The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T (Vol XVII)
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p1stonhead said:
sly fox said:
jeremyc said:
What is the logic behind that purchase? None. None at all. They were not even that good when they were launched. Given that a 1.5 diesel hatchback has more power and torque, it's a rich man's folly.
Surely you cannot think the value will go up even further? What's the chance of finding someone willing to spend more than that on a f**king Ford Escort?
Maybe a Ford Mexico driven by a Flying Finn or Swede with Rally pedigree but a run of the mill road car?
Insanity.
Any old 911 and it wouldn't raise a stir, just as cmoose observed.
Half a million pound 911s abound - matters not re the driving experience when they were new - legend and rarity overcomes a lot
I drove the RS1600i and RS S1 when they were pretty new cars thanks to a mate who was well-off. The Turbo had a LSD which did make it interesting - my friend who owned it could get the best out of it driven hard to keep us behind in our Peugeot GTi 1.9s at the time. Slow they were not, especially when the turbo was blowing hard.
I wouldn't pay 60k for one....but then I don't have the sort of money some of these buyers have
anonymous said:
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But you are not using the same logic. Any 911, of any vintage, or a boxster for that matter, has some intrinsic value, engineering and pedigree. Not to mention performance.
It's a stbox Escort with a naff turbo conversion by Ford. It wasn't worth the money when it was new, let alone now. It's not £60k's worth of driving experience is it? Never will be. A vintage 911- given everything i've read -what is famed is the purity of driving experience which isn't something you can easily buy today. Never driven one to be sure to be honest to have an opinion.
I have driven an Escort RS turbo and it was about as close to a performance car as a Daewoo Matiz. It was a boy racer car with all show and little go. Engine suffered from lag, and when it was on boost it felt like it had the car equivalent of asthma. It torque steered like a cow on roller skates too. I couldnt find anything about it that seemed good, let alone great or worthy. Embarrassing for me as i drove it at a Fast Ford event which i was attending with a mate.
Law's of economics are tied to scarcity - absolutely- i understand that. Not all scarce things are valuable though. Would you pay £10 for a white dog turd which you just don't see these days?
Put it this way, would you rather spend £60k on that classic Ford Escort RS Turbo, or £60k on a classic/modern Porker of your choosing? Was/Is the RS Turbo really desirable? Other than to the muppet that spent £60k on one this weekend? £6k perhaps but not £60k?
It's value is what someone is prepared to pay, but i'd have to suggest that someone got a large dose of auction frenzy. I hope they are happy. I hope they didn't buy it thinking it would be a four wheeled investment. Because if/when this classic car market crashes, that car is going to be worth f**k all. Getting £60k's worth of enjoyment out of the Escort would take a lifetime.
The vintage 911? Suspect that wouldn't fall anywhere near as far.
anonymous said:
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Well yes and that is why the CGT is such a bargain right now (even at today's prices). I am really kicking myself for not buying one 3 years ago when they were £250k, they are kind of out of reach now.Regarding creating a 2.7RS for a fraction of the asking... you need to start with a pre-73 911, they're now what? £40-50k? and then do a whole load of work to it, not to mention get a 2.7 MFI motor. I can't see a recreation, if done properly, leaving much change from £125k.
However I take your general point - you could create a 964RS or a 993RS for a fraction of the asking. Ever bigger fractions though...
A pretty little thing, but could the photos be any worse?
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C681891
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C681891
bungle said:
Would be interesting to see how much the rest of the weekend's cars went for? They would have got a lot of "don't normally go to auctions"-people there (as part of the Classic Car Show), so people may have got carried away in the "excitement".
You can look at the prices if you go to the main link - it tells you what didn't sell......and for the stuff they did sell, what it actually went forhttps://www.silverstoneauctions.com/nec-classic-mo...
sly fox said:
But you are not using the same logic.
Any 911, of any vintage, or a boxster for that matter, has some intrinsic value, engineering and pedigree. Not to mention performance.
It's a stbox Escort with a naff turbo conversion by Ford. It wasn't worth the money when it was new, let alone now. It's not £60k's worth of driving experience is it? Never will be. A vintage 911- given everything i've read -what is famed is the purity of driving experience which isn't something you can easily buy today. Never driven one to be sure to be honest to have an opinion.
I have driven an Escort RS turbo and it was about as close to a performance car as a Daewoo Matiz. It was a boy racer car with all show and little go. Engine suffered from lag, and when it was on boost it felt like it had the car equivalent of asthma. It torque steered like a cow on roller skates too. I couldnt find anything about it that seemed good, let alone great or worthy. Embarrassing for me as i drove it at a Fast Ford event which i was attending with a mate.
Law's of economics are tied to scarcity - absolutely- i understand that. Not all scarce things are valuable though. Would you pay £10 for a white dog turd which you just don't see these days?
Put it this way, would you rather spend £60k on that classic Ford Escort RS Turbo, or £60k on a classic/modern Porker of your choosing? Was/Is the RS Turbo really desirable? Other than to the muppet that spent £60k on one this weekend? £6k perhaps but not £60k?
It's value is what someone is prepared to pay, but i'd have to suggest that someone got a large dose of auction frenzy. I hope they are happy. I hope they didn't buy it thinking it would be a four wheeled investment. Because if/when this classic car market crashes, that car is going to be worth f**k all. Getting £60k's worth of enjoyment out of the Escort would take a lifetime.
The vintage 911? Suspect that wouldn't fall anywhere near as far.
Nothing to do with driveability, everything to do with desirability. Any 911, of any vintage, or a boxster for that matter, has some intrinsic value, engineering and pedigree. Not to mention performance.
It's a stbox Escort with a naff turbo conversion by Ford. It wasn't worth the money when it was new, let alone now. It's not £60k's worth of driving experience is it? Never will be. A vintage 911- given everything i've read -what is famed is the purity of driving experience which isn't something you can easily buy today. Never driven one to be sure to be honest to have an opinion.
I have driven an Escort RS turbo and it was about as close to a performance car as a Daewoo Matiz. It was a boy racer car with all show and little go. Engine suffered from lag, and when it was on boost it felt like it had the car equivalent of asthma. It torque steered like a cow on roller skates too. I couldnt find anything about it that seemed good, let alone great or worthy. Embarrassing for me as i drove it at a Fast Ford event which i was attending with a mate.
Law's of economics are tied to scarcity - absolutely- i understand that. Not all scarce things are valuable though. Would you pay £10 for a white dog turd which you just don't see these days?
Put it this way, would you rather spend £60k on that classic Ford Escort RS Turbo, or £60k on a classic/modern Porker of your choosing? Was/Is the RS Turbo really desirable? Other than to the muppet that spent £60k on one this weekend? £6k perhaps but not £60k?
It's value is what someone is prepared to pay, but i'd have to suggest that someone got a large dose of auction frenzy. I hope they are happy. I hope they didn't buy it thinking it would be a four wheeled investment. Because if/when this classic car market crashes, that car is going to be worth f**k all. Getting £60k's worth of enjoyment out of the Escort would take a lifetime.
The vintage 911? Suspect that wouldn't fall anywhere near as far.
RST's were desirable new, and are desirable now. As were 911's. But the Escort was attainable. Many purchased them in period, others wished they could. The market for the best cars is a broad church of either group, who now seek to relive their youth or reward their hard work by buying something "new" they couldn't afford at the time. An "I've made it!" moment for those with the means. The fact they don't drive particularly well is irrelevant- it will probably never be driven anyway.
I'm sure the new owner is delighted. It seems to make no financial sense at £60k so can only assume he/she wanted the best and nothing else, and bks to the fact that it will never be bandied around in Octane magazine as a "good investment" or a "safe place to put your money". For that very part alone, I applaud.
olly755 said:
sly fox said:
But you are not using the same logic.
Any 911, of any vintage, or a boxster for that matter, has some intrinsic value, engineering and pedigree. Not to mention performance.
It's a stbox Escort with a naff turbo conversion by Ford. It wasn't worth the money when it was new, let alone now. It's not £60k's worth of driving experience is it? Never will be. A vintage 911- given everything i've read -what is famed is the purity of driving experience which isn't something you can easily buy today. Never driven one to be sure to be honest to have an opinion.
I have driven an Escort RS turbo and it was about as close to a performance car as a Daewoo Matiz. It was a boy racer car with all show and little go. Engine suffered from lag, and when it was on boost it felt like it had the car equivalent of asthma. It torque steered like a cow on roller skates too. I couldnt find anything about it that seemed good, let alone great or worthy. Embarrassing for me as i drove it at a Fast Ford event which i was attending with a mate.
Law's of economics are tied to scarcity - absolutely- i understand that. Not all scarce things are valuable though. Would you pay £10 for a white dog turd which you just don't see these days?
Put it this way, would you rather spend £60k on that classic Ford Escort RS Turbo, or £60k on a classic/modern Porker of your choosing? Was/Is the RS Turbo really desirable? Other than to the muppet that spent £60k on one this weekend? £6k perhaps but not £60k?
It's value is what someone is prepared to pay, but i'd have to suggest that someone got a large dose of auction frenzy. I hope they are happy. I hope they didn't buy it thinking it would be a four wheeled investment. Because if/when this classic car market crashes, that car is going to be worth f**k all. Getting £60k's worth of enjoyment out of the Escort would take a lifetime.
The vintage 911? Suspect that wouldn't fall anywhere near as far.
Nothing to do with driveability, everything to do with desirability. Any 911, of any vintage, or a boxster for that matter, has some intrinsic value, engineering and pedigree. Not to mention performance.
It's a stbox Escort with a naff turbo conversion by Ford. It wasn't worth the money when it was new, let alone now. It's not £60k's worth of driving experience is it? Never will be. A vintage 911- given everything i've read -what is famed is the purity of driving experience which isn't something you can easily buy today. Never driven one to be sure to be honest to have an opinion.
I have driven an Escort RS turbo and it was about as close to a performance car as a Daewoo Matiz. It was a boy racer car with all show and little go. Engine suffered from lag, and when it was on boost it felt like it had the car equivalent of asthma. It torque steered like a cow on roller skates too. I couldnt find anything about it that seemed good, let alone great or worthy. Embarrassing for me as i drove it at a Fast Ford event which i was attending with a mate.
Law's of economics are tied to scarcity - absolutely- i understand that. Not all scarce things are valuable though. Would you pay £10 for a white dog turd which you just don't see these days?
Put it this way, would you rather spend £60k on that classic Ford Escort RS Turbo, or £60k on a classic/modern Porker of your choosing? Was/Is the RS Turbo really desirable? Other than to the muppet that spent £60k on one this weekend? £6k perhaps but not £60k?
It's value is what someone is prepared to pay, but i'd have to suggest that someone got a large dose of auction frenzy. I hope they are happy. I hope they didn't buy it thinking it would be a four wheeled investment. Because if/when this classic car market crashes, that car is going to be worth f**k all. Getting £60k's worth of enjoyment out of the Escort would take a lifetime.
The vintage 911? Suspect that wouldn't fall anywhere near as far.
RST's were desirable new, and are desirable now. As were 911's. But the Escort was attainable. Many purchased them in period, others wished they could. The market for the best cars is a broad church of either group, who now seek to relive their youth or reward their hard work by buying something "new" they couldn't afford at the time. An "I've made it!" moment for those with the means. The fact they don't drive particularly well is irrelevant- it will probably never be driven anyway.
I'm sure the new owner is delighted. It seems to make no financial sense at £60k so can only assume he/she wanted the best and nothing else, and bks to the fact that it will never be bandied around in Octane magazine as a "good investment" or a "safe place to put your money". For that very part alone, I applaud.
It doesn't have to be great to drive - a bit like those multimillion Miuras, gorgeous to look at but reportedly a bit of a disappointment to steer according to some in the know, it'll be in a collection
This looks like a bit of fun (if you don't want to go round corners!)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sierra-Mk1-3-Door-6...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sierra-Mk1-3-Door-6...
JZZ30 said:
This looks like a bit of fun (if you don't want to go round corners!)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sierra-Mk1-3-Door-6...
That may be the best thing ever.http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Sierra-Mk1-3-Door-6...
Some 1970s brown loveliness. I can't post pics from work, so I'd be grateful if someone could add them, but pic 5 almost matches the house.
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C675048
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C675048
What's the thread verdict on these 2.5 Boxsters?
Reading various forums the 2.7 and 3.2 engines seem to liberally spread their insides down the road in a fashion to match more modern porsches. Minimal research suggests that the 2.5 is slightly stronger.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Reading various forums the 2.7 and 3.2 engines seem to liberally spread their insides down the road in a fashion to match more modern porsches. Minimal research suggests that the 2.5 is slightly stronger.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
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