at a 10p lump of shiny crap and contemplating borrowing the £50 needed to be able to take it home. Don't.

Next time you think it's remotely sane to spend a day walking around a complex comprised of hundreds of identikit stalls of unneeded steness procuring even more ghastly tat that serves no purpose using money you have to borrow. It isn't.

And next time you get upset in your shiny new car that you didn't really need, full of shiny new tat you didn't need and a lorry that is full of tonnes of freshly made shiny tat of no value on a desperate mission to get it delivered in time to the consumer temples for thousands more of you to be able to bow before priapismically. Don't.

Oh but think of the GDP. We must increase our GDP. It's our patriotic duty to increase the GDP.

This weekend the mass pilgrimage to the temples of the shiny shiny has already begun and already a few of those pilgrims will be complaining about the excessive traffic caused by millions of thoughtless drones of consumption herding themselves to venues where they can release the debt while the temples desperately try and get enough tat delivered by its ever growing army of lorries to keep feeding the insatiable, out of control and insane demands of the consumer for a new 1p crappy household ornament without ever stopping and questioning their abject insanity.



Or in short, in the West, increased urban traffic is a function of rising consumption due to excess wealth. More than population growth (most growth rates are declining) or a lack of infrastructure or rules.

Wow, couldn't have put it netter my self. Not the sort of thing I'd post for fear of sounding winey but it's true. Well said.

[jmorgan]

Lorry don't carry anything to the shops, it all appears by magic.

[DonkeyApple]

We're all guilty of it one way or another though. I think the people who come across as whiney are the ones complaining about a situation which they are an active part of the making of.

We're a consumer society. We have chosen to hire people in vans to do all our domestic chores so that we can spend more time at the shops and at work earning enough to pay the debt obligations and the army of lorries are an absolutely essential pillar in our worship.

All we need to do is buy less crap.

[jmorgan]

Just ordered something on line, tracking shows its progress to various depots. Unless they are using beam me up Scotty stuff, it is in the back of a vehicle. With lots of people ordering things for just in time delivery, they are not going to send it by taxi. Otherwise we would be moaning about gridlock literally with so many small vehicles bringing the roads to a standstill 24/7.

So, you want next day delivery, parts for your car so the garage can fix it today, or food on the shelves the way you expect it, suck it up and leave earlier.

[Hackney]

DoubleD said:

Why is a car drivers journey more important than a lorry drivers journey?

Perhaps it's not but a car going at its max legal speed on a road would be going faster than a lorry. May not be a more important journey, the car is just quicker.

[threespires]

I went to McD's tonight & there were six people ahead of me in the queue. Third in line was this giant of a chap & it really p'd me off coz I knew he'd be ordering double of everything & I'd be held up for 2 minutes waiting for his large order to be served up..
There should be a separate line for such people.

[DonkeyApple]

There is. You were in it.

[Nickyboy]

Currently in the US where I’ve driven approx 1500 miles in the past 3 weeks, not once have I been held up by a truck, sticking to an average 60 most of the time the trucks are long gone past me not holding anyone up. They just want to get on with their job and get their freight delivered.
Some highways here have minimum speed limits, typically 20mph under the maximum limit, no dawdlers which is great. A lot of visible policing, seen 3 people being pulled over. Never seen one person in the uk in the process of being pulled over

[Vanin]

DonkeyApple said:

We're all guilty of it one way or another though. I think the people who come across as whiney are the ones complaining about a situation which they are an active part of the making of.

We're a consumer society. We have chosen to hire people in vans to do all our domestic chores so that we can spend more time at the shops and at work earning enough to pay the debt obligations and the army of lorries are an absolutely essential pillar in our worship.

All we need to do is buy less crap.

Fuelled by derivatives?

[Johnnytheboy]

threespires said:

I went to McD's tonight & there were six people ahead of me in the queue. Third in line was this giant of a chap & it really p'd me off coz I knew he'd be ordering double of everything & I'd be held up for 2 minutes waiting for his large order to be served up..
There should be a separate line for such people.

If there was - to use a lorry analogy - another fat bloke would join that queue and take just as long.

[FocusRS3]

If I drink my sleep is rubbish and all I wanna do is sleep the next day

[DonkeyApple]

Vanin said:

DonkeyApple said:

We're all guilty of it one way or another though. I think the people who come across as whiney are the ones complaining about a situation which they are an active part of the making of.

We're a consumer society. We have chosen to hire people in vans to do all our domestic chores so that we can spend more time at the shops and at work earning enough to pay the debt obligations and the army of lorries are an absolutely essential pillar in our worship.

All we need to do is buy less crap.

Fuelled by derivatives?

Fuelled purely by consumer demand. Derivatives, like lorries merely facilitate that demand by making the produce more affordable so more consumers can consume it.

The most potent mechanism is obviously debt. It's no surprise that consumption has boomed as access to debt has been increased through deregulation. Swiftest way to reduce lorry and car traffic on the UK roads would obviously be to increase the cost of consumer debt or increase its regulation.

[Europa1]

crossy67 said:

Wow, couldn't have put it netter my self. Not the sort of thing I'd post for fear of sounding winey but it's true. Well said.

Better than sounding beery.

[Rawwr]

Who me said:

I've always found that if you find a semi decent gap between two HGV...

They're leaving gaps now? That's new.

[Front bottom]

If I was a lorry driver, I'd get a bit fed up of looking at the lorry in front for miles and miles on end.

Sometimes I'd like a change of view, at that point, I'd like to overtake.

I've got no problem with lorry drivers. Look at the idiots all around them, in cars usually.

[Peanut130]

there is another reason in a truck you sit much higher up your view in front is very important
most car drivers only look at the car in front then only look in the mirrors when changing lanes
when i am driving a truck loaded say 40 ton it can take a fair while to stop also when losing speed
it can take a while to get back up , so hgv drivers look as far ahead as they can looking for brakelights ,inclines roadworks speed camaras etc
we dont like sitting behind another slower hgv if he is lighter he can stop quicker than you can if i drop back to create a gap another car or hgv will pull in front so if i can get in front of a slower hgv i will

[Vipers]

Peanut130 said:

there is another reason in a truck you sit much higher up your view in front is very important
most car drivers only look at the car in front then only look in the mirrors when changing lanes
when i am driving a truck loaded say 40 ton it can take a fair while to stop also when losing speed
it can take a while to get back up , so hgv drivers look as far ahead as they can looking for brakelights ,inclines roadworks speed camaras etc
we dont like sitting behind another slower hgv if he is lighter he can stop quicker than you can if i drop back to create a gap another car or hgv will pull in front so if i can get in front of a slower hgv i will

Personally I have never had a gripe about lorries, on dual carriageway if I detect the truck in L1 is catching another up, I will often give him an indication that he can pull out if he wants to.

A lot of car drivers are so self centred me me me attitude, chill out guys, you'll get there in the end.